You still have to explain why he was walking around a few minutes earlier, then died suddenly. Why did he go downhill so suddenly??
-
Features
How can Derek Chauvin expect a fair trial in Minneapolis?
- Thread starter Derec
- Start date
You still have to explain why he was walking around a few minutes earlier, then died suddenly. Why did he go downhill so suddenly??
As I've said before the jury sees the whole thing, not just what the tidbits are sensational enough for the media.
The jury saw the whole Rodney King video, not just the little bit that was on the TV.
Shadowy Man
Contributor
According to the right wingers he would have died in the back of the police car anyway.
- Joined
- Oct 22, 2002
- Messages
- 46,991
- Location
- Frozen in Michigan
- Gender
- Old Fart
- Basic Beliefs
- Don't be a dick.
Toni
Contributor
- Joined
- Aug 10, 2011
- Messages
- 22,745
- Basic Beliefs
- Peace on Earth, goodwill towards all
With Chauvin one of the officers, they are probably right. Floyd would have died in the back of Chauvin's police car. More or less.
Derec
Contributor
Kind of like what everybody is doing with Chauvin?
DrZoidberg
Contributor
Meh. Good qualities in a cop? Aren't they all scumbags? I'm not against cops as an institution. I just question whether the job attracts any good people. As far as I'm concerned cops and criminals are the same kind of people. The institution is a way of harnessing some destructive elements in society so that they become a force for good, and to use them as a weapon against other destructive people. But I have no illusions about what kinds of people become cops. Everything I've seen about cops in action, including cops who are my friends, isn't impressive. Not when it comes to morality. They all seem utterly corrupt.
I suspect that, being able to cope with the stresses of the job demands psychological trickery. If a cop would humanize criminals I doubt they'd have the mental strength to do their jobs. I think they have to see criminals as a lower form of life that allows them to commit acts of violence against them, and then be able to sleep at night. This will of course lead to godawful behaviours on their part. Which is exactly what we see from cops.
Frank Herbert of Dune fame said it best. "power attracts the corruptible". And becoming a cop is the easiest way to get power in society.
The best we can do is keep cops on a very short leash and smack them when they misbehave. But we're not doing ourselves any favours by ascribing cops qualities that no cop has ever had.
Of course Chauvin is a terrible person. He's a cop.
southernhybrid
Contributor
I have no idea if Chauvin has better qualities. The problem is that the right wing as well as at least one or two posters here, are trying to make it look like Floyd is the one on trial here, instead of Chauvin. Floyd never murdered anyone. He did commit at least one crime in the past, which he was convicted of, and served 5 years in prison. The last time I checked, passing a counterfeit 20 dollar bill isn't worthy of the death sentence.
Gospel
Contributor
- Joined
- Oct 22, 2007
- Messages
- 7,738
- Location
- Florida
- Gender
- Ghetto Black Male
- Basic Beliefs
- Agnostic Atheist
Hi Loren,
Can you explain how basically a whole academy of officers couldn't subdue one man?
[YOUTUBE]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sb1WywIpUtY&ab_channel=multishowtvweb[/YOUTUBE]
Can you even count how many are there? I have no idea what video footage the Jury saw, but in this one, I see way more than enough officers to handle one unarmed man. Yet they decide to just continually beat him instead. Just look t Rodney, he's in no shape after getting struck 40 times to take on over ten officers. I mean really? WTF video are YOU talking about?
Edit: Posted wrong video
Can you explain how basically a whole academy of officers couldn't subdue one man?
[YOUTUBE]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sb1WywIpUtY&ab_channel=multishowtvweb[/YOUTUBE]
Can you even count how many are there? I have no idea what video footage the Jury saw, but in this one, I see way more than enough officers to handle one unarmed man. Yet they decide to just continually beat him instead. Just look t Rodney, he's in no shape after getting struck 40 times to take on over ten officers. I mean really? WTF video are YOU talking about?
Edit: Posted wrong video
Please enlighten me what sort of "better qualities" someone should have after they kill someone. Would Chauvin's history of excessive force count?
Jarhyn
Wizard
- Joined
- Mar 29, 2010
- Messages
- 17,370
- Gender
- Androgyne; they/them
- Basic Beliefs
- Natural Philosophy, Game Theoretic Ethicist
He's certainly not counting the history of being overly aggressive as a bouncer, or of disagreeing with Floyd about the use of force.
I'd be curious to know about the demographics of Chauvin's use of force at the bar, too...
Gospel
Contributor
- Joined
- Oct 22, 2007
- Messages
- 7,738
- Location
- Florida
- Gender
- Ghetto Black Male
- Basic Beliefs
- Agnostic Atheist
They're being coy. They only care about witness testimony when it's about George Floyd and how shit of a person he was. They could give a rat's ass about any other testimony. They just aren't brave enough to speak their minds.
Note the pattern: He stays still, they stop hitting. He tries to move, they hit.
And there are enough officers there to dogpile him--but note that that isn't exactly the safest thing for the person being dogpiled. There is no good answer to people who continue to resist arrest.
DrZoidberg
Contributor
On drugs! The drugs are important. People who are high can keep fighting even when doing so is dangerous to their own health. It just requires more force and much more focus
Don2 (Don1 Revised)
Contributor
When I look at that I see a bunch of cowardly weaklings. FFS, just get in there and cuff him.
Derec
Contributor
You are simply wrong. It is foregone conclusion that Chauvin will be convicted, and probably of Murder 2.
Who are you talking about?
LoAmmo
Member
Well, Dr. Martin Tobin, who, like our own Derec, is also a renowned pulmonary critical care doctor, says that Floyd's preexisting health conditions and drug use were not relevant to his death.
"A healthy person subjected to what Mr. Floyd was subjected to would have died," he said.
He identified four main reasons why Floyd died: the handcuffs and the street acting as a "vise;" Chauvin's left knee on his neck; Floyd's prone position; and Chauvin's right knee on Floyd's back, arm and side. Combined, these limited Floyd's ability to expand his lungs and narrowed his hypopharynx, a part of the throat that air passes through.
But, what the fuck does he know. Expect continued hand-waving and doubling, tripling, quadrupling down at any cost to avoid the reality of Chauvin killing Floyd. This is the internet...no one ever has to be wrong.
"A healthy person subjected to what Mr. Floyd was subjected to would have died," he said.
He identified four main reasons why Floyd died: the handcuffs and the street acting as a "vise;" Chauvin's left knee on his neck; Floyd's prone position; and Chauvin's right knee on Floyd's back, arm and side. Combined, these limited Floyd's ability to expand his lungs and narrowed his hypopharynx, a part of the throat that air passes through.
But, what the fuck does he know. Expect continued hand-waving and doubling, tripling, quadrupling down at any cost to avoid the reality of Chauvin killing Floyd. This is the internet...no one ever has to be wrong.
Toni
Contributor
- Joined
- Aug 10, 2011
- Messages
- 22,745
- Basic Beliefs
- Peace on Earth, goodwill towards all
Chauvin isn't charged with second degree murder. He's charged with second degree unintentional murder, along with second degree manslaughter and third degree murder.