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Afghan "train, advise and assist" 1984 style

Yeah, we need more of what brought us here in the first place because your ego is bruised.

Targeted airstrikes are pretty much the opposite of holding territory with a large number of ground troops.

In any case, is US supposed to do nothing?

Fuck yes. Do nothing. Seeing as you love memes to illustrate your point:

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K0omu7x_LbU[/youtube]

I can't think of a better way of uniting Afghanistan under the leadership of the Taliban with huge anti US sentiment, whilst alienating all near-peer nations in the region than doing what you suggest because your pride has been hurt. Fuck your pride. Better the Taliban, Isis-K, whoever represent the Tajiks and Urdus in the region and whatever is left of Ghani's government fight amongst themselves than unifying with the added bonus of being supremely pissed off with the Western world.

You are advocating strategies to try and secure yesterday, when you should be looking ahead at what is going to happen tomorrow. As for the perception of looking weak, that ship has sailed. Adding petulant to the mix is just downright moronic.
 
US really fucked up the Somali situation. There wasn't any real vetting, and so plenty of Islamists came through, many of whom have joined Al Shabab and ISIS since moving to the US.

If terrorism is your concern, perhaps you're pointing at the wrong danger:
Attorney General Merrick B. Garland and Homeland Security Secretary Alejandro N. Mayorkas told senators on Wednesday that the greatest domestic threat facing the United States came from what they both called “racially or ethnically motivated violent extremists.”

“Specifically those who advocate for the superiority of the white race,” Mr. Garland told the Senate Appropriations Committee.

As to Omar herself, this country would have been far better off if she stayed huddled in that refugee camp instead of being in Congress.
Point on the doll to where Omar hurt you.
That is not to say all Somalis should be excluded. But we need more Ayan Hirsi Alis and no Ilhan Omars, Dolal Idds and so on.
I'd never heard of your heroine, but Wikipedia has much of interest to say about husband. For example, "Niall Ferguson argued that a quintumvirate of Trump, Putin, Xi, May and Le Pen was the world's best hope for peace and prosperity." He advocates replacing essentially ALL federal taxes with a 33% Federal Retail Sales Tax. He opposed the 2009 stimulus expecting interest rates to soar. Et cetera, et cetera. But Derec insists he's not a right-winger! :)

IO then talked about how the US accepted some 15 million immigrants from southern and eastern Europe in the early 20th cy.
Very different situation. First you have an immigrant population from a very similar culture. Second, population of US was only 76 million.
I guess your "early 20th century" figure is from 1900 exactly. Interesting fact: In 1900 the U.S. population was 4.75% of the world total. In 2020 that ratio is down to 4.25%.
 
Trump had no intention of getting our allies out of the country. He destroyed the enhanced visa program for Afghanis.
Afghanis are virtually worthless. I don't think VISA would touch that currency with a 10 foot pole, Trump or no Trump. Maybe a Macy's store card?

For the millionth time, the demonym is AFGHAN. The currency is AFGHANI.

There is the Taliban in Afghanistan and the US "Taliban".

This anti-vaxxer stuff has one good aspect.

The US Taliban has become very easy to spot.

They are the people taking horse medication and not getting the vaccine.

They are the psycho's following Trump to the Capitol and attacking it as some insane way of defending him.
 
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Trausti said:
You don’t hand over $80B in military equipment/arms/etc to the Taliban.
Citation for what ever you are now going off about?
Well, since you seem to have gone silent on this thread, I thought I'd make a point about what I can only guess you are making noise about. What you appear to be worked up about is that the Taliban is taking much of the weaponry that we have provided the Afghan military over the years. So was Pres. Biden supposed to assume that their military would just walk away and let the Taliban take over? And in this assuming, just start attacking the Afghan army that we built up in order to destroy said weapons? If so, that is one strange criticism of the sitting US president... Of course you could try explaining your statement and provide a citation if you mean something else...
 
Wait...fuck the what...how did this thread go down a sex hole...
Certain posters here, when they run out of arguments, tend to make non-sequitur comments about my sex life. It started with Frkki, and even though he is long gone, others have taken up that obsessive mantle.

Yeah, I have unfortunately joined that pile on at least once. FWIW, I have been purposeful in trying to not do that again.

How about you take the whole Muslim refuge bitching to another thread if that is what you want to talk about....
 
No one knows anything about my sex life. I wonder why that is. I guess I should blame Frikki like everyone else does. Damn that Frikki! Never mentioned my sex life before. :flooffrown:
 
and now we have Islamist terrorists with nuclear weapons.

I think we have first strike capability re Pakistan. And should Pakistan fall to Taliban or similar (which still could happen, and might be more likely with Taliban in power next door) it would be wise to avail ourselves of that option.

Pakistan plays musical chairs with it's bombs to avoid them being taken out in a first strike.

And I don't think there would be anything for us to strike, anyway--I suspect Russia and/or China would hit them first.
 
That's what the Taliban are doing, not US.
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Taliban are oppressive and destructive.

Yes.

The US is as bad as the Taliban.

[Citation needed]

When the US attacked Iraq it allowed the museums to be looted.

The US does not care about the culture of Muslims.

The US has provided cover for Israel at the UN as Israel has slowly destroyed Palestinian culture. With US weapons we gave them.
 
No one knows anything about my sex life. I wonder why that is. I guess I should blame Frikki like everyone else does. Damn that Frikki! Never mentioned my sex life before. :flooffrown:

I mentioned stuff during an unrelated discussion and now certain left-wing posters bring it up as a non-sequitur from time to time. It is annoying.
 
They are the psycho's following Trump to the Capitol and attacking it as some insane way of defending him.
Actually Noah Green, the guy who attacked the Capitol in April (and murdered a police officer) was much closer to the "US Taliban" label, being a Muslim nutjob and all.
 
If terrorism is your concern, perhaps you're pointing at the wrong danger:
Yeah, I understand that Dem's keep exaggerating danger of white terrorism while dismissing Islamic terrorism. When Biden talked about the Pulse attack, he did not even mention that it was an Islamic terrorist attack.
Merrick Garland said:
“Specifically those who advocate for the superiority of the white race,” Mr. Garland told the Senate Appropriations Committee.
What about black supremacist groups? Not so long ago a black militia guy murdered a police officer and then hid in a black militia compound in DeKalb County. Why does that type of shit get a pass?

We are coming up on the 20th anniversary of 9/11. How quickly we forget where the real threat comes from.

Point on the doll to where Omar hurt you.
Obviously she did not hurt me personally. But she is a dangerous person. Between her antisemitism and hatred of Israel to her socialist tendencies, she is bad news for this country.

I'd never heard of your heroine,
She has written several books, including the very good "Infidel", about her life and her journey from Islam to atheism. Of course, since she is critical of Islam, she got a lot of flak from the western Left.

but Wikipedia has much of interest to say about husband. For example, "Niall Ferguson argued that a quintumvirate of Trump, Putin, Xi, May and Le Pen was the world's best hope for peace and prosperity." He advocates replacing essentially ALL federal taxes with a 33% Federal Retail Sales Tax. He opposed the 2009 stimulus expecting interest rates to soar. Et cetera, et cetera. But Derec insists he's not a right-winger! :)

I offered AHA as an example of a Somali immigrant who is a secular woman, well integrated into the West, which should be our goal instead of taking in people blindly and thus getting a lot of Islamists.
I never said I agreed in everything with her husband. Btw, he is a senior fellow at the Hoover Institution and has taught at Harvard, so he is certainly no intellectual lightweight.

I guess your "early 20th century" figure is from 1900 exactly. Interesting fact: In 1900 the U.S. population was 4.75% of the world total. In 2020 that ratio is down to 4.25%.
The point is that the population at the start of the 20th century was ~1/4 of what it is today. US needed a lot of immigrants then - we don't need nearly that many now. And as I said, European immigrants share the Western culture with US. Somalis and Afghans do not, and most do not want to adopt it either.
 
You are advocating strategies to try and secure yesterday,
It is a strategy of retaliating against those who attacked US forces. It is necessary to maintain even a semblance of respectability that has taken a hit by the bungled withdrawal.
I doubt it will lead to Taliban and ISIS-K becoming allies.
 
You are advocating strategies to try and secure yesterday,
It is a strategy of retaliating against those who attacked US forces. It is necessary to maintain even a semblance of respectability that has taken a hit by the bungled withdrawal.
I doubt it will lead to Taliban and ISIS-K becoming allies.

You're advocating military action that provides only a minimal PR victory. When has that ever been a sound strategy?
 
You are advocating strategies to try and secure yesterday,
It is a strategy of retaliating against those who attacked US forces. It is necessary to maintain even a semblance of respectability that has taken a hit by the bungled withdrawal.
I doubt it will lead to Taliban and ISIS-K becoming allies.

You're advocating military action that provides only a minimal PR victory. When has that ever been a sound strategy?

And, given gun shot evidence from the 170+ locals who died, one used by those military who responded to the terror.
 
You're advocating military action that provides only a minimal PR victory. When has that ever been a sound strategy?
It was a minimal military action. It was a drone strike, and we got two bad guys. I say that's a success.
 
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