Climate Change(d)?

[Shadowy Man]

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Ocean level rise didn't cause that building to collapse. It was likely the impact of insufficient dewatering of salt water causing corrosion over a period of four decades. People need to be cautious when connecting dots that poorly.

One shouldn't trust Mother Jones to give accurate information on this kind of topic. They have a strong left bias, which contrary to many beliefs here, doesn't mean "truth". People are getting a little out of hand these days with attributing things to "climate change". Kamala Harris said one of the reasons people are leaving Central America to come to the US is "because of climate change". Proof?

This. Climate had nothing to do with the collapse. Salt water is horribly corrosive over time. Don't keep it out, it's going to eat things.

I thought I had read that maybe the swimming pool was slowly leaking into the foundation leading to decay of the rebar in the concrete. But maybe that was just early speculation.

 

[Swammerdami]

https://www.motherjones.com/environ...mail&utm_campaign=daily-newsletter-07-19-2021

By all accounts, the climate crisis is already here. Deadly heat domes across the Pacific Northwest, a petroleum pipeline leak in the middle of the ocean that set the Gulf of Mexico on fire, and the devastating collapse of a Florida condominium in the past few weeks alone have proven that the world is changing in response to how we have changed it.

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Ocean level rise didn't cause that building to collapse. It was likely the impact of insufficient dewatering of salt water causing corrosion over a period of four decades. People need to be cautious when connecting dots that poorly.

You're right. And what's the relevance of the pipeline leak? That paragraph should have been stricken out by a competent editor.

But the rest of the article just reports the comments of sober scientists. Nowhere in the article are the absurd charges in the opening paragraph repeated.

Certainly Mother Jones is a far more credible source than the latest lies from the Koch-Hannity Bullshit Machine.

I agree it is a shame that there is so much misinformation from "both sides." But a case should be judged by the writings of its STRONGEST proponents, not its weakest.

(This is the point I try to make in another thread. Why should crazy rantings that Queen Elizabeth was either a transvestite or the secret mother of Henry Wriothesley be allowed to detract from the research of sober literature scholars?)

 

[T.G.G. Moogly]

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Ocean level rise didn't cause that building to collapse. It was likely the impact of insufficient dewatering of salt water causing corrosion over a period of four decades. People need to be cautious when connecting dots that poorly.

You're right. And what's the relevance of the pipeline leak? That paragraph should have been stricken out by a competent editor.

But the rest of the article just reports the comments of sober scientists. Nowhere in the article are the absurd charges in the opening paragraph repeated.

Certainly Mother Jones is a far more credible source than the latest lies from the Koch-Hannity Bullshit Machine.

I agree it is a shame that there is so much misinformation from "both sides." But a case should be judged by the writings of its STRONGEST proponents, not its weakest.

(This is the point I try to make in another thread. Why should crazy rantings that Queen Elizabeth was either a transvestite or the secret mother of Henry Wriothesley be allowed to detract from the research of sober literature scholars?)

I could post this link in multiple threads. Helps me understand such behavior and identify why and how it occurs.

Neural circuits responsible for conscious self-control are highly vulnerable to even mild stress. When they shut down, primal impulses go unchecked and mental paralysis sets in

 

[Loren Pechtel]

This. Climate had nothing to do with the collapse. Salt water is horribly corrosive over time. Don't keep it out, it's going to eat things.

I thought I had read that maybe the swimming pool was slowly leaking into the foundation leading to decay of the rebar in the concrete. But maybe that was just early speculation.

It's on the beach. Even water that starts out fresh will become salt.

 

[Shadowy Man]

This. Climate had nothing to do with the collapse. Salt water is horribly corrosive over time. Don't keep it out, it's going to eat things.

I thought I had read that maybe the swimming pool was slowly leaking into the foundation leading to decay of the rebar in the concrete. But maybe that was just early speculation.

It's on the beach. Even water that starts out fresh will become salt.

I don’t think it has to be salty water to corrode the rebar. Just standing.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

This. Climate had nothing to do with the collapse. Salt water is horribly corrosive over time. Don't keep it out, it's going to eat things.

I thought I had read that maybe the swimming pool was slowly leaking into the foundation leading to decay of the rebar in the concrete. But maybe that was just early speculation.

It's on the beach. Even water that starts out fresh will become salt.

Water isn't fresh from a pool, it has chlorine... which isn't good for rebar either.

*pause*

Ocean level rise didn't cause that building to collapse. It was likely the impact of insufficient dewatering of salt water causing corrosion over a period of four decades. People need to be cautious when connecting dots that poorly.

You're right. And what's the relevance of the pipeline leak? That paragraph should have been stricken out by a competent editor.

But the rest of the article just reports the comments of sober scientists. Nowhere in the article are the absurd charges in the opening paragraph repeated.

Certainly Mother Jones is a far more credible source than the latest lies from the Koch-Hannity Bullshit Machine.

I agree it is a shame that there is so much misinformation from "both sides." But a case should be judged by the writings of its STRONGEST proponents, not its weakest.

(This is the point I try to make in another thread. Why should crazy rantings that Queen Elizabeth was either a transvestite or the secret mother of Henry Wriothesley be allowed to detract from the research of sober literature scholars?)

I could post this link in multiple threads. Helps me understand such behavior and identify why and how it occurs.

Neural circuits responsible for conscious self-control are highly vulnerable to even mild stress. When they shut down, primal impulses go unchecked and mental paralysis sets in

Another impact of climate change.

 

[southernhybrid]

JFC! Sometimes you people pick out a small controversial statement in an article instead of looking at the big picture. Sure, it's controversial whether or not, the condo collapse was at all influenced by climate change, although "Mother Jones" isn't the only publication that has suggested there was a correlation or might have been a correlation. Do your own search. It's mentioned as a possible influence in several more mainstream journals or sources of news. Still, it's not the primary part of that article. But.....

So, here's another example in a better source, unless you're a Trump supporting cultist, that says it's "possible" that the collapse was partially influenced by climate change.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/07/17/us/miami-building-collapse-condo-surfside.html

It is too soon to say whether climate change contributed to the collapse of the building in Surfside. But the effects of global warming, which include extreme heat and more moisture in the air, cause structures to deteriorate more quickly, according to Jesse Keenan, a professor at Tulane University who specializes in the consequences of climate change for the built environment.

“Climate change is actually accelerating the degradation of buildings,” Dr. Keenan said.

So, it is something to consider, but forget about that one example, climate change is obvious to anyone who isn't a member of the Trump cult or to those who enjoy living in denial. The floods in Germany, China and even New York City, the fires and extreme temps out west and in Canada, the fact that Siberia had extremely high temps never seen before, the melting ice in the Arctic etc. Don't focus on one small part of an article that may not currently have enough evidence to support it, look at the big picture. Climate change is here!

 

[TSwizzle]

Jeezus, the Florida building collapse is the 9/11 truthers conspiracy all over again.

A rapture like cult.

 

[TSwizzle]

Meanwhile it’s a catastrophic 77f in Los Angeles.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Meanwhile it’s a catastrophic 77f in Los Angeles.

Los Angeles is on the ocean, that will moderate the temperature. Over here in Las Vegas we have 104 despite a fair amount of cloud cover. Death Valley had 116.

 

[Shadowy Man]

Meanwhile it’s a catastrophic 77f in Los Angeles.

And that’s probably the high temperature. Think how cold it will get at night!

 

[bilby]

Meanwhile it’s a catastrophic 77f in Los Angeles.

And that’s probably the high temperature. Think how cold it will get at night!

Average annual temperature in California, 1971-1980 average as baseline. Each annual bar is colour coded with each tone representing 2.5 standard deviations from the '71-'80 mean.



Source: https://showyourstripes.info/, as compiled by Prof. Ed Hawkins at the University of Reading using data from NOAA.

 

[TSwizzle]

Meanwhile it’s a catastrophic 77f in Los Angeles.

And that’s probably the high temperature. Think how cold it will get at night!

I know, right ?! I’ll have to put the top up on the car, oh the humanity!!

 

[steve_bank]

Western Washington is doing ok for water supplies, in the news today eastern Washington is running dry.

It is not tomorrow it is today. The thought to be unsinkable Titanic comes to mind.

 

[OLDMAN]

I used to build bridges, some of the rebar is corroded from the start. If you think about the pressure points on structures, it doesn't take much of a shift to have an area fail...and then the dominos fall.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Meanwhile, press starts making news with "heat dome".

It is summer folks, there are heat waves, it happens. What happened in the Pacific Northwest was extremely rare and worth reporting. Bringing up the term "heat dome" every time there is a heat wave, however, starts diminishing the meaning and diluting the importance of reading the news.

 

[TSwizzle]

Reality bites;

Britons are set to be allowed up to five more years before a ban on sales of all new gas boilers comes into force, in a major row-back for Boris Johnson amid a backlash over the soaring cost of 'net zero' ahead of the COP26 climate conference in Glasgow later this year. The Prime Minister is looking at delaying the ban by five years to 2040, in a move which would give millions of UK households more time for new hydrogen boilers and heat-pumps to fall in price, and for businesses to pump more money into shifting people over gradually. The public is set to be incentivised to buy an eco-friendly heat-pump next time their boiler breaks down - but the delay to introducing the ban means working boilers could have to be taken out before 2050, or the UK could fail to hit its 'net zero' carbon emission targets. It comes amid a mounting backlash over the spiralling cost of Mr Johnson's so-called green revolution, with Government insiders fearful that the proposals could add another £400billion on top of the enormous sums accrued during the Covid pandemic. Hydrogen boilers are one of the possible replacements for gas boilers, with others including ground source or air source heat pumps, but these cost upwards of £14,000 or £11,000 respectively.

DailyMail

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Reality bites;

Britons are set to be allowed up to five more years before a ban on sales of all new gas boilers comes into force, in a major row-back for Boris Johnson amid a backlash over the soaring cost of 'net zero' ahead of the COP26 climate conference in Glasgow later this year. The Prime Minister is looking at delaying the ban by five years to 2040, in a move which would give millions of UK households more time for new hydrogen boilers and heat-pumps to fall in price, and for businesses to pump more money into shifting people over gradually. The public is set to be incentivised to buy an eco-friendly heat-pump next time their boiler breaks down - but the delay to introducing the ban means working boilers could have to be taken out before 2050, or the UK could fail to hit its 'net zero' carbon emission targets. It comes amid a mounting backlash over the spiralling cost of Mr Johnson's so-called green revolution, with Government insiders fearful that the proposals could add another £400billion on top of the enormous sums accrued during the Covid pandemic. Hydrogen boilers are one of the possible replacements for gas boilers, with others including ground source or air source heat pumps, but these cost upwards of £14,000 or £11,000 respectively.

DailyMail

Why do you keep using the Daily Fail as a source?

It is a very stupid idea, though--hydrogen is tricky to handle and isn't a power source in the first place.

 

[T.G.G. Moogly]

Reality bites;

Britons are set to be allowed up to five more years before a ban on sales of all new gas boilers comes into force, in a major row-back for Boris Johnson amid a backlash over the soaring cost of 'net zero' ahead of the COP26 climate conference in Glasgow later this year. The Prime Minister is looking at delaying the ban by five years to 2040, in a move which would give millions of UK households more time for new hydrogen boilers and heat-pumps to fall in price, and for businesses to pump more money into shifting people over gradually. The public is set to be incentivised to buy an eco-friendly heat-pump next time their boiler breaks down - but the delay to introducing the ban means working boilers could have to be taken out before 2050, or the UK could fail to hit its 'net zero' carbon emission targets. It comes amid a mounting backlash over the spiralling cost of Mr Johnson's so-called green revolution, with Government insiders fearful that the proposals could add another £400billion on top of the enormous sums accrued during the Covid pandemic. Hydrogen boilers are one of the possible replacements for gas boilers, with others including ground source or air source heat pumps, but these cost upwards of £14,000 or £11,000 respectively.

DailyMail

Why do you keep using the Daily Fail as a source?

It is a very stupid idea, though--hydrogen is tricky to handle and isn't a power source in the first place.

Zeppelins were designed to contain helium, not hydrogen. But the U.S. was the only source of helium in the world and we wouldn't sell. The rest is history.

 

[steve_bank]

There are companies that make hydrogen fuel cells for cars, trucks, and busses. The fundamental issue with fuel cells is it takes electricity to create hydrogen. Its those pesky troublesome Laws Of Thermodynamics.

https://www.ballard.com/