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Swammerdami said:
SLD said:
ZiprHead said:
Does not permitting extradition to another state apply to the feds?
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No. It’s up to the state where the criminal is located.
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That's the present situation, but couldn't Congress pass a law that allows some federal agency (FBI) to assist with state arrests?

Anyway, aren't many of the likely Manhattan charges related to tax evasion? How difficult or time-consuming would it be to turn those into federal tax evasion cases?
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States are obligated to extradite under the Constitution; Art IV, Sec 2, Clause 2. The Supreme Court has upheld this in Puerto Rico v Branstad.

It’s too east to just go to New York, post bond, and go back to Florida though.
He’ll die awaiting trial. I just know it. It’ll be just my luck.
 
TV and credit cards said:
It’s too east to just go to New York, post bond, and go back to Florida though.
He’ll die awaiting trial. I just know it. It’ll be just my luck.
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"Your honor, this defendant poses very great risk of flight. He is allied with international crime figures including the Putin Gang of Moscow for whom he has already committed treasonous acts and who may wish to offer him asylum. He is charged with financial crimes which total into nine digits. We ask that bail be set at no less than $500 million. If he offers property deeds in lieu of cash bond, be aware that many of these properties are likely to be bankrupted when defendant's crimes are proven in court."
 
"Ivanka, ya gotta get me out! The DA got two billion on me for the bond. Ya gotta come up with the money."
"You have reached Ivanka Illusions. Marque dos para espanol. (Pause.) Please listen closely, as our menu options have changed. To place an order, press one. To check on the status of a current order, press two. Buyers and international consortium agents, press three. That cute guy from the Chinese trademark office, press four. Bulk orders and graft attempts from foreign nationals, press five. To hear this message again, press six."
"Ivvvvannnnkkkka!"
 
Michael Cohen on Giuliani's legal fees: He won't get 'two cents' from Trump | TheHill
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Michael Cohen On Giuliani: ‘He’s Going To Get Stiffed’ | The ReidOut | MSNBC - YouTube
New reporting suggests that Trump fixer Rudy Giuliani may be cash strapped as he faces a criminal investigation and two defamation lawsuits. Michael Cohen says, "Let me be very clear, he's (Rudy Giuliani) going to get stiffed. Donald Trump does not pay legal bills … He thought Donald Trump was going to pay him $140k a day, he has a better chance at sling-shooting himself to the moon. It's impossible."
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Giuliani allies press Trump team to help foot his growing legal bills: report | TheHill


Trump signals he's ready to get back in the game | TheHill
An emboldened former President Trump is preparing to become more active as he looks to boost GOP allies while mulling a new run for the White House.

Trump is expected to hit the road soon resuming his signature rallies, which will put him more in the public eye and create questions for television networks about coverage.

He’s also set to hold his first fundraiser for his new super PAC at a time when his control over the GOP was augmented after House Republicans voted to dump Rep. Liz Cheney (R-Wyo.) from their leadership team over her repeated criticism of the former president’s false claims about his loss in the 2020 election.
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Will he continue to claim that the election was stolen from him? It seems like it.
 
The humiliating loss as the incumbent, to Joe Biden no less, was too hard for the mind of the pathological narcissist to accept.

Losing to Biden in Trump's mind says that Biden is the better man.

That is how his mind works.

Winning is the only measure.

It does not matter if you win by building a coalition of Christian fundamentalists wanting the government in woman's bodies, and white bigots of several shapes and sizes.

It does not matter if you win by talking about a wall on the southern border and not letting Muslims into the US.
 
So the Manhattan DA has opened a criminal case in addition to the civil case.

Can some lawyer explain why the state would have been involved with a civil case to begin with? I would have thought the involvement of the state in any matter of law would only occur if a violation of criminal law occurred, and any suit under the civil banner would have to be brought by the private party (parties) wronged by the accused.

Maybe if the state were the victim of noncriminal fraud (if that exists....)?
 
jonatha said:
So the Manhattan DA has opened a criminal case in addition to the civil case.

Can some lawyer explain why the state would have been involved with a civil case to begin with? I would have thought the involvement of the state in any matter of law would only occur if a violation of criminal law occurred, and any suit under the civil banner would have to be brought by the private party (parties) wronged by the accused.

Maybe if the state were the victim of noncriminal fraud (if that exists....)?
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States can certainly be a party to civil suits, both as a defendant and a litigant. It is actually fairly common with regard to contract disputes.
 
KeepTalking said:
jonatha said:
So the Manhattan DA has opened a criminal case in addition to the civil case.

Can some lawyer explain why the state would have been involved with a civil case to begin with? I would have thought the involvement of the state in any matter of law would only occur if a violation of criminal law occurred, and any suit under the civil banner would have to be brought by the private party (parties) wronged by the accused.

Maybe if the state were the victim of noncriminal fraud (if that exists....)?
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States can certainly be a party to civil suits, both as a defendant and a litigant. It is actually fairly common with regard to contract disputes.
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OK.

That would presumably be a contract to which the state is a party. How does that apply to the Trump Organization and the Manhattan DA?
 
jonatha said:
KeepTalking said:
jonatha said:
So the Manhattan DA has opened a criminal case in addition to the civil case.

Can some lawyer explain why the state would have been involved with a civil case to begin with? I would have thought the involvement of the state in any matter of law would only occur if a violation of criminal law occurred, and any suit under the civil banner would have to be brought by the private party (parties) wronged by the accused.

Maybe if the state were the victim of noncriminal fraud (if that exists....)?
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States can certainly be a party to civil suits, both as a defendant and a litigant. It is actually fairly common with regard to contract disputes.
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OK.

That would presumably be a contract to which the state is a party. How does that apply to the Trump Organization and the Manhattan DA?
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I assume some tax cases could be civil, but if it involves deliberate fraud it goes to criminal.
 
T.G.G. Moogly said:
ZiprHead said:
jonatha said:
OK.

That would presumably be a contract to which the state is a party. How does that apply to the Trump Organization and the Manhattan DA?
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I assume some tax cases could be civil, but if it involves deliberate fraud it goes to criminal.
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Deliberate fraud? :) Is there any other kind?
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There's fraud that can't be proven to have been deliberate - you know, like Trump prefers (settlement amounts are lower).
 
jonatha said:
KeepTalking said:
jonatha said:
So the Manhattan DA has opened a criminal case in addition to the civil case.

Can some lawyer explain why the state would have been involved with a civil case to begin with? I would have thought the involvement of the state in any matter of law would only occur if a violation of criminal law occurred, and any suit under the civil banner would have to be brought by the private party (parties) wronged by the accused.

Maybe if the state were the victim of noncriminal fraud (if that exists....)?
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States can certainly be a party to civil suits, both as a defendant and a litigant. It is actually fairly common with regard to contract disputes.
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OK.

That would presumably be a contract to which the state is a party. How does that apply to the Trump Organization and the Manhattan DA?
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It doesn't really, just noting that this is a common way in which States become parties to civil suits.

They are looking into the Trump Organizations finances for a variety of reasons. If mistakes were made in the financial accounts, and fraud is not evident, then it is a civil matter, and the organization would just be fined for the financial irregularities. If there is evidence that the financial irregularities are a result of fraud, then whoever committed that fraud would face criminal charges.
 
untermensche said:
The humiliating loss as the incumbent, to Joe Biden no less, was too hard for the mind of the pathological narcissist to accept.

Losing to Biden in Trump's mind says that Biden is the better man.

That is how his mind works.

Winning is the only measure.

It does not matter if you win by building a coalition of Christian fundamentalists wanting the government in woman's bodies, and white bigots of several shapes and sizes.

It does not matter if you win by talking about a wall on the southern border and not letting Muslims into the US.
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It does not matter if you act with extreme unpatriotic malice -- denying your political opponent the transition funds needed to organize a new administration that will be expected to meet the challenge of a deadly pandemic. Being such a shabby little coward that you cannot bear to appear at the new President's inauguration. Worst of all, doing what no other retired President has done: spreading the poisonous nonsense that you actually won by a landslide, and that the country's election system has been hijacked.
Trump cares nothing about the country. How do we know this? He never says a word about the HALF MILLION PLUS who died from covid, because it would edge too close to the truth about his responsibility for the disease getting out of control. What the Civil War visited on this country in four years, we managed to do in just over a year, mostly under Trump's "leadership". He is a malignancy, and it is now clear that he will continue to damage the country until he drops dead or has some catastrophic health event. The historians will carve you up proper, Donald.
 
T.G.G. Moogly said:
ZiprHead said:
jonatha said:
OK.

That would presumably be a contract to which the state is a party. How does that apply to the Trump Organization and the Manhattan DA?
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I assume some tax cases could be civil, but if it involves deliberate fraud it goes to criminal.
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Deliberate fraud? :) Is there any other kind?
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A misrepresentation because you had bad information. I own two pieces of land and have a mining engineer prepare reports on the mineral value of them. One report comes back saying diamond mining is practical, the other says nothing of value. However, the secretary mixed up the cover letters and I didn't notice the descriptions in the reports don't match. I sell you the "diamond mine" property. There's no intent to defraud but it certainly isn't as described and had I looked at the reports more carefully I would have noticed it.
 
Faulty redactions in court document show federal investigators seized more info in case against Rudy Giuliani than previously disclosed

(CNN)New York federal prosecutors investigating Rudy Giuliani have seized material from a wider array of individuals than previously disclosed, including messages from email and iCloud accounts they believe belong to two former Ukranian government officials, as well as the cell phone and iPad of a pro-Trump Ukrainian businessman, according to a court document unsealed Tuesday.

The court filing, which contained redacted portions that CNN was able to read by copying and pasting them into another document, also disclosed that federal prosecutors have "historical and prospective cell site information" related to Giuliani and another lawyer, Victoria Toensing, both of whom were the subjects of search warrants executed late last month.

The Ukranians include the former Prosecutor General of Ukraine Yuriy Lutsenko, former head of the Ukrainian Fiscal Service Roman Nasirov and and businessman Alexander Levin.

The filing, written by an attorney for an indicted former Giuliani ally Lev Parnas, describes a chart in which federal prosecutors described the scope of the materials they sought and seized beginning in late 2019 and continuing through earlier this year.
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Prosecutors Convene Grand Jury That Could Weigh Potential Trump Charges: Report
The Manhattan district attorney’s office has not brought any official charges.

Prosecutors in New York have convened a special grand jury that may hear evidence against former President Donald Trump and potentially decide whether he will face charges, The Washington Post reported Tuesday.

Trump and his businesses have been under investigation in the state for more than two years by the Manhattan district attorney’s office.

Jurors were convened “recently,” the Post said, citing two people familiar with the probe, and will be expected to sit three days a week for six months.
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I hope one of the TFT lawyers will explain how grand jury selection works.

For a regular ("petit"?) jury, both sides (and the judge?) have the right to exclude a juror. (How will that work when Trump is tried? If Trump lovers and Trump haters are all excluded, will only very ignorant and apathetic Americans be allowed to serve on the jury?)

But the "defense" doesn't participate in grand jury selection. The jury selection starts with the same random pool as for petit juries, right? How do you find people able to commit to 6 months anyway? Is service mandatory? What's the stipend? Can the prosecutor exclude potential jurors?
 
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