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[dismal]

So basically Michael Brown is dead because of Officer Wilson's comfort level?

Perhaps Brown getting into a wrestling match with a cop over his gun in which shots were fired and then charging back at him had something to do with it.

 

[ksen]

My thought is that prosecutors are able to get an indictment basically 100% of the time . . . unless it is against a police officer. That raises questions for me.

http://fivethirtyeight.com/datalab/ferguson-michael-brown-indictment-darren-wilson/

Under ordinary circumstances a prosecutor wouldn't take a case that bad to a grand jury.

Usually they go because they have a case not because the public demands a spectacle.

I agree which supports my claim that McCulloch is a coward that has no business being a state prosecutor. I'm having trouble thinking of a worse way this case could have been handled.

 

[ksen]

So basically Michael Brown is dead because of Officer Wilson's comfort level?

Perhaps Brown getting into a wrestling match with a cop over his gun in which shots were fired and then charging back at him had something to do with it.

Perhaps you can provide the evidence that Brown was charging at the police officer and how between the time of Brown disengaging, running a ways away and turning around that Officer Wilson did not have time to bring his non-lethal tools to bear.

Well, non-lethal tool singular since apparently Wilson left his taser back at the station because it chafed.

 

[Shadowy Man]

The Wilson case has a noted similarity to Zimmerman's. There was reasonable doubt to suppose that while the decisions he made were stupid and reckless, in the end, he wasn't criminally liable for the death. The reasons in the two cases are obviously a little different as Wilson was an actual officer so is given a lot of leeway. Zimmerman was the benefactor of a gross amount of leeway thanks to the self defense laws and the lack of any witnesses, while Wilson is an Officer and is allow by law to kill people.

In both cases, the guys feared for their lives, yet inserted themselves needlessly deeper into the situation.

There aren't two cases. In the Zimmerman case there was a jury trial in which Zimmerman was acquitted. With Wilson, the grand jury determined that there wasn't even probable cause that a crime had taken place. Had there actually been a trial for Wilson then you might be able to compare the two.

 

[dismal]

Perhaps Brown getting into a wrestling match with a cop over his gun in which shots were fired and then charging back at him had something to do with it.

Perhaps you can provide the evidence that Brown was charging at the police officer and how between the time of Brown disengaging, running a ways away and turning around that Officer Wilson did not have time to bring his non-lethal tools to bear.

Well, non-lethal tool singular since apparently Wilson left his taser back at the station because it chafed.

I believe I heard the prosecutor say there was some of Brown's blood 25 yards (it may have been feet) further up the street from where he died. This would seem to be pretty good evidence of him turning back. Plus there were multiple witnesses who said it. Plus the ballistics. No way they were going to prove he didn't turn back beyond a reasonable doubt.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

The Wilson case has a noted similarity to Zimmerman's. There was reasonable doubt to suppose that while the decisions he made were stupid and reckless, in the end, he wasn't criminally liable for the death. The reasons in the two cases are obviously a little different as Wilson was an actual officer so is given a lot of leeway. Zimmerman was the benefactor of a gross amount of leeway thanks to the self defense laws and the lack of any witnesses, while Wilson is an Officer and is allow by law to kill people.

In both cases, the guys feared for their lives, yet inserted themselves needlessly deeper into the situation.

There aren't two cases. In the Zimmerman case there was a jury trial in which Zimmerman was acquitted. With Wilson, the grand jury determined that there wasn't even probable cause that a crime had taken place. Had there actually been a trial for Wilson then you might be able to compare the two.

*hair split*

 

[AthenaAwakened]

A THOUGHT TO PONDER

Roy Bryant and JW Milam, the two men who killed Emmett Till in Money Mississippi in 1955, managed to get indicted.

With no witnesses to actual killing and in JIM CROW America, the prosecuting atty in Tallahatchie County MISSISSIPPI got an indictment but this fool in 2014 Mo. could not.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

One major difference is that the shooter is a police officer. If he wasn't there would likely have been an indictment.

 

[Derec]

Racist clown Al Sharpton speaking at a Michael Brown family conference alongside shyster Benjamin Crump.

Pants up don't loot: Michael Brown's stepfather calls for arsons, yelling "burn this bitch down" repeatedly. Chants of "fuck the police" can be heard in the background. And yes, he is a sagger.

 

[Shadowy Man]

No way they were going to prove he didn't turn back beyond a reasonable doubt.

I wasn't aware "beyond a reasonable doubt" was a criterion for a grand jury to determine probable cause.

 

[ksen]

Perhaps you can provide the evidence that Brown was charging at the police officer and how between the time of Brown disengaging, running a ways away and turning around that Officer Wilson did not have time to bring his non-lethal tools to bear.

Well, non-lethal tool singular since apparently Wilson left his taser back at the station because it chafed.

I believe I heard the prosecutor say there was some of Brown's blood 25 yards (it may have been feet) further up the street from where he died. This would seem to be pretty good evidence of him turning back. Plus there were multiple witnesses who said it. Plus the ballistics. No way they were going to prove he didn't turn back beyond a reasonable doubt.

And how is it Officer Wilson didn't have time to reach for his non-lethal weapon(s) while Brown was moving away from him?

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

I believe I heard the prosecutor say there was some of Brown's blood 25 yards (it may have been feet) further up the street from where he died. This would seem to be pretty good evidence of him turning back. Plus there were multiple witnesses who said it. Plus the ballistics. No way they were going to prove he didn't turn back beyond a reasonable doubt.

And how is it Officer Wilson didn't have time to reach for his non-lethal weapon(s) while Brown was moving away from him?

Well I read somewhere recently that some white people seem to think that blacks are magical.

 

[dismal]

No way they were going to prove he didn't turn back beyond a reasonable doubt.

I wasn't aware "beyond a reasonable doubt" was a criterion for a grand jury to determine probable cause.

Great point. Except the reason we have grand juries (and prosecutorial discretion) is so we don't waste our time on pointless trials.

This whole "ham sandwich" thing is actually meant as a criticism.

 

[Derec]

No way they were going to prove he didn't turn back beyond a reasonable doubt.

I wasn't aware "beyond a reasonable doubt" was a criterion for a grand jury to determine probable cause.

Whether the prosecutor thinks that a case is provable "beyond a reasonable doubt" at a criminal trial is usually the factor in whether he will seek an indictment.

 

[dismal]

I believe I heard the prosecutor say there was some of Brown's blood 25 yards (it may have been feet) further up the street from where he died. This would seem to be pretty good evidence of him turning back. Plus there were multiple witnesses who said it. Plus the ballistics. No way they were going to prove he didn't turn back beyond a reasonable doubt.

And how is it Officer Wilson didn't have time to reach for his non-lethal weapon(s) while Brown was moving away from him?

My understanding is his gun was already out because he was wrestling a 6'4" 300lb man for it in his car.

 

[ksen]

How does that affect the amount of time Wilson had to get to his non-lethal weapon?

Convenience isn't an excuse to kill someone . . . well it shouldn't be but some people apparently disagree.

 

[Shadowy Man]

I wasn't aware "beyond a reasonable doubt" was a criterion for a grand jury to determine probable cause.

Whether the prosecutor thinks that a case is provable "beyond a reasonable doubt" at a criminal trial is usually the factor in whether he will seek an indictment.

He did seek an indictment. But my point is that I don't think it is the grand jury's place to determine the provability of a trial, just examine the evidence to determine if there's a probability a crime was committed.

 

[ksen]

I wasn't aware "beyond a reasonable doubt" was a criterion for a grand jury to determine probable cause.

Whether the prosecutor thinks that a case is provable "beyond a reasonable doubt" at a criminal trial is usually the factor in whether he will seek an indictment.

When a prosecutor seeks an indictment it is generally believed that he will actually try to get that indictment instead of just pretend trying.

 

[Shadowy Man]

And how is it Officer Wilson didn't have time to reach for his non-lethal weapon(s) while Brown was moving away from him?

My understanding is his gun was already out because he was wrestling a 6'4" 300lb man for it in his car.

It's a bit of a red herring to refer to Brown's height and weight, especially when the officer was also 6'4", over 200 pounds, and presumably in good shape and trained for combat.

 

[ksen]

Whether the prosecutor thinks that a case is provable "beyond a reasonable doubt" at a criminal trial is usually the factor in whether he will seek an indictment.

He did seek an indictment.

I think from what we know now he didn't really seek an indictment. If prosecutors really seek an indictment they get it.