"Protester" Misconduct Catch All Thread

[Derec]

Thread inspired by the police misconduct thread. Which has lately degenerated into complaining about the Weimar Republic and about suspects being released on bail. But I digress.

Let me start with this: an armed suspect gets shot in Omaha, leading to riots.

Fatal shooting of a man by Omaha police sparks protest outside police headquarters

Police said Friday in a press release that Jones reached for a gun that he had in his waistband before he was shot.
Peyton Zyla, a ProBLAC organizer, said that “until (police) prove that they didn’t murder a Black man, we’re not shutting up — not one bit.”

Guilty until proven innocent?

The protest began about 6 p.m., and as the evening continued, tensions escalated.
Scanner traffic indicated that something was thrown, prompting police to declare the protest an unlawful assembly at 9 p.m. At its height, the crowd numbered about 60 people. The crowd dispersed just before 10 p.m.
Police arrested one woman on suspicion of destruction of property and disorderly conduct and a man on suspicion of third degree assault on an officer and carrying a concealed weapon, according to the Omaha Police Department. Police said officers cited two people on suspicion of disorderly conduct and another on suspicion of obstructing an officer.

Waiting for the usual suspects on here to try to explain how assaulting police officers and destruction of property are justified ...

What led to the shooting, you might ask?

The backseat passenger, later identified as Jones, can be seen moving around as the officers walked toward the car. The officers yelled three times for everyone to put up their hands.
Police said that four people were in the car and that everyone except Jones complied by putting their hands outside the car windows.
The officer who was on the car’s driver’s side tried to open Jones’ door several times while yelling at him to “open the door!” The officer then used his flashlight to break the car window to get the door open. The officer then yelled to Jones to “get out of the car!”
[...]
The cruiser camera shows the officers struggling to get Jones out of the vehicle. Once Jones was out, an officer can be heard saying, “Keep your hands where I can see them!” The officer then says, “Watch his right hand! He’s digging! He’s digging! He’s got a gun! He’s got a gun!”
The officer yelled: “Gun! Gun! Gun!”
Moments later, an officer fired four shots. Police said Jones fell to the ground and continued moving as the officers yelled for him to “show his hands.”
[...]
A Springfield .45-caliber handgun, with a round in the chamber, was found on the ground underneath Jones.

Seems like an open and shut case of a justified shooting. Doesn't warrant any protesting, much less rioting.

What do we know about the dead guy?

Jones was released from the Nebraska Department of Corrections in 2018 after serving time for being a felon in possession of a deadly weapon, police said.

Uh-huh.

And kudos to Omaha World Herald for actually using a mug shot. Most news media these days will ignore mug shots (of dead black suspects at least) and use family provided photos, preferably with small children, instead.

 

[Derec]

For the sophomore entry, let's go to the perennial hotspot for rioting and wanton vandalism: Portlandia.

City leaders, neighbors decry vandalism to Portland businesses

Portland Mayor Ted Wheeler released a statement Saturday denouncing the the widespread vandalism that took place the night before in multiple areas of the city.
While one group was reported to have caused damage to spots downtown, a group of about 50 people gathered at NE Halsey Street and NE 52nd Avenue before beginning a long streak of vandalism up and down NE Sandy Boulevard.
The Portland Police Bureau said 27 businesses or work spaces were damaged along Sandy.

Ted Wheeler made a critical mistake to not go after these rioters back in the Summer. Appeasing them did not work. It just emboldened them, and now they are making Portland into something resembling Mad Max.

But what is their excuse to riot this time? Apparently it had to do with some transgender person committing suicide, and the rioters thinking it must have been murder without any evidence of foul play.
Crews clean up damage after protest in NE Portland’s Hollywood District

Demonstrators also spray-painted several names and messages on windows and buildings, including the words “Black trans lives matter” and the name of Tete Gulley, a Black trans woman. Friday was Transgender Day of Remembrance, which honors and memorializes trans people who were killed or who have died by suicide.
Gulley was found dead in Rocky Butte Park last year. The medical examiner’s office initially ruled her death a suicide, but police later opened an investigation after multiple requests from her family, who don’t believe she committed suicide.
The Hollywood Theatre on Sandy was spray-painted with Gulley’s name. In a statement Saturday on social media accompanied by a photo of the building, the theater said, “Don’t be upset by graffiti; be angered by injustice.” Letters in the theater’s marquee spelled out the words, “Black Lives Matter.”

Why is it that left-wing radicals think only white, straight cis-men ever commit suicide?

 

[Gospel]

Ok so the police pulled over someone for a Traffic violation and an occupant of the car felt the need to shoot them thus warranting the police yelling stop reaching as they approached the car for the traffic stop. yup, it clicks all the right buttons.

 

[Derec]

Ok so the police pulled over someone for a Traffic violation and an occupant of the car felt the need to shoot them thus warranting the police yelling stop reaching as they approached the car for the traffic stop. yup, it clicks all the right buttons.

He had an illegal gun, being a felon in the possession of a .45. That made him squirrely, thus suspicious, thus non-compliant, thus trying to shoot it out. I don't see the scenario as being implausible.

 

[Gospel]

Yeah, I'm sure his "squirrely" behavior had nothing to do with wanting to hide the gun. And it was a traffic stop so, yelling everyone show me your hands for a traffic stop is legit.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Just because they are protesting something that wasn't wrong doesn't really make it protester misconduct.

 

[Derec]

Just because they are protesting something that wasn't wrong doesn't really make it protester misconduct.

It does when they throw stuff at/assault police and destroy property, as was mentioned in the article I quoted from.

 

[GenesisNemesis]

Thread inspired by the police misconduct thread. Which has lately degenerated into complaining about the Weimar Republic...

Probably because people like you complain incessantly whenever people disobey police.

 

[laughing dog]

The usual suspects cannot comprehend why anyone would not automatically
accept the police version of events, and conclude the alleged civilian culprits or victims deserved their fate.

 

[Patooka]

Does it really need to be explained why police should be held to a higher standard than protesters?

 

[Keith&Co.]

Does it really need to be explained why police should be held to a higher standard than protesters?

Or higher than soldiers in a warzone?

 

[Patooka]

Does it really need to be explained why police should be held to a higher standard than protesters?

Or higher than soldiers in a warzone?

Baby steps.

 

[Elixir]

Looks like that as of today, Police misconduct is winning over Protester misconduct 331 to 12 (including this post).
And four of the twelve are from Derec,

 

[Loren Pechtel]

The usual suspects cannot comprehend why anyone would not automatically
accept the police version of events, and conclude the alleged civilian culprits or victims deserved their fate.

The problem is they don't wait to find out one way or the other, they just assume it's wrongful. The more they do it the less credibility they have.

 

[Angry Floof]

The usual suspects cannot comprehend why anyone would not automatically
accept the police version of events, and conclude the alleged civilian culprits or victims deserved their fate.

The problem is they don't wait to find out one way or the other, they just assume it's wrongful. The more they do it the less credibility they have.

No, we assume cops act according to cop culture. There are exceptions, but they all "fit the description." They've dehumanized anyone who's not a cop, other than maybe rich people and conservative politicians. Sure, there are some cops who don't view citizens as vermin, but they are irrelevant to the problem.

We demand that the people with the power and the weapons to brutalize almost anyone, and who do so on a regular basis, especially now and over the last four years as their authority figure has given them permission from the highest office in the land, be held to the strictest and highest standards possible. In this country, we hold poor and powerless people accountable at the level we should be holding police and politicians and corporations accountable. We've got it backwards, and those of us who do not lick boots will continue to scrutinize every even mildly violent thing cops do until they are held accountable to a degree befitting the power they hold and the trust the public needs to have in them.

Everyone makes assumptions with every case we hear about. The only difference is your assumptions fall on the wrong side of history.

 

[laughing dog]

The usual suspects cannot comprehend why anyone would not automatically
accept the police version of events, and conclude the alleged civilian culprits or victims deserved their fate.

The problem is they don't wait to find out one way or the other, they just assume it's wrongful.

True. But how is the substantially different from those who automatically take the police's version of events as gospel?

 

[Angry Floof]

The usual suspects cannot comprehend why anyone would not automatically
accept the police version of events, and conclude the alleged civilian culprits or victims deserved their fate.

The problem is they don't wait to find out one way or the other, they just assume it's wrongful.

True. But how is the substantially different from those who automatically take the police's version of events as gospel?

As I said, the only difference is some of us err on the side of people who do not have badges or the state backing them up.

 

[Valjean]

Jones doesn't sound like actual protester. It was a traffic stop.

 

[Derec]

Looks like that as of today, Police misconduct is winning over Protester misconduct 331 to 12 (including this post).
And four of the twelve are from Derec,

The police one has been going for months.
It's not a post count contest in any case.

 

[Derec]

As I said, the only difference is some of us err on the side of people who do not have badges or the state backing them up.

No, you err on the side of felons armed with illegal .45s. And you do a lot of erring too!