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President-elect Joe Biden's Cabinet and Staff Nominees

So now that a democrat is president, qualifications matter?

If they're women or of minority race.
Quite the opposite. If they are a white or Asian man, they must have actual qualifications. If they are woman and/or a PC minority, that in itself is seen as the best qualification for identitarians like you.

I definitely think qualified cabinet picks are preferable, regardless of demographic factors. Your problem is that you believe all women are unqualified to lead, therefore every female appointment is proof that your imaginary enemies do not value qualifications.

If Deb Haaland were a white male Republican, you wouldn't be questioning her qualifications; a successful businessperson, lobbyist, and an experienced politician of one of the biggest oil-and-gas states in the Union? You'd be all over him. She's a textbook Trump appointee aside from her political party and race (also a degree in a relevant field, but Trump might be willing to overlook that in a pinch).
 
Biden to Pick Latino Chief of Connecticut Schools as Education Secretary - The New York Times - "Dr. Miguel A. Cardona will fulfill Mr. Biden’s promise to appoint a diverse cabinet with an education secretary with public school experience."

"Diverse cabinet" == identity politics matters most.

I fear this new guy will reverse one of the few great ideas of the Trump presidency - giving accused male college students more rights in campus sexual misconduct tribunals. The rules adopted by Obama/Biden made the burden of proof very low and furthermore greatly restricted the ability of male students to defend themselves. It resulted in many false positives, students being expelled even when they did nothing wrong. For example, two students have consensual sex. Both have been drinking. Male student gets expelled because the female was drunk, but the female student doesn't even though the male was drunk too. DeVos fixed some of that sexist lopsidedness of the policy and this Cardona guy would be a fool to reverse it.
 
Biden to Pick Latino Chief of Connecticut Schools as Education Secretary - The New York Times - "Dr. Miguel A. Cardona will fulfill Mr. Biden’s promise to appoint a diverse cabinet with an education secretary with public school experience."

"Diverse cabinet" == identity politics matters most.

I fear this new guy will reverse one of the few great ideas of the Trump presidency - giving accused male college students more rights in campus sexual misconduct tribunals. The rules adopted by Obama/Biden made the burden of proof very low and furthermore greatly restricted the ability of male students to defend themselves. It resulted in many false positives, students being expelled even when they did nothing wrong. For example, two students have consensual sex. Both have been drinking. Male student gets expelled because the female was drunk, but the female student doesn't even though the male was drunk too. DeVos fixed some of that sexist lopsidedness of the policy and this Cardona guy would be a fool to reverse it.

Diverse cabinet = cabinet that reflects the diversity of the American population.

Guess what? In modern times, one does not have to be white and male in order to go to college, earn a good degree, hold a position of power.
 
I definitely think qualified cabinet picks are preferable, regardless of demographic factors.
But you just think demographics should matter more?

Your problem is that you believe all women are unqualified to lead, therefore every female appointment is proof that your imaginary enemies do not value qualifications.

Bullshit. I think for example Obama's Secretary of the Interior, Sally Jewell, was eminently qualified for the position. She is a mechanical engineer and has worked on pipeline projects for Mobil.

She's a textbook Trump appointee aside from her political party and race

And that's problem. Biden should not set Trump as his bar. But even with Trump his first Interior Secretary had a geology degree.

Deb Haaland is just a political hack. And an extremist one at that. She is in favor of abolishing ICE for example. More relevant to her new job, she participated in the anti-pipeline protests in North Dakota in 2016. She has shown animus toward the very industry she will play a big role regulating and the American working people who need affordable oil and gas will suffer. Putin will laugh all the way to the bank as an increase in oil and gas prices only benefits Mother Russia.
 
Diverse cabinet = cabinet that reflects the diversity of the American population.
It seems that so-called "diversity" (Newspeak for 'as few white men as possible') is seen as the most important criterion.

Guess what? In modern times, one does not have to be white and male in order to go to college, earn a good degree, hold a position of power.
Nobody doubts that. In fact, thanks to affirmative action going to college is much, much easier if you are not white or male.

The problem becomes when being white (except if you or your ancestors speak Spanish as a native language but don't come from actual Spain) or male is a detriment to being picked to a cabinet position because you do not have any "diversity points".
 
But you just think demographics should matter more?



Bullshit. I think for example Obama's Secretary of the Interior, Sally Jewell, was eminently qualified for the position. She is a mechanical engineer and has worked on pipeline projects for Mobil.

She's a textbook Trump appointee aside from her political party and race

And that's problem. Biden should not set Trump as his bar. But even with Trump his first Interior Secretary had a geology degree.

Deb Haaland is just a political hack. And an extremist one at that. She is in favor of abolishing ICE for example. More relevant to her new job, she participated in the anti-pipeline protests in North Dakota in 2016. She has shown animus toward the very industry she will play a big role regulating and the American working people who need affordable oil and gas will suffer. Putin will laugh all the way to the bank as an increase in oil and gas prices only benefits Mother Russia.

Hold on here. It's not like Haaland is a DeVos or a DeJoy.

Everyone needs affordable energy. It's time to move past gas and oil as our primary sources of energy. Putin could hardly be happier than he has been the past 4 years. Indeed it will take a generation to reverse the harms done by Trump.
 
Biden to Pick Latino Chief of Connecticut Schools as Education Secretary - The New York Times - "Dr. Miguel A. Cardona will fulfill Mr. Biden’s promise to appoint a diverse cabinet with an education secretary with public school experience."

"Diverse cabinet" == identity politics matters most.
If it isn't white male... it must be politics! Identity inertia. Is it crazy that some people that aren't white wouldn't mind seeing leadership that sometimes reflects their own identity?

I fear this new guy will reverse one of the few great ideas of the Trump presidency - giving accused male college students more rights in campus sexual misconduct tribunals.
Jebus! We have Americans getting screwed on loan forgiveness programs they had entered into, trading a portion of career for particular jobs and then being told the paperwork was wrong, you owe us everything, we have a colossal mountain of college debt... and you just keep going to Incel shit.
 
If it isn't white male... it must be politics! Identity inertia. Is it crazy that some people that aren't white wouldn't mind seeing leadership that sometimes reflects their own identity?

I fear this new guy will reverse one of the few great ideas of the Trump presidency - giving accused male college students more rights in campus sexual misconduct tribunals.
Jebus! We have Americans getting screwed on loan forgiveness programs they had entered into, trading a portion of career for particular jobs and then being told the paperwork was wrong, you owe us everything, we have a colossal mountain of college debt... and you just keep going to Incel shit.

Rapists are people too, y'know. Especially white male ones.

But to the point - diversity isn't an identity. Nobody self identifies as "diverse". Forms that ask about race don't even have a "diverse" box to check.
Ergo, it's not "identity politics", it's simply an effort to diversify in order to make representative government more ... uh, representative.
 
Biden to Pick Latino Chief of Connecticut Schools as Education Secretary - The New York Times - "Dr. Miguel A. Cardona will fulfill Mr. Biden’s promise to appoint a diverse cabinet with an education secretary with public school experience."

"Diverse cabinet" == identity politics matters most.

I fear this new guy will reverse one of the few great ideas of the Trump presidency - giving accused male college students more rights in campus sexual misconduct tribunals. The rules adopted by Obama/Biden made the burden of proof very low and furthermore greatly restricted the ability of male students to defend themselves. It resulted in many false positives, students being expelled even when they did nothing wrong. For example, two students have consensual sex. Both have been drinking. Male student gets expelled because the female was drunk, but the female student doesn't even though the male was drunk too. DeVos fixed some of that sexist lopsidedness of the policy and this Cardona guy would be a fool to reverse it.

Diverse cabinet = cabinet that reflects the diversity of the American population.

Guess what? In modern times, one does not have to be white and male in order to go to college, earn a good degree, hold a position of power.

Ah, that’s not what Derec was pointing at.
 
If it isn't white male... it must be politics! Identity inertia. Is it crazy that some people that aren't white wouldn't mind seeing leadership that sometimes reflects their own identity?

I fear this new guy will reverse one of the few great ideas of the Trump presidency - giving accused male college students more rights in campus sexual misconduct tribunals.
Jebus! We have Americans getting screwed on loan forgiveness programs they had entered into, trading a portion of career for particular jobs and then being told the paperwork was wrong, you owe us everything, we have a colossal mountain of college debt... and you just keep going to Incel shit.

The left used to champion due process, now they hate it.
 
The left used to champion due process, now they hate it.

Maybe their opinion about what processes are due whom and when, is different from yours.
Kinda like how they see having meetings to plot the overthrow of a democratically elected President is not a "due process" whereas Mark Meadows and the Qaren lady think it is.
 
But you just think demographics should matter more?
Of course not. And neither does anyone else, or more Democratic appointments would be women and persons of color. Not old men from good families in the Northeast, as is more often the case.

Bullshit. I think for example Obama's Secretary of the Interior, Sally Jewell, was eminently qualified for the position. She is a mechanical engineer and has worked on pipeline projects for Mobil.
Ah, so as long as they are kneepdeep in the oil industry, they're qualified to run the DOI.

Tell me, how was Jewell in any way qualified to deal with the legal and diplomatic elements of her role? What about the ecological and land management aspects? Remember, the Keystone XL pipeline protests were the result of her ignorance and mismanagement of Native affairs. The DOI is a labyrinthine, poorly defined department, and running it effectively is probably beyond the direct experience of any one person, unless they just happen to be a quadruple major forester, petrologist, diplomat, and legal scholar with work experience in five different specialized industries. But I definitely disagree that being in bed with the oil industry should be the only necessary "qualification".

Deb Haaland is just a political hack. And an extremist one at that. She is in favor of abolishing ICE for example. More relevant to her new job, she participated in the anti-pipeline protests in North Dakota in 2016.
Which were the result of DOI mismanagement, so, good. She should be advocating to do a better job next time.

She has shown animus toward the very industry she will play a big role regulating and the American working people who need affordable oil and gas will suffer.
This is a dumb claim easily researched, she's shown no such animus. New Mexico's oil and gas have been doing just fine these past eight years, indeed, exploitation of the Permian basin is exploding. I presume you object to her support for regulating that industry. But that is the job of the Secretary of the Interior. So your problem isn't really with her qualifications, is it? Being compromised by your personal investments in an industry isn't a qualification in the normal sense of that term. Your problem is that you want a partisan hack who will look the other way no matter what the industry does, and that obviously isn't Haaland.
 
Of course not. And neither does anyone else, or more Democratic appointments would be women and persons of color.

Obviously they do, or the Deb Haaland announcement would not have focused that much on her Indian identity.

Not old men from good families in the Northeast, as is more often the case.

As always, you are completely off base. There is exactly one cabinet level designate that fits that description - John Kerry. And even among those of any age, gender or geographic origin, whites are in the minority despite being a majority of the population. This is in no way a cabinet that reflects the demographics of America. And you want even fewer white people - I guess you far leftists identity politics freaks will not be happy until no cabinet pick is a white man.

Ah, so as long as they are kneepdeep in the oil industry, they're qualified to run the DOI.

You don't have to be kneepdeep[sic] in the oil industry, but it surely helps to understand the nature of the issues involved. Deb Haaland has no clue for example.

Tell me, how was Jewell in any way qualified to deal with the legal and diplomatic elements of her role?
She had lawyers on her team. It is important for the department leader to understand the meat of the matter, the big picture - the legal minutiae can be hashed out by lawyers on staff.

What about the ecological and land management aspects?
I think she had a good understanding of it. DAPL is a sound project on both ecological and land management grounds.

Remember, the Keystone XL pipeline protests were the result of her ignorance and mismanagement of Native affairs.
First of all, it was DAPL that led to months long protests (often turning violent) and not KXL.
Second, no amount of diplomacy would have prevented the anti-DAPL protests. The tribe was dead set against it despite the DAPL company being very forthcoming with consultations and making adjustments to the project. And then there are the 1000s of eco-extremists who descended to the site, many from as far away as Queens or Hawaii, burning many tons of oil in the process.
It was either capitulate to them or push forward with the project and damn the torpedoes thrown by "peaceful and prayerful" protesters.

You were not here then, but DAPL was discussed at length here at the time.
Why are so-called "progressives" and "liberals" so deferential to religious nonsense by Indians?
Dakota Access Pipeline Route Denied Near Standing Rock
Basically, the claims by the tribe and the protesters were scientifically and bogus. And the protesters were highly counterproductive.

The DOI is a labyrinthine, poorly defined department, and running it effectively is probably beyond the direct experience of any one person, unless they just happen to be a quadruple major forester, petrologist, diplomat, and legal scholar with work experience in five different specialized industries. But I definitely disagree that being in bed with the oil industry should be the only necessary "qualification".
It is certainly a far better qualification than being an English major.
Besides, having a preexisting animus against the industries it will be under her purview to regulate is a detriment for a department head.

Which were the result of DOI mismanagement, so, good. She should be advocating to do a better job next time.

No, the protests were a result of misinformation promulgated by the tribe and the anti-oil activists. Nothing but capitulating and cancelling the project would have prevented the protests.

This is a dumb claim easily researched, she's shown no such animus. New Mexico's oil and gas have been doing just fine these past eight years,
How does that show that Deb Haaland has no animus toward the oil industry? She is not, and never has been, a member of the New Mexico state government. She had run for Lt. Gov. but lost.
But she does support AOC's GND which is hostile to fossil fuels even as necessary transition to low carbon future.
New Mexico oil and gas industry condemns Deb Haaland nomination as secretary of interior

I hope the Senate does not confirm her. Even if Ossoff and Warnock win, there is still Joe Manchin.

indeed, exploitation of the Permian basin is exploding. I presume you object to her support for regulating that industry. But that is the job of the Secretary of the Interior.

No, regulation is necessary. I suspect she will automatically kibosh any fossil fuel related project though. She may even try to shut down DAPL, as activists have demanded.

So your problem isn't really with her qualifications, is it?
Both her lack of qualifications and her radical positions.

Being compromised by your personal investments in an industry isn't a qualification in the normal sense of that term. Your problem is that you want a partisan hack who will look the other way no matter what the industry does, and that obviously isn't Haaland.

Wrong. I want somebody who is not a political hack who will automatically be against the energy industry because of political ideology.
 
American "conservatives" in the wild are, almost without exception, imbeciles and/or hypocrites. Engaging one in a conversation on a political topic is like trying to teach a pigeon how to play chess. Intelligent conservatives who are sincere and good-spirited are rarer than four-leaf clovers.

But here at TFT we are fortunate to have sterling conservative intellects, eager to engage in intelligible debate:

Lavrentiy Beria, is that you?

Trausti, Would you be so compassionate as to start a thread "Learn from the intelligent conservative"? It would be refreshing and enlightening to hear your views on Trump and other pressing topics, expressed in the form of whole paragraphs.

Or are snide but cutesy one-liners all you got?
 
The Department of Interior has lots of areas of responsibility of which oil and gas is but one. Name me a nominated Secretary of the Interior in the past 30 years who could not be viewed as having sort of bias against one area of responsibility of the Department of the Interior. The fact that a special interest whines about a nominee is no reason to automatically be against the nominee unless one is aligned with that special interest.
 
American "conservatives" in the wild are, almost without exception, imbeciles and/or hypocrites. Engaging one in a conversation on a political topic is like trying to teach a pigeon how to play chess. Intelligent conservatives who are sincere and good-spirited are rarer than four-leaf clovers.

But here at TFT we are fortunate to have sterling conservative intellects, eager to engage in intelligible debate:

Lavrentiy Beria, is that you?

Trausti, Would you be so compassionate as to start a thread "Learn from the intelligent conservative"? It would be refreshing and enlightening to hear your views on Trump and other pressing topics, expressed in the form of whole paragraphs.

Or are snide but cutesy one-liners all you got?

If you don't understand referencing Beria when Elixir downplays the importance of due process, then I got nothing for ya.
 
American "conservatives" in the wild are, almost without exception, imbeciles and/or hypocrites. Engaging one in a conversation on a political topic is like trying to teach a pigeon how to play chess. Intelligent conservatives who are sincere and good-spirited are rarer than four-leaf clovers.

But here at TFT we are fortunate to have sterling conservative intellects, eager to engage in intelligible debate:

Lavrentiy Beria, is that you?

Trausti, Would you be so compassionate as to start a thread "Learn from the intelligent conservative"? It would be refreshing and enlightening to hear your views on Trump and other pressing topics, expressed in the form of whole paragraphs.

Or are snide but cutesy one-liners all you got?

If you don't understand referencing Beria when Elixir downplays the importance of due process, then I got nothing for ya.
How is that different than any other time?
 
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