AthenaAwakened
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The problem of course is that this wasn't the actual trial. Such injuries do stir reasonable doubt in the minds of jurors.What happened to Wilson's broken orbital socket?
Also, yeah, those injuries look worthy of a death sentence.
The problem of course is that this wasn't the actual trial. Such injuries do stir reasonable doubt in the minds of jurors.What happened to Wilson's broken orbital socket?
Also, yeah, those injuries look worthy of a death sentence.
The problem of course is that this wasn't the actual trial. Such injuries do stir reasonable doubt in the minds of jurors.What happened to Wilson's broken orbital socket?
Also, yeah, those injuries look worthy of a death sentence.
The prosecuter is the sole attorney presenting, leading to the saying, "The DA can indict a ham sandwich."Thegrand jury's accusatory function is to determine whether or not there is probable cause to believe that one or more persons committed a certain offense within the venue of the district court.
No, it's "probable cause". But given all the evidence, including witnesses saying that Brown charged Wilson, I do not think even that threshold was met and thus the "no true bill" was entirely justified.What's that have to do with a grand jury? As far as I know grand juries don't have the "reasonable doubt" bar.
Luckily for her, it doesn't seem to be destroyed, just damaged and looted, as she is talking here about scrambling to fill her orders for Thanksgiving."Natalie DuBose just had her cake business destroyed. Is this what justice looks like, #Ferguson?"
I do not think that was vague at all. He explained that he wasn't party to jury deliberations. So a question as to what convinced the jury is beyond his ability to know.I found the prosecutor's press conference delivery to remain extremely vague. To include his seeming avoidance in addressing a question focusing on "which piece of evidence convinced the Jury....".
I think that it was pretty clear that McCulloch didn't think that an indictment was warranted. Prosecutors decline to prosecute cases all the time and there is no duty to go after every criminal complaint that comes their way. I am sure that if this wasn't a high profile case with international attention that it would not even have come to the grand jury.He sounded more like a defense attorney commenting on his client's successful outcome than a prosecutor.
We can't independently confirm or falsify how Wilson himself felt at the time. He would have also been the only one who saw Brown's face and whether it was full of rage ("Hulk smash!"). So whether he was truthful, hyperbolic or outright lying, we have no way of knowing.As CNN just now was communication excerpts of Wilson's testimony,it appears to be a series of comments where Wilson's goal is to justify how much he was in fear of his own life AFTER Michael Brown ran and allegedly started "charging" him. Preceded by his description of his "feeling like a 5 year old hanging on to Hogan Hulk" during the struggle with Brown while in the car and how "his face looked like a demon". Hyperbolic language building towards impressing on the Grand Jury members that he had justified cause to expect that Brown would attack him and kill him while he was allegedly "charging" him and no alternative but resort to fatal shots.
According to McCulloch's summary there were. I haven't gone through the witness statements that have been released but I am sure people will.What I would like to see is if whether there was any visual witness who confirmed the claim made by Wilson that Brown was "charging" him at the time of Wilson's fatal shooting. By the time those fatal shots occurred, Brown had already been hit several times.
It does, however, conclusively falsify those witnesses who claimed that Brown was shot in the back. Those were the witnesses that were interviewed by the media early on and helped shape the media narrative that led us to the present ugly situation with riots and looting and violence.Essentially,what we have here is a police officer fully aware that how he described his feelings and emotions to the Grand Jury was essential to convince them that he had no alternative but use lethal force during the period of time Brown was running away. Further, it appears that forensic evidence confirms none of the bullets'e entry were from the back but the front. Meaning Brown was indeed facing Wilson when the fatal shots occurred. However, it cannot be confused for evidence that Brown was "charging" Wilson or evidence that Wilson was truthful when testifying he had ordered Brown to get down on the ground twice prior to the fatal shots and Brown was "charging" him.
That is true. "Probable cause" is a safeguard against charging people with crimes willy-nilly based on mere suspicion.It appears to me that what motivated the GJ's return of no indictment is that there was no "probable cause". IMO an indictment based on "mere suspicion" versus "probable cause" is probably not part of a Grand Jury's duties. Meaning that even if 9 or more of the GJ members had a mere suspicion that Wilson's testimony was not truthful, it would not suffice for them for justify an indictment.
High grand jury indictment rate is due in large part to prosecutors exercise discretion as to what cases to bring forward in the first place. Most weak cases get weeded out way before the formal "probable cause" (either grand jury or hearing before the judge) stage. That discretion was preempted in this case due to all the media attention.My thought is that prosecutors are able to get an indictment basically 100% of the time . . . unless it is against a police officer. That raises questions for me.
Prosecutors are usually convinced of the case they bring forward for indictment. McCulloch obviously wasn't.Prosecutors usually only present enough evidence to establish probable cause and not everything including the kitchen sink. Yet this prosecutor did the latter.
On the contrary, he presented all the evidence and let the jury come to a conclusion.He failed at his job because he didn't even try to get an indictment.
Prosecutors are usually convinced of the case they bring forward for indictment. McCulloch obviously wasn't.
On the contrary, he presented all the evidence and let the jury come to a conclusion.He failed at his job because he didn't even try to get an indictment.
He was definitely being measured. What I didn't like what the vagueness about what initially happened and then the final confrontation. Testimony indicated Brown was full charge... or leaning over.I found the prosecutor's press conference delivery to remain extremely vague. To include his seeming avoidance in addressing a question focusing on "which piece of evidence convinced the Jury....". He sounded more like a defense attorney commenting on his client's successful outcome than a prosecutor.
Yeah. Granted, he may have legitimately felt that way if a large guy is going after you. What I don't understand is why he chased after the guy he was scared of, instead of waiting for backup.As CNN just now was communication excerpts of Wilson's testimony,it appears to be a series of comments where Wilson's goal is to justify how much he was in fear of his own life AFTER Michael Brown ran and allegedly started "charging" him. Preceded by his description of his "feeling like a 5 year old hanging on to Hogan Hulk" during the struggle with Brown while in the car and how "his face looked like a demon". Hyperbolic language building towards impressing on the Grand Jury members that he had justified cause to expect that Brown would attack him and kill him while he was allegedly "charging" him and no alternative but resort to fatal shots.
Discretion is a vital part of a prosecutor's job.Then he's a craven who shouldn't be in the position he's in.
Fades in comparison to the mistakes Brown committed that helped precipitate Brown's death.Wilson may not be held criminally liable, but he committed a number of mistakes that help precipitate Brown's death.
Wilson fired the bullet, so no. That is not true.Fades in comparison to the mistakes Brown committed that helped precipitate Brown's death.Wilson may not be held criminally liable, but he committed a number of mistakes that help precipitate Brown's death.