Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez

[Derec]

It is a public good to have rested well paid doctors.

Well-rested now includes having your own boat straight out of residency? In reality, "well-rested" means more doctors, and more residency spots, which would have to mean lower average salaries (fair, if they are to work fewer hours). I doubt most existing doctors would welcome that change.

Also, note that the salaries doctors command are this high in part because it is understood that medical students incur sizable student loans.

I have no clue who or what you are in the service of.

In service of tax payers. Extremely well paid professionals do not need their sizable student loans paid for by us the taxpayers.

 

[untermensche]

It is a public good to have rested well paid doctors.

Well-rested now includes having your own boat straight out of residency? In reality, "well-rested" means more doctors, and more residency spots, which would have to mean lower average salaries (fair, if they are to work fewer hours). I doubt most existing doctors would welcome that change.

Also, note that the salaries doctors command are this high in part because it is understood that medical students incur sizable student loans.

I have no clue who or what you are in the service of.

In service of tax payers. Extremely well paid professionals do not need their sizable student loans paid for by us the taxpayers.

What tax payers asked you to do this?

I want the doctors taken care of.

They are very important people. That is why they are paid so much. If you want the best you have to pay for it. Paying specialists that can perform complicated procedures more is a good idea.

 

[Derec]

What tax payers asked you to do this?

Me, myself and I.
But I am certainly not the only one.

I want the doctors taken care of.

They are being more than taken care of already.

They are very important people. That is why they are paid so much. If you want the best you have to pay for it.

I completely agree.
But if you want the best, how do you justify using race for admission decisions?
Or how do you justify AAMC dumbing down medical admissions and education with things like making USMLE Step 1 pass/fail, which eliminates any distinction between an A score and a C score?

Paying specialists that can perform complicated procedures more is a good idea.

I agree. But physicians, and especially specialists, esp. in surgical specialties, are already extremely well compensated.
Even accounting for them paying for their own damn student loans.

 

[lpetrich]

I work in healthcare and talk to doctors every working day.

Of course doctors themselves would love to see their student loans paid by the taxpayers so they can use their large salaries to buy that boat years sooner.

You're complaining about that?

 

[lpetrich]

AOC continues her involvement in local transit issues.

So she is against a local transit project, while pushing rail everywhere else?

That comes from not looking at what she has actually said about this AirTrain-LGA routing, and instead using Fox-News stereotypes. She thinks that it is a bad routing, and that AirTrain-LGA ought to be built on some other route, if it is to be built at all.

 

[Harry Bosch]

Well-rested now includes having your own boat straight out of residency? In reality, "well-rested" means more doctors, and more residency spots, which would have to mean lower average salaries (fair, if they are to work fewer hours). I doubt most existing doctors would welcome that change.

Also, note that the salaries doctors command are this high in part because it is understood that medical students incur sizable student loans.


In service of tax payers. Extremely well paid professionals do not need their sizable student loans paid for by us the taxpayers.

What tax payers asked you to do this?

I want the doctors taken care of.

They are very important people. That is why they are paid so much. If you want the best you have to pay for it. Paying specialists that can perform complicated procedures more is a good idea.

I disagree with you. They are capitalist scum who partially live off the labor of others. They should be crushed...

 

[untermensche]

Capitalists just take.

They serve nobody else but themselves.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Capitalists just take.

They serve nobody else but themselves.

Preaching doesn't make it so.

In reality, without capitalists we would be far behind where we are now. They're what drives most large endeavors.

 

[Elixir]

Well-rested now includes having your own boat straight out of residency? In reality, "well-rested" means more doctors, and more residency spots, which would have to mean lower average salaries (fair, if they are to work fewer hours). I doubt most existing doctors would welcome that change.

Also, note that the salaries doctors command are this high in part because it is understood that medical students incur sizable student loans.


In service of tax payers. Extremely well paid professionals do not need their sizable student loans paid for by us the taxpayers.

What tax payers asked you to do this?

I want the doctors taken care of.

They are very important people. That is why they are paid so much. If you want the best you have to pay for it. Paying specialists that can perform complicated procedures more is a good idea.

Derec must know some specialist administrators rather than actual practitioners of medicine. I know one neurology department head (used to be a lowly neurosurgeon) making literally millions. In fact he makes more in a month than my brother makes in a year, and my brother is a practicing GP with sub-specs in OB-GYN and Pediatrics. Actual doctors are not where the big money goes. Yeah, almost any specialist might make 2-4 times what a GP does if he can bring in the patients, but administrators are sometimes making 3-10 times what the specialists make.

 

[lpetrich]

Maya Wiley on Twitter: "How do we say New York is back without saying New York is back? Just listen to @AOC. We have the chance to create history. Let’s take this #Mayamentum straight to the polls on Tuesday! Our vote is our voice. (link)" / Twitter
with AOC speaking at a rally for her.

Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez on Twitter: "Today’s NYC To Do List:
Wake up
Head to the bodega for coffee and a sandwich ️
Rank @MayaWiley #1 for Mayor 🗳" / Twitter

Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez on Twitter: "Good morning Today’s the day, NYC! 🗳 (details of her endorsements)" / Twitter

I like AOC's emojis.

How Does Treating Gun Violence As A Public Health Crisis Work? One Bronx Program Offers A Potential Flagship Model - Gothamist

Now entering its seventh year, the Jacobi program known as Stand Up to Violence is the first of its kind in the state to use a hospital-based approach that treats violence like a disease. There are roughly 18 gun violence prevention programs scattered across the city, several of which have shown promising results. But those behind the Jacobi initiative say its unique model and outcomes stand out among them: Between 2014 to 2018, gun violence in the areas it serves dropped by 45% compared to the four years prior before Stand Up To Violence was initiated, according to Dr. Noè Romo, a pediatrician who serves as the program's medical director.

Additionally, he noted that among the more than 2,000 patients admitted into Jacobi for either a gunshot wound, stabbing, or assault over the last seven years, the rate of re-injury is 59% lower than prior to the program.

Anti-Gun Violence Activists Say They Know How To Reduce Shootings, But "It's Not A Quick Fix" - Gothamist
Back to the more recent article.

Stand Up To Violence is based on a Cure Violence model that was created in Chicago in 1995 and relies on community members known as credible messengers. They are often former gang members, or as Miranda describes, a person who "has lived through what these young people have lived through."

Growing up in Queens, Miranda had been a gang member and was incarcerated at one point.

But unlike other violence interrupter programs, Stand Up To Violence is based in a hospital. That allows outreach by the credible messengers to begin at a critical moment—when a gunshot victim is admitted to the emergency room and the clock begins on a potential retaliation. Outreach workers immediately try to get a sense of what led to the shooting and then attempt to mediate the dispute at both an individual and community level. They do not involve law enforcement.

Gothamist on Twitter: "Now entering its seventh year, the Jacobi program known as Stand Up to Violence is the first of its kind in the state to use a hospital-based approach that treats violence like a disease. (link)" / Twitter
Seems like a good way to stop blood feuds, because all sides in them may claim that they are acting in self-defense.

 

[lpetrich]

Maya Wiley on Twitter: "“She has strong, progressive policy, but also, I think that it’s really important to have a mayor that’s going to be really receptive to people actually calling & advocating for themselves.”

Thankful for your support, @AOC. Can't wait to work together to move this city forward. (link)" / Twitter
I transcribed the captioning of that video:

I really support Maya Wiley I think for a couple of reasons. She has strong, progressive policy, but also, I think that it's really important to have a mayor that's going to be really receptive to people actually calling and advocating for themselves. And Maya Wiley is not supported by, you know, the big, wealthy, real estate developers that profit off of sky-high rents. She's not being backed by Super PACs for these huge corporate interests. So I feel like we can really trust, to have access to her, and to actually be able to advocate without, you know, it already being in the bag in terms of policy.

So I really believe that she'd be mayor - we've had 109 mayors in New York City, 108 of them have been white men. I think also it's - it's time that we stop saying that black women represent the backbone of the Democratic Party. I think it's time that we have black women leading the Democratic Party. And I think out in New York City, that's really important. And it's not just from an identity perspective. It's from a policy perspective too. You know, she's - she's not just saying "This is who I am, this is the body I was born in." She's saying "This is how we're infusing that experience in policy that's going to help all of us."

 

[lpetrich]

Dave Weigel on Twitter: "Potential upset in Buffalo: India Walton, a socialist who'd be the city's first female mayor, wins early vote by 14 points.

Would be the largest city with a socialist mayor since Milwaukee had one, more than 60 years ago. (link)" / Twitter

The New York Times on Twitter: "India Walton, a socialist candidate, is poised to beat Buffalo’s incumbent Democratic mayor. The primary upset would upend the political landscape in New York’s second-biggest city and make her its first female mayor. (link)" / Twitter
noting
India Walton stuns longtime incumbent in Buffalo mayoral primary. - The New York Times

Also
How India Walton Pulled It Off in the Buffalo Mayoral Primary - The New York Times
She defeated a four-term incumbent.

Much like AOC herself in 2018 and Jamaal Bowman, Marie Newman, and Cori Bush in 2020, all of them defeating long-time incumbents in their party.

Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez on Twitter: ".@Indiawaltonbflo became a mother at 14 years old. She earned her GED while pregnant w/ twins.

She graduated, became a registered nurse, & then a representative in her union, 1199SEIU. Then directed a Community Land Trust.

Tonight it seems Buffalo may be making her Mayor. " / Twitter

 

[SimpleDon]

I came across this on Youtube, in my suggested mix of Arsenal FC, aviation, swing era, woodworking, etc. videos.

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A recording of Joe Manchin asking billionaire donors to convince Roy Blunt to vote for the 1/6 independent commission so that the filibuster can be preserved and thereby blocking social legislation which would be funded by the rich. Roy Blunt is retiring and Manchin suggests they promise Blunt a lobbying job when he retires.

I have never heard of David Doel nor the intercept before this. Since I know that some here have weak internet searching skills, here is the article in the intercept.

I didn't have a very good opinion of AOC before I started reading this thread. But this thread and the articles contained in it like this one are changing my mind.

 

[lpetrich]

Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez on Twitter: ".@SecDebHaaland is everything. Seeing her leadership change lives makes my heart happy " / Twitter
noting this article on fellow Standing Rock veteran:
InStyle on Twitter: "America’s first Indigenous Cabinet member, U.S. Secretary of the Interior @SecDebHaaland steps into her historic role with pragmatism, empathy, and the spiritual guidance of her ancestors. (links)" / Twitter
noting
InStyle -- U.S. Secretary of the Interior Deb Haaland on Being the First - and the Future


Virtual Town Hall with Representatives Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez and Jamaal Bowman - YouTube
She started off by reminding people not to dawdle about updating or renewing their passports. She then got into the child tax credit. It should reduce child poverty by 50%. It currently is only for the rest of this year, but there are efforts to make it permanent.

Jamaal Bowman then mentioned these alternative anti-violence programs:

• Stand Up to Violence (SUV) Bronx, NY -- Outreach workers deploy into community after act of violence to reduce retaliation. Program participants are 52% less likely to be re-injured.
• Bronx Rises Against Gun Violence (BRAG) - Bronx, Mt. Vernon, Yonkers, NY -- Identify and support at-risk youth, mobilize community members to raise awareness about violence and its larger impact
• Crisis Assistance Helping Out On the Streets (CAHOOTS) - Eugene, OR -- Mental health first responders. In 2019, out of 24,000 calls only 311 required police, backup
• Mothers Against Senseless Killings (MASK) - Chicago, IL -- Mothers feeding community members in violence prone areas

AOC noted that big police budgets have coexisted with increased crime. She then noted that alternatives to policing exist that are often successful. JB then noted that the NYPD hasn't been defunded, that it has a $11B yearly budget. AOC then described the Stand Up To Violence program, like its reducing victims' desire for vengeance. Its counselors include people who have turned their lives around after being involved in violence -- they can be very convincing.

Then JB returned with noting that some people may have trouble in school, like undiagnosed dyslexia.

Then Q&A's. Someone expressed hope that stop-and-frisk never returns. She recalled once stopping off at Hunts Point and watching some cops with some young men against a wall. They found a tiny bit of marijuana. Then she went to work at a taqueria near Union Square in Manhattan. It was near New York University, and she could see NYU students smoking pot in that park, with cops all around who ignored them. Same law, different enforcement. She and other activists will fight any attempt to return stop-and-frisk, that racist bit of racial targeting from the War on Drugs.

JB recalled him being stopped, picked up, and taken to police stations though later released. He considers that police tactic to be nothing more than harassment, and he still feels uncomfortable when he sees a cop car nearby.

 

[lpetrich]

JB then described a workforce-development program that will hire people no matter what as long as they demonstrate some competence, as far as I can tell. Name: Graceton(?) AOC then got into how, during the pandemic, the NYC gov't wanted to cut the summer youth employment program. A lot of people objected, because it will make them less safe and cut off valuable opportunities.

She then described how some family members got on the wrong side of the law in their youth, but when they were released, had some family members and friends who did not give up on them, so they were able to get construction jobs and the like.

Then they got into the issue of defunding the police. JB explained it as transferring some resources to social services. He said that we sometimes ask the cops to do too much. Social services like de-escalating domestic disputes.

AOC then talked about the supposed super crime rate. She pointed out that crime rates were similar to 2013, and rates back then were considered *low*. Some people were even arguing about who should take credit for that. Crime went down during the pandemic lockdowns because many people were inside their homes instead of going outside. But domestic violence went up.

She then talked about she succeeded in pushing an amendment that transferred some money from the Drug Enforcement Administration into opioid treatment, money that was more than what the DEA asked for. Almost every Republican voted for it, she says, because they saw what was happening in their communities.

Then the Jan. 6 commission. About that day itself, AOC said "I thank heavens that we had a Democratic majority in the House that day, because, frankly, if we didn't, we would have to be relying on a sizable amount of Republican members to do the right thing, and what we've seen in some of their votes is that many of them will fall in line, even if they know it's the wrong thing to do." She went on to say that we don't know what would have happened with certification of the votes if the House had had a Republican majority. As to why some Republicans oppose forming such a commission, she suspects that they don't want certain awkward facts about that day to be brought out in the open.

She then seemed to suspect that the Republicans as a group were not showing much good faith when they demanded a bipartisan commission. After Democrats gave them what they wanted, they rejected it anyway, and they may have done that so that they can blame Democrats for being too partisan.

Then some questions from some reporters. In answer to one question, AOC suspected that what certain people call street-gang activity is too broad, and that that pushes the numbers up.

 

[Derec]

spiritual guidance of her ancestors. (links)" / Twitter

It's funny how silly woo-woo becomes praised on an atheist forum when it's Indian and not Judeo-Christian woo-woo.

Mothers feeding community members in violence prone areas

Chicago still has a ridiculously high rate of shootings.
56 shot, 8 fatally, in Chicago weekend gun violence
Shooting people is hungry work, I guess.

AOC noted that big police budgets have coexisted with increased crime.

NYC and other cities taking crime seriously in the 90s led to a decrease in crime.
Maligning police and cities cutting police budgets led to an increase in crime in 2020 and 2021.

She then noted that alternatives to policing exist that are often successful.

I guess we should have sent in social workers, not police, to respond to the January 6th riot. Or is it that she, like Cori Bush, wants policing to protect herself, and social workers for the hoi poloi.

JB then noted that the NYPD hasn't been defunded, that it has a $11B yearly budget.

Only about half that is actual operational budget, the rest are obligations like pensions and benefits. And Bill deBlowjob cut the budget by $1G. Instead, he is paying thugs protection money.

She and other activists will fight any attempt to return stop-and-frisk, that racist bit of racial targeting from the War on Drugs.

The main point of stop, question and frisk is guns, not weed. Surely she agrees that we need to get illegal guns off the streets?

 

[lpetrich]

Erik Wasson on Twitter: "NEWS: GOP Sen @JerryMoran is wavering is his support of the bipartisan infrastructure deal. He wants assurances from @Sen_JoeManchin and @kyrstensinema that they will oppose reconciliation for him to stay onboard" / Twitter
then
Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez on Twitter: "Wow, who could have possibly predicted that Senate Republicans were wasting months of a Dem majority’s precious time negotiating in bad faith just to suddenly renege on a bipartisan agreement w/ new, mercurial demands after doing exactly the same w the Jan 6th commission " / Twitter
then
Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez on Twitter: "It’s time to move forward, rebuild infrastructure and drawdown carbon, lower the age of Medicare and extend it to cover vision & dental, expand childcare and housing accessibility, and serve the American people. That is bipartisan too, with 2 party support among the electorate." / Twitter

Justice Democrats on Twitter: "It’s time to pass @EdMarkey and @AOC’s Civilian Climate Corps bill. (vid link)" / Twitter
AOC said that the last time the economy was doing well was in the late 1990's. She then noted that many people did the right thing by taking out a lot of student debt in the hope that they would get a good job, but due to the economic slump, they often failed to find such good jobs, and they ended up saddled with a lot of debt. She then advocated a Civilian Climate Corps, doing things like planting trees.

She then she noted that California was using prisoner labor to fight fires.

Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez on Twitter: "We’re working to win a Civilian Climate Corps in the reconciliation package.

The last time the US did this, we employed 2M people and had record success in wildfire suppression - one the most rapid peacetime mobilizations in US history.

We can revive it to fight climate change." / Twitter
Looking back at the original New Deal.

 

[lpetrich]

Trish Turner on Twitter: "@POTUS told the GOP group he would try to move his non-traditional infrastructure thru reconciliation. Capito said that wouldn’t poison the well on this deal, tho. “I mean, why wouldn't we work with the Pres of the United States to improve our infrastructure or make any other...." / Twitter
and
Trish Turner on Twitter: "... improvements in the country? I mean, we know that they have that option, we used that option in 2017.”" / Twitter
then
Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez on Twitter: "Oh look, a receipt! Looks like it’s good for returning the Senate GOP’s excuses for bad faith negotiating" / Twitter


Acyn on Twitter: "Marjorie Taylor Greene calls AOC a little communist and says locking her up is a good idea. She also says AOC isn’t an American (vid link)" / Twitter
and
Acyn on Twitter: "She also said she wants to impeach President Biden, expel Maxine Waters, and fire Dr. Fauci. The crowd chanted lock him up while she pumped her fist in the air. https://t.co/s381rtVtF2" / Twitter

Then
Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez on Twitter: "First of all, I’m taller than her" / Twitter


AP Politics on Twitter: "BREAKING: U.S. Rep. Joe Crowley defeated by young challenger in Democratic primary in New York." / Twitter
then
Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez on Twitter: "Three years ago today.

Not a day goes by where I’m not forever, deeply grateful to our community and movement of everyday people whose contributions, effort, and support sends me to Congress.

Thank you for taking a chance on me, NY-14. Every day is for you " / Twitter

How sweet.

I went to Members of the United States Congress - GovTrack.us to check on her ideology score and her predecessor's score.

Joe Crowley: 2014 0.34, 2016 0.29, 2018 0.31
AOC: 2020 0.09

0 = left, 1 = right

 

[KeepTalking]

It's funny how silly woo-woo becomes praised on an atheist forum when it's Indian and not Judeo-Christian woo-woo.

So, posting a link to a message on a person's Twitter is praising them now? Good to know that every time you post a link to something on a black person's social media, you are praising them.

She then noted that alternatives to policing exist that are often successful.

I guess we should have sent in social workers, not police, to respond to the January 6th riot. Or is it that she, like Cori Bush, wants policing to protect herself, and social workers for the hoi poloi.

What an astoundingly ignorant response.

Intelligent person: "alternatives to policing exist that are often successful"
Ignorant person: "Then why you gots to hire security guards? Hyuk, hyuk, I done owned that libtard good."
Intelligent person: "Finding successful alternatives to policing in certain situations does not mean that traditional policing will be abandoned altogether. Neither does it mean that elected officials should not seek private security when faced with death threats."
Ignorant person: "Good luck getting them there social workers to protect your 'lected officials next time we get to overthrowin' the gubmint... er, I mean riotin' at the capital... dang nabbit, I mean showerin' our affection upon the capital police, hyuk, hyuck."

 

[untermensche]

Capitalists just take.

They serve nobody else but themselves.

Preaching doesn't make it so.

In reality, without capitalists we would be far behind where we are now. They're what drives most large endeavors.

Calling things you don't like "preaching" has very little interest to me.

Mislabeling things is how capitalists operate.

We have a worsening but somewhat decent existence thanks to unions and workers. Thanks to anti-capitalist activity.

But as the unions have been crushed the lifestyle of millions is worsening.

Hard to say what alternatives might have done.

The US violently prevented any alternative. US capitalists have attacked and weakened the unions and the government has not cared.

Ever heard of the Vietnam War?

The crushing of democracy in Iran?

The support of violent dictators in Chile?

The proxy war in Nicaragua?

The refusal to trade with Cuba driving them to the Soviets?