Palestinian viciously attacks a Jew in NYC, released on $10k bail

[untermensche]

The guy who was attacked had nothing to do with Israeli political or military actions. The guy who was attacked was an American. One can say Israel's actions were asymmetrical, caused too much damage, killed too many people without quasi-condoning the random attack of an American.

Your posts are a right-wing strawman wet dream.

Many Palestinians killed in the West bank were as innocent as that guy.

That is what makes both of these things wrong... not a tit for tat. Unless you want to justify a mass shooting at a synagogue that kills dozens of Jewish people, just because there is some aggregate counter in your head you mistake for justice.

Yes. It is wrong to violently oppress many people for decades.

It is wrong to attack innocent people in the US.

But one thing is responsible for the other.

Palestinians killing people in the US is not the reason millions of Palestinians have been violently oppressed for decades.

 

[Derec]

Things aren't always what they appear to be at first glance. Sometimes truth is stranger than fiction and doesn't conform to a black and white dichotomy. Recognizing these facts is a strength.

Wasseem beat up this guy because he was a Jew. He invoked Hamas. He threatened to do it again given a chance. He was bailed out and was hailed as a hero by other Muslims.

It's not complicated and not everything is some Zionist conspiracy.

 

[Derec]

Palestinians killing people in the US is not the reason millions of Palestinians have been violently oppressed for decades.

Israel would have made peace if they had a partner for peace on the other side. However, most Palestinians want to destroy Israel which is why Hamas, Islamic Jihad and more extreme factions of Fatah (led by terrorist Marwan Barghoutti) are so popular among Palestinians.

 

[zorq]

Things aren't always what they appear to be at first glance. Sometimes truth is stranger than fiction and doesn't conform to a black and white dichotomy. Recognizing these facts is a strength.

Wasseem beat up this guy because he was a Jew. He invoked Hamas. He threatened to do it again given a chance. He was bailed out and was hailed as a hero by other Muslims.

As you know, and are so fond of pointing out when it comes to a sexual abuse case involving college students, people lie.

And yet you are 100% confident that you know exactly what happened that night including the motivation and with no room for error after reading one clickbaity article on the internet.

It's not complicated and not everything is some Zionist conspiracy.

Some things aren't complicated and very few things are Zionist conspiracies, but it is impossible to categorize them without sufficient information. I have a stronger desire to discover the truth than my desire to inflict righteous justice on my outgroups. Do you?

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Jimmy, you ought to know by now that white men are never the problem.

On the contrary, to the Left it's only white men that are ever seen as a problem.

Neither JH nor myself are members of "the Left".

Yeah, I’m right handed.


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[Jimmy Higgins]

That is what makes both of these things wrong... not a tit for tat. Unless you want to justify a mass shooting at a synagogue that kills dozens of Jewish people, just because there is some aggregate counter in your head you mistake for justice.

Yes. It is wrong to violently oppress many people for decades.

It is wrong to attack innocent people in the US.

But one thing is responsible for the other.

Palestinians killing people in the US is not the reason millions of Palestinians have been violently oppressed for decades.

Have fun with you invalid mental gymnastics.

 

[Elixir]

Have fun with you invalid mental gymnastics.

"Invalid" the noun, or the adjective?
(One creates a more humorous image than the other)

 

[ZiprHead]

A white supremacist would likely not be released on a loose change bail, especially not after threatening to do it again.

How do you know this? Did you do something similar and get a much higher bail?

 

[KeepTalking]

He was released on a ridiculously low bond. So, yes, the State of NY is taking it easy on him so far.

You have not shown that the bond is ridiculously low for the same crime committed by anyone else in the same jurisdiction.

She most definitely blamed it on "white supremacy". And even later, she doubled down on her condemnation of Israel while having nothing bad to say about Hamas.

Prove it. That is the second time I have asked you to do so, and you have been asked at least one other time in this thread to do so. I will note that in each case you have declined to do so. The boy who cried wolf comes to mind.

Kind of like the way you completely ignore US law enforcement abuses against unarmed blacks that are many orders of magnitude more egregious than this assault on a civilian by a civilian? Why do you expect everyone else to condemn everything that is bad in the world, when you fail to do so yourself?

And yet again you try to derail.

Do you expect me to apologize for following your derail in which you demanded that AOC condemn things other than this attack in a thread that is about this attack?

Of course you disagree with it. You made a slew of invalid assumptions in this thread, and that is common in threads in which you participate. You show no awareness of your prejudices, and as a result you allow them to drive you to post incorrect assumptions quite often.

Bullshit. And you have not addressed AOCs baseless and incendiary attacks on Israel while not saying anything negative about Hamas.

And yet again you try to derail.

 

[untermensche]

Palestinians killing people in the US is not the reason millions of Palestinians have been violently oppressed for decades.

Israel would have made peace if they had a partner for peace on the other side. However, most Palestinians want to destroy Israel which is why Hamas, Islamic Jihad and more extreme factions of Fatah (led by terrorist Marwan Barghoutti) are so popular among Palestinians.

Israel has failed to be a legitimate partner for peace.

It has preferred expansion and the horrors of it's oppression and constant attacks to peace.

 

[untermensche]

That is what makes both of these things wrong... not a tit for tat. Unless you want to justify a mass shooting at a synagogue that kills dozens of Jewish people, just because there is some aggregate counter in your head you mistake for justice.

Yes. It is wrong to violently oppress many people for decades.

It is wrong to attack innocent people in the US.

But one thing is responsible for the other.

Palestinians killing people in the US is not the reason millions of Palestinians have been violently oppressed for decades.

Have fun with you invalid mental gymnastics.

You could not have said anything less worthless.

 

[KeepTalking]

Then it should be easy for you to find it and link to it or reproduce it here in order to show that it is not yet another mistake you have have made.

It's lpetrich's summary of an interview that I will not listen to as AOC's voice is like nails on blackboard. You are, however, welcome to it. It's in lpetrich's thread on AOC.

Why would I try to prove your assertion? Put up or shut up.

 

[laughing dog]

Palestinians killing people in the US is not the reason millions of Palestinians have been violently oppressed for decades.

Israel would have made peace if they had a partner for peace on the other side.

That is an opinion, not a fact. Given the history of Israel and the area, there is little reason to believe that optimistic projection.

However, most Palestinians want to destroy Israel which is why Hamas, Islamic Jihad and more extreme factions of Fatah (led by terrorist Marwan Barghoutti) are so popular among Palestinians.

Do tell how you know what is in the minds of most Palestinians.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Have fun with you invalid mental gymnastics.

You could not have said anything less worthless.

Sounds like a challenge.

 

[untermensche]

Have fun with you invalid mental gymnastics.

You could not have said anything less worthless.

Sounds like a challenge.

An observation.

For decades Israel has been oppressing the Palestinians and taking their land.

The land they exist on is getting smaller and smaller.

They have no right to freely travel in and out of their lands.

They have no right to an open water port and an airport.

This is oppression.

You don't get to oppress more because you say many people are angry from your decades of oppression.

 

[marc]

A white supremacist would likely not be released on a loose change bail, especially not after threatening to do it again.

How do you know this? Did you do something similar and get a much higher bail?

Well the white supremacist would have just claimed they were standing their ground, and not been arrested at all. So no bail involved, let alone loose change bail.

 

[Patooka]

Wish I was solvent enough to consider 10k (in US dollarydoos no less) "loose change".

 

[funinspace]

BTW, Grafton Thomas had a long rap sheet, being arrested 7 times since 2001, yet he still was able to commit his last violent deed. Did you start a thread on him? So again, what was your point with this thread?

Grafton Thomas is a black guy but his attack was also blamed on "white supremacy" by some, for example "journalist" Erin Biba. I do believe we had a thread on hm.

But what is your point bringing him up? It has little to do with the attack from OP which is linked to Palestinian hostility to Jews. As such, it is linked to the anti-Israel statements Squad members often make.

I brought up Grafton Thomas, among other things, to figure out if your thread was anything other than a raging hate against Palestinians in general. So far you are demonstrating my wonderment is vaild, in that this is all this thread is about, your rage against Palestinians.

It seems you really don't care about American Jews at all. If you did, you would have been raging against Clownstick these last 4 years, and his dog whistle incitement of white nationalists, and their increased attacks on Jews.

https://www.dw.com/en/anti-semitism-in-the-us-hits-4-decade-high-report/a-53402428

The 2019 ADL Audit of Antisemitic Incidents, issued today, found that the total number of antisemitic incidents in 2019 increased 12 percent over the previous year, with a disturbing 56 percent increase in assaults.
<snip>
At least 170 antisemitic incidents in 2019 referenced Israel or Zionism. Of those, 68 took the form of white supremacist groups’ propaganda efforts, which attempt to foment anti-Israel and antisemitic beliefs.

https://www.dissentmagazine.org/online_articles/anti-semitism-rise-trump

The biggest threat to Jews today are not wealthy WASPs, working-class Catholics, or low-income African Americans, but white supremacist groups—whose members are distinct from but sometimes overlap with white evangelical Christians—that have grown in number and audacity in the last few years.

Are there Muslim attacks on Jews in this country, of course there are, and it is wrong and should be prosecuted. But you only seem to get excited about just one minority flavor of such attacks...

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Maybe have a trial first.

The state needs to go through the formalities but the guy openly confessed. There's no issue of guilt.

No, there is ALWAYS an issue of guilt. One brief, clickbaity, one sided article isn't enough to convince me of anything.

Self defence? We don't know. False confession? we don't know. Coercion? We don't know. I'm not claiming innocence, but it is foolish to rush to judgement. Especially given how cherry picked and scant the evidence we have appears to be.

Self defense? If it had been self defense he would have said so.

Coercion? Likewise, he would have said so.

The only defense I see is false confession and there's little reason for that.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Likewise, another arrest while awaiting trial probably should have a bail requirement.

This Waseem guy had several prior arrests, all bail-free thanks to Albany, including for a weapons charge.

But were they still pending charges? That's what I think counts. If you've been arrested 10 times and shown up in court as you were supposed to each time that's more reason to think you'll show up this time.