Daunte Wright shot with Taser. And by "taser," I mean, "Gun."

[Gospel]

Whatever bro. You're a better experience than the police officers I used to deal with every night going to work on Long Island, whether you believe that or not. I don't give a flying fuck if you believe me or not.

It's not that you're black. It's because your anecdote isn't plausible. I'm confident that there was more to the story than you got pulled over for rolling down your window.

Just like I believe that there was more to the story than a 6y/o got arrested for picking a flower.
Tom

That's literally what the officer said to me. "I pulled you over because you put your window down and they (I guess criminals) usually do that to clear the car of weed smoke" that's his exact words. Black officer Clayton.

Edit : Ok never mind. I think I not only have the wrong stop but the wrong officer. Officer Clayton was the one who responded to one of the calls at the Park involving my son. He did a great job and his female officer had a poor addidute. He actually took time to stop by our house after the stop to apologize to the kids and say let them know they are ok and should enjoy the park. Then after that My son got called about again and hasn't been to the park ever since. I got it all mixed up.

 

[Trausti]

Whatever bro. You're a better experience than the police officers I used to deal with every night going to work on Long Island, whether you believe that or not. I don't give a flying fuck if you believe me or not.

It's not that you're black. It's because your anecdote isn't plausible. I'm confident that there was more to the story than you got pulled over for rolling down your window.

Just like I believe that there was more to the story than a 6y/o got arrested for picking a flower.
Tom

That's literally what the officer said to me. "I pulled you over because you put your window down and they (I guess criminals) usually do that to clear the car of weed smoke" that's his exact words. Black officer Clayton.

I was once pulled over for no apparent reason at night on New Year's eve. The cop put a flashlight in my face and said they were looking for someone. He saw my out-of-state driver's license and said you're not him. The next day or so later the local tv news reported that the police were testing out a flashlight that could trace for DUI in the air. My Whiteness did not protect me from this pretext stop.

 

[Gospel]

I once got pulled over for a flashlight. hahahahahaha

 

[TomC]

Behave like Elixir and you'll probably be OK. Behave like Wright and you probably won't.

Yeah. The main thing is behave like me - BE WHITE! Whatever comes after that is incidental and can be negotiated.

That's remarkably racist, but I've come to expect that from you.

Tom

 

[Trausti]

Behave like Elixir and you'll probably be OK. Behave like Wright and you probably won't.

Yeah. The main thing is behave like me - BE WHITE! Whatever comes after that is incidental and can be negotiated.

That's remarkably racist, but I've come to expect that from you.

Tom

It's not racist at all. If you're White, the police just let you go.

Maryland trooper shoots, kills teenager who had airsoft gun, police say

 

[Elixir]

Behave like Elixir and you'll probably be OK. Behave like Wright and you probably won't.

Yeah. The main thing is behave like me - BE WHITE! Whatever comes after that is incidental and can be negotiated.

That's remarkably racist, but I've come to expect that from you.

Tom

I aim to please! Wouldn't want to let down your conditioned expectations.
Jesus Christ, dude, your lack of self-awareness speaks volumes.

 

[Gospel]

That's remarkably racist, but I've come to expect that from you.

Tom

It's not racist at all. If you're White, the police just let you go.

Maryland trooper shoots, kills teenager who had airsoft gun, police say

At least he got a chance to raise his knife. Black man + Gun = 2 magazines. Black Man + perceived Gun = 2 magazines. Naked Black man + no gun = more than two bullets. I'm just sayin.

 

[Trausti]

That's remarkably racist, but I've come to expect that from you.

Tom

It's not racist at all. If you're White, the police just let you go.

Maryland trooper shoots, kills teenager who had airsoft gun, police say

At least he got a chance to raise his knife. Black man + Gun = 2 magazines. Black Man + perceived Gun = 2 magazines. Naked Black man + no gun = more than two bullets. I'm just sayin.

[TWEET]https://twitter.com/LeonydusJohnson/status/1370795401666822152[/TWEET]

 

[Gospel]

Mods, can you move everything on this Thread not having to do with Duante Wright to elsewhere. And if the title can be changed to something else. Make it something about comparing Officer-involved shootings Black VS White Comparison. Guess we can continue this strange episode there.

 

[Toni]

That's literally what the officer said to me. "I pulled you over because you put your window down and they (I guess criminals) usually do that to clear the car of weed smoke" that's his exact words. Black officer Clayton.

I was once pulled over for no apparent reason at night on New Year's eve. The cop put a flashlight in my face and said they were looking for someone. He saw my out-of-state driver's license and said you're not him. The next day or so later the local tv news reported that the police were testing out a flashlight that could trace for DUI in the air. My Whiteness did not protect me from this pretext stop.

So which did he use on you? A taser or a gun?

Oh, right: you’re white.

 

[TomC]

Whatever bro. You're a better experience than the police officers I used to deal with every night going to work on Long Island, whether you believe that or not. I don't give a flying fuck if you believe me or not.

It's not that you're black. It's because your anecdote isn't plausible. I'm confident that there was more to the story than you got pulled over for rolling down your window.

Just like I believe that there was more to the story than a 6y/o got arrested for picking a flower.
Tom

That's literally what the officer said to me. "I pulled you over because you put your window down and they (I guess criminals) usually do that to clear the car of weed smoke" that's his exact words. Black officer Clayton.

Edit : Ok never mind. I think I not only have the wrong stop but the wrong officer. Officer Clayton was the one who responded to one of the calls at the Park involving my son. He did a great job and his female officer had a poor addidute. He actually took time to stop by our house after the stop to apologize to the kids and say let them know they are ok and should enjoy the park. Then after that My son got called about again and hasn't been to the park ever since. I got it all mixed up.

Ha ha ha...
I totally get it.

I have a long and checkered past. I'd have trouble sorting out the details of all my "police interactions".

But I've always been excruciatingly polite and cooperative.

I once got pulled over, supposedly for going 65 in a 55 zone. I'm sure I wasn't going faster than 60, I had the cruise control on. But still...

Technically I was driving a stolen car, with a bunch of beers stashed under the drivers seat. I was so polite you wouldn't have recognized me. I called the owner of the car who talked to the cop, explaining that he asked me to drive the hot rod home. I tested .078, with .08 the legal limit. And my drivers license was expired.

Damn, I was polite to that cop. So cooperative. So apologetic.

I don't think I got off for being white. The cop wasn't.

I got a ticket for speeding.
Tom

 

[TomC]

That's literally what the officer said to me. "I pulled you over because you put your window down and they (I guess criminals) usually do that to clear the car of weed smoke" that's his exact words. Black officer Clayton.

I was once pulled over for no apparent reason at night on New Year's eve. The cop put a flashlight in my face and said they were looking for someone. He saw my out-of-state driver's license and said you're not him. The next day or so later the local tv news reported that the police were testing out a flashlight that could trace for DUI in the air. My Whiteness did not protect me from this pretext stop.

So which did he use on you? A taser or a gun?

Oh, right: you’re white.

Dang that's racist.
Tom

 

[Gospel]

That's literally what the officer said to me. "I pulled you over because you put your window down and they (I guess criminals) usually do that to clear the car of weed smoke" that's his exact words. Black officer Clayton.

Edit : Ok never mind. I think I not only have the wrong stop but the wrong officer. Officer Clayton was the one who responded to one of the calls at the Park involving my son. He did a great job and his female officer had a poor addidute. He actually took time to stop by our house after the stop to apologize to the kids and say let them know they are ok and should enjoy the park. Then after that My son got called about again and hasn't been to the park ever since. I got it all mixed up.

Ha ha ha...
I totally get it.

I have a long and checkered past. I'd have trouble sorting out the details of all my "police interactions".

But I've always been excruciatingly polite and cooperative.

I once got pulled over, supposedly for going 65 in a 55 zone. I'm sure I wasn't going faster than 60, I had the cruise control on. But still...

Technically I was driving a stolen car, with a bunch of beers stashed under the drivers seat. I was so polite you wouldn't have recognized me. I called the owner of the car who talked to the cop, explaining that he asked me to drive the hot rod home. I tested .078, with .08 the legal limit. And my drivers license was expired.

Damn, I was polite to that cop. So cooperative. So apologetic.

I don't think I got off for being white. The cop wasn't.

I got a ticket for speeding.
Tom

I agree with you on the polite. If I gave in to my weariness and told an officer to "hurry the fuck up and find nothing" I'd probably be dead right now.

 

[Elixir]

Years ago I was at a full stop on a viaduct in Denver. There was a ratty, beat up compact car behind me. When traffic came to a full stop, four men jumped out of the car behind me, drew guns and ordered everyone (3 people) out of the car. They opened the doors to my car, popped the trunk lid rifled through the glovebox and other compartments... pretty frightening.
Once convinced we weren’t what they were looking for they finally put their guns away and announced they were FBI and said my car matched one used in a bank robbery.
They were a lot more professional than any cops I had ever encountered but twice as scary.

Anyhow, polite works best when you’re white.

 

[Toni]

So which did he use on you? A taser or a gun?

Oh, right: you’re white.

Dang that's racist.
Tom

Yeah. Your story very clearly illustrated the type of treatment white people get at traffic stops. Great example of driving while white.

 

[J842P]

So which did he use on you? A taser or a gun?

Oh, right: you’re white.

Dang that's racist.
Tom

Yeah. Your story very clearly illustrated the type of treatment white people get at traffic stops. Great example of driving while white.

The vast majority of people, black or white, neither get shot nor tasered.

 

[TomC]

Yeah. Your story very clearly illustrated the type of treatment white people get at traffic stops. Great example of driving while white.

The vast majority of people, black or white, neither get shot nor tasered.

But that doesn't fit the racist narrative, where white people get away with everything and black people go to jail or worse everytime they fart.
Tom

 

[J842P]

Yeah. Your story very clearly illustrated the type of treatment white people get at traffic stops. Great example of driving while white.

The vast majority of people, black or white, neither get shot nor tasered.

But that doesn't fit the racist narrative, where white people get away with everything and black people go to jail or worse everytime they fart.
Tom

Yes, the way that people try to reason about this is appalling. Basically, take random examples from events that happened to make the news, then extrapolate that to all interactions. It's pure, unvarnished, motivated reasoning and lack of critical thinking. Try to bring up actual, serious, research on the topic, e.g. the Fryer study (https://scholar.harvard.edu/fryer/p...-analysis-racial-differences-police-use-force) and it gets ignored.

And people return to using anecdotes to make absurd claims. It's tiring.

And even when you show them the anecdotes of white people being killed by police in similar circumstances, they'll ignore it, and repeat the mantra that white people have nothing to fear from police, and black people should be extremely afraid.

 

[LoAmmo]

Honest question #1:
Would having significantly more black cops in police departments across the country help to reduce "these kinds of" shootings of (in particular) YoungBlackMen?

If blacks in America represent, what, some 12-14% of the population (no time to look it up right this second) what IF they represented, say, 25% of police departments? That said, in general I DETEST racial quotas. Of ANY kind. SO, I might not even like "my own program" were it to be initiated.
I'm asking, what would the effect be?

Honest question #2:
IF Police Departments nationwide somehow magically became 20-25% black, would that carry the opposite risk, that of YoungWhiteMen suddenly experiencing an uptick in deaths for (seemingly) avoidable/wrongful/unwarranted shootings by these black cops?

 

[J842P]

Honest question #1:
Would having significantly more black cops in police departments across the country help to reduce "these kinds of" shootings of (in particular) YoungBlackMen?

If blacks in America represent, what, some 12-14% of the population (no time to look it up right this second) what IF they represented, say, 25% of police departments? That said, in general I DETEST racial quotas. Of ANY kind. SO, I might not even like "my own program" were it to be initiated.
I'm asking, what would the effect be?

Honest question #2:
IF Police Departments nationwide somehow magically became 20-25% black, would that carry the opposite risk, that of YoungWhiteMen suddenly experiencing an uptick in deaths for (seemingly) avoidable/wrongful/unwarranted shootings by these black cops?

Unlikely. Black cops, if anything, demonstrate a slightly higher propensity for use-of-force against black civilians than white cops. I'm going to try to find the relevant literature. But quite frankly, this sort of reasoning is pretty shallow...