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Another officer not indicted

The line is perfectly clear: Choke holds are against the rules of the NYPD, precisely because it is dangerous. This guy was just one of several officers restraining Garner, who wasn't making any sort of meaningful resistance. The chokehold was illegal, unnecessary, the officer KNEW it was dangerous and could result in death, and WAS the cause of death. This one is absolutely, 100% clear. There is no way this could have happened except by collusion between the prosecutor, the police, and the grand jurors.

I still want to know what the hell we can do about this?

I'm sorry, but what? Clearly this officer is guilty of illegal use of force/excessive force. The question is whether he is guilty of manslaughter or second degree murder. There seems to be no evidence he was trying to kill the man, so murder one is out.

Murder two is also easy to dismiss: the act must constitute depraved indifference, which is defined as "the defendant's conduct must be 'so wanton, so deficient in a moral sense of concern, so lacking in regard for the life or lives of others, and so blameworthy as to warrant the same criminal liability as that which the law imposes upon a person who intentionally causes a crime. Depraved indifference focuses on the risk created by the defendant’s conduct, not the injuries actually resulting.

In one case, People v Register, 60 NY2d 273, 469 NYS2d 599 (1983),while exploring the meaning of "depraved indifference recklessness" the Court of Appeals ruled that intoxication is not a defense or excuse to "depraved mind murder," although it may be to intentional murder. Its analysis started with distinguishing reckless manslaughter from the "depraved indifference recklessness" necessary for murder:

"to bring defendant’s conduct within the murder statute, the People were required to establish also that defendant’s act was imminently dangerous and presented a very high risk of death to others and that it was committed under circumstances which evidenced a wanton indifference to human life or a depravity of mind. . . . . The crime differs from intentional murder in that it results not from a specific, conscious intent to cause death, but from an indifference to or disregard of the risks attending defendant’s conduct." 60 NY2d at 274."

http://definitions.uslegal.com/d/depraved-indifference/

It would be nearly impossible to demonstrate his mind was in a "depraved state" or he had a wanton indifference. The most likely explanation for his actions were that he was trying to subdue the man for arrest and choose a very stupid method to do so, not that he was trying to punish the man by putting him in a situation for high risk of death, and was not consciously aware that "my conduct could lead to the death of this man".

To secure a manslaughter charge in the first degree, you have to prove intent to cause serious injury. It is _not_ 100% clear that he _intended_ to cause injury. The more plausible explanation is that he intended to subdue the man for arrest and chose a stupid and illegal method to do so.

To secure a manslaughter charge in the second degree, he has to recklessly cause the death of another person.

The two elements that must be proven was that he was reckless in his actions and that the actions caused the death of the man.

Typically, to demonstrate an action was the cause of something, the "but for" test is used. "But for the choke-hold, the man wouldn't have died". In this case, this would be very difficult to demonstrate. The man was in poor health. Perhaps it was the actions of the other officers that triggered his heart attack (his chest was compressed as the other offers were on top of him trying to arrest him). The autopsy report says that his compressed chest was a contributory factor. May he have stilll had the heart attack and died in the absence of the choke-hold? It is _not_ 100% clear like you seem to imagine.

The other aspect that would need to be proved is whether his actions were "reckless".

According to Section 15.05 of the NY State Penal Code, a person acts "recklessly" with respect to a result or circumstance when he or she is "aware of and consciously disregards a substantial and unjustifiable risk that such result will occur or that such circumstance exists." The risk that the person creates must be of such nature or magnitude that his or her disregard of it constitutes a "gross deviation from the standard of conduct that a reasonable person would observe in the situation."

Even this would be hard to prove beyond a reasonable doubt, although I think it is easier than proving that the chokehold was the cause of the death. The action is a gross deviation from the standard of conduct police officers are supposed to engage in. However, the hardest part to demonstrate is the "awareness and conscious disregard of a substantial and unjustifiable risk". This can probably be proven if he was trained to not use chokeholds and was trained in other methods to deal with the situation.

In conclusion, your "100% clear" claim is baseless. The legal system has lots of protections for the accused, whether they are a cop or an ordinary citizen.

Even still, I'm baffled as to why some sort of assault or illegal use of force charge is not being pursued. Illegal use of force should at least deserve a firing and some prison time.
 
To secure a manslaughter charge in the second degree, he has to recklessly cause the death of another person

He used a dangerous technique that was banned because it was dangerous, and he knew it, and it caused the death of another person.

Sounds like recklessly causing the death of another person to me.
 
But Sarpedon, Garner had hangnails! How do you know those didn't contribute to his death? Huh? Huh, smart guy!?
 
To secure a manslaughter charge in the second degree, he has to recklessly cause the death of another person

He used a dangerous technique that was banned because it was dangerous, and he knew it, and it caused the death of another person.

Sounds like recklessly causing the death of another person to me.

I agree that the reckless part would be the easier part to demonstrate at least with the probable cause threshold for a grand jury indictment. A little more difficult for beyond reasonable doubt threshold in a trial, but perhaps still doable. I'm guessing the hardest part to demonstrate would be that the act was the cause of the death. He didn't die from asphyxiation (which would far more clearly indicate that the choke-hold caused the death), but rather complications from a heart attack endured. Had the choke-hold not been conducted, would the man be alive today? He very well could be. However, it's not 100% clear. His poor health, the stress of the situation, and the compressed chest caused by the other officers could still have triggered the heart attack. Even had he been indicted, there is just about no chance he could've been proven guilty beyond reasonable doubt. His defense attorney would've hammered endlessly on this point. I'm uncertain whether he should've been indicted or not, it's a close call. But it seems like it would've served very little purpose seeing as to the near certainty he wouldn't have been convicted.

The family will need to sue him civilly for damages. The threshold is far easier for such a case. No need to demonstrate that his actions were the cause, but just a contributory cause and that he was reckless.

I think people have a hard time clearly understanding that our criminal justice system is of such a high standard, that the majority of the criminals get away with their crime due to insufficient evidence to prove every element of the crime beyond reasonable doubt.
 
http://www.theatlantic.com/national...-garner-grand-jury-no-indictment-nypd/383392/

On Wednesday, a grand jury decided not to indict Daniel Pantaleo, the plainclothes NYPD officer who was making the arrest.

. . .

Garner has harrowing digital footprints. His attempted arrest and death was capture on a widely-disseminated video. His final words were “I can’t breathe.”

In the aftermath of the verdict, many will likely point to the fact that the coroner's report ruled Garner's death a homicide, and that chokeholds are expressly forbidden by the NYPD. As the New York Daily News pointed out, the autopsy also "determined the victim’s asthma, obesity and high blood pressure were also contributing factors in his death." Some will cite the police claims that Garner was resisting arrest. Others are already complaining that body cameras are apparently not the answer.

In this case you have a coroner ruling it a homicide and the officer using a takedown method forbidden in his department's policy. And yet the prosecutor couldn't manage an indictment.

I'm starting to think that when law officers are involved we should use special prosecutors to indict instead of relying on prosecutors that work day in and day out with these officers.

Personally I'm in favor of another solution. Right now the public prosecutor has a monopoly on deciding whether or not to file criminal charges. That should be changed. We the people should be allowed to file criminal charges, but with a few caveats.

1. Loser pays. This will control the spurious filing of criminal charges.
2. The public prosecutor can join the case but cannot take over the case. This will prevent the prosecutor taking over for the sole purpose of dismissing the charges.
3. Double jeopardy laws remain in effect. That way if someone wins their case a refiling by a different party is not allowed.
4. Cases of this nature can only be filed against government employees at first. They are the ones who appear immune to any legal repercussions for their actions, they are the ones who need to be the target of this the most. Once people get used to this, give it about a decade, the gates can be thrown wide open.
5. Government employees so accused can only use government lawyers to defend them if they use the Public Defenders office, and only if they meet the income requirements to do so. Most government employees have way too high an income to qualify for the public defender, and this prevents prosecutors from acting as the defense attorney. Plus it would benefit most of them to learn the ruinous cost of an attorney for those who are too poor to be considered wealthy but too rich to afford a public defender.

And before anyone says this sounds like mayhem and anarchy, it already exists in some countries in the Anglosphere, just not in the US.
 
The way he was subdued is illegal. Chokeholds are illegal.
1. There is some debate whether the way Garner was subdued was a choke hold as defined by the policy.
2. Afaik, choke holds are only against NYPD policy, not against the law. I think that makes a big difference.

And Garners offense was selling loose cigarettes, which many bodegas and smoke shops here do, illegally.
Tu quoque much?

"Criminal" is a bit strong.
Actually he was a repeat offender.

Besides, he had just broken up a street fight. We need people like that.
Doesn't justify other things he did. In any case, he should not have resisted the arrest, especially knowing his health problems.

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Then you disagree with the coroner that Garner's death was a homicide?
I think the definition of homicide used by the coroner is much broader than the colloquial one.
 
Horatio Parker said:
Something even more formal less ad hoc: the dreaded-by-police Outside Agency eg Civilian Review Board

There we go. Where do I sign up for this? I shall write to all my reps once I am more composed.
 
So, the police officer used a technique that has been explicitly banned specifically because it can cause death and you would claim that the police officer holds no culpability?
Has it been established whether it was a chokehold as defined by the NYPD policy or whether it was an allowed headlock? I recall there has been some back and forth on that when the case first happened.
Also, if chokeholds are merely banned as a matter of policy and not law, then any culpability is surely a matter of NYPD discipline and not of criminal charges.
 
Unless you can show that under NY law that bootlegging cigarettes is a capital crime without any chance of appeal, your response has no merit to this situation.
He died accidentally (because of his health problems) while resisting a legal arrest. No resisting arrest, no dead Eric Garner - a simple equation.
There is no question of police officers intending to kill Eric Garner. There is even less question of anyone executing him. Therefore your hysteria over "capital crime" and "no chance of appeal" is just that.
 
Then you disagree with the coroner that Garner's death was a homicide?
I think the definition of homicide used by the coroner is much broader than the colloquial one.

or maybe it's not

Medical Examiners' and Coroners' Handbook on Death Registration and Fetal Death Reporting (2003 Rev.)

Homicide—‘‘occurs when death results from...’’ an injury or poisoning or from ‘‘...a volitional act committed by another person to cause fear, harm, or death. Intent to cause death is a common element but is not required for classification as homicide.’’
 
I think the definition of homicide used by the coroner is much broader than the colloquial one.

or maybe it's not

Medical Examiners' and Coroners' Handbook on Death Registration and Fetal Death Reporting (2003 Rev.)

Homicide—‘‘occurs when death results from...’’ an injury or poisoning or from ‘‘...a volitional act committed by another person to cause fear, harm, or death. Intent to cause death is a common element but is not required for classification as homicide.’’

I do not think scaring someone to death (also possible with someone with a bum ticker) would fall under the colloquial definition of "homicide". And neither would a normally non-lethal action that results in a fatal heart attack of a significantly ill individual.

Can we all agree that Garner should not have resisted arrest?
 
I guess the M.E. should have consulted you then.
 
or maybe it's not

Medical Examiners' and Coroners' Handbook on Death Registration and Fetal Death Reporting (2003 Rev.)

Homicide—‘‘occurs when death results from...’’ an injury or poisoning or from ‘‘...a volitional act committed by another person to cause fear, harm, or death. Intent to cause death is a common element but is not required for classification as homicide.’’

I do not think scaring someone to death (also possible with someone with a bum ticker) would fall under the colloquial definition of "homicide". And neither would a normally non-lethal action that results in a fatal heart attack of a significantly ill individual.

Can we all agree that Garner should not have resisted arrest?

Can we all agree that the police didn't give the situation enough time?
 
Is there a report on what specific charges, if any, were sought by the prosecutor from the grand jury? Don't really know what would fit here. It may be a homicide to the extent that someone with serious pre-existing medical issues was put into a physical position that would not be detrimental to a healthy person. (Note there is no criminal charge of simply "homicide.") But was the conduct of this particular police officer (1) criminal and (2) the proximate cause of death? At least 12 jurors on this grand jury apparently didn't think so.
 
Garner was a criminal. It is obvious from the video that he resisted arrest. He was much bigger than the cops who tried to subdue him.
And the reason he died were his underlying health problems, not the way he was subdued. It's not like he was choked to death, it's that he had a cardiac arrest while struggling with the police while having asthma and a heart condition.

While placed in a choke hold by said police officers.
 
Unless you can show that under NY law that bootlegging cigarettes is a capital crime without any chance of appeal, your response has no merit to this situation.
Got to go with this one. We keep hearing how Michael Brown, Trayvon Martin and the likes were CRIMINALS, but never how they were simply pathetic petty criminals*.

Trayvon Martin was not a criminal in any way whatsoever. I know you know that, but I have to say it anyway because...
 
Garner was a criminal. It is obvious from the video that he resisted arrest. He was much bigger than the cops who tried to subdue him.
And the reason he died were his underlying health problems, not the way he was subdued. It's not like he was choked to death, it's that he had a cardiac arrest while struggling with the police while having asthma and a heart condition.

So, the police officer used a technique that has been explicitly banned specifically because it can cause death and you would claim that the police officer holds no culpability?

If a choke-hold kills you you're not going to say "I can't breathe" because you're not going to be able to say anything.
 
I'm guessing the hardest part to demonstrate would be that the act was the cause of the death. He didn't die from asphyxiation (which would far more clearly indicate that the choke-hold caused the death), but rather complications from a heart attack endured. Had the choke-hold not been conducted, would the man be alive today? He very well could be. However, it's not 100% clear. His poor health, the stress of the situation, and the compressed chest caused by the other officers could still have triggered the heart attack. Even had he been indicted, there is just about no chance he could've been proven guilty beyond reasonable doubt. His defense attorney would've hammered endlessly on this point. I'm uncertain whether he should've been indicted or not, it's a close call. But it seems like it would've served very little purpose seeing as to the near certainty he wouldn't have been convicted.

Exactly. How do we know it was the choke-hold as opposed to the overall stress? And the latter is certainly legal. I see plenty of reasonable doubt, thus no conviction.
 
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