University of Otago student association gives "sportswoman of the year" award to a man.

[Metaphor]

Your fsith there is no errir makes it one.

Thete is no incohetence excrpt fir your claim of incohetence.

No.

There is no such right as your insist.

I don't know if this new batch of misspelled words is another dig at me but if you are intoxicated or need rest I suggest posting at another time.

 

[laughing dog]

Your fsith there is no errir makes it one.

Thete is no incohetence excrpt fir your claim of incohetence.

No.

There is no such right as your insist.

I don't know if this new batch of misspelled words is another dig at me but if you are intoxicated or need rest I suggest posting at another time.

Reading your increasingly faith-driven responses makes me wish I intoxicated. Then again, I am not drunk enough to think I can create rights.

 

[Toni]

Your fsith there is no errir makes it one.

Thete is no incohetence excrpt fir your claim of incohetence.

No.

There is no such right as your insist.

I don't know if this new batch of misspelled words is another dig at me but if you are intoxicated or need rest I suggest posting at another time.

my guess is that LD is typing on his phone and his fingers are off a letter. At least that's what it looks like based on when I do the same thing...

 

[Toni]

Lauren Hubbard, the team physician, the Olympic committee and doubtless many others have verified that Lauren Hubbard is a woman. Presumably they are more informed about Hubbard’s physical characteristics than you are. Unless you can produce evidence to the contrary.

They have not done any such thing. They have verified that Laurel Hubbard is a transwoman who met the IOC criteria necessary to compete against women. That means they have acknowledged that Laurel Hubbard is a man, as transwomen are men.

You have produced nothing but your personal assertions in contradiction to my statements.

You claim Lauren Hubbard is a man---because you say she is a man.

You claim that Lauren Hubbard has not been verified as a woman but with no citation.

Your bigotry against trans individuals does not take the place of rational opinion.

 

[Metaphor]

Lauren Hubbard, the team physician, the Olympic committee and doubtless many others have verified that Lauren Hubbard is a woman. Presumably they are more informed about Hubbard’s physical characteristics than you are. Unless you can produce evidence to the contrary.

They have not done any such thing. They have verified that Laurel Hubbard is a transwoman who met the IOC criteria necessary to compete against women. That means they have acknowledged that Laurel Hubbard is a man, as transwomen are men.

You have produced nothing but your personal assertions in contradiction to my statements.

You claim Lauren Hubbard is a man---because you say she is a man.

You claim that Lauren Hubbard has not been verified as a woman but with no citation.

Your bigotry against trans individuals does not take the place of rational opinion.

I have explained multiple times now. If you cannot understand the steps, I am sorry for your lack of comprehension.

By the way, his name is Laurel, not Lauren.

 

[Toni]

You have produced nothing but your personal assertions in contradiction to my statements.

You claim Lauren Hubbard is a man---because you say she is a man.

You claim that Lauren Hubbard has not been verified as a woman but with no citation.

Your bigotry against trans individuals does not take the place of rational opinion.

I have explained multiple times now. If you cannot understand the steps, I am sorry for your lack of comprehension.

By the way, his name is Laurel, not Lauren.

Your assertions are not a means of establishing fact.

 

[repoman]

Can we just admit this is all political?

Holy shit the bad faith and lawyer like wordsmithing from the "left" is crazy.

As a matter of fact this person is XY chromosomed. Whatever the psychological issues driving the person (which should not be looked at judgmentally) this person is male.

There are a lot of sane trans people who are fully accepting that they can never fully be the sex they want to be.

 

[Toni]

Can we just admit this is all political?

Holy shit the bad faith and lawyer like wordsmithing from the "left" is crazy.

As a matter of fact this person is XY chromosomed. Whatever the psychological issues driving the person (which should not be looked at judgmentally) this person is male.

There are a lot of sane trans people who are fully accepting that they can never fully be the sex they want to be.

You don’t know what this person’s chromosomal array is—you are making an assumption.

Of course this is political! Women’s bodies have always been scrutinized far more closely than have the bodies of men, particularly in sports. This includes but is not limited to levels of testosterone present. If Laurel Hubbard satisfied the Olympic committee that she is a woman, that is something the world will just have to accept.

 

[repoman]

Can we just admit this is all political?

Holy shit the bad faith and lawyer like wordsmithing from the "left" is crazy.

As a matter of fact this person is XY chromosomed. Whatever the psychological issues driving the person (which should not be looked at judgmentally) this person is male.

There are a lot of sane trans people who are fully accepting that they can never fully be the sex they want to be.

You don’t know what this person’s chromosomal array is—you are making an assumption.

Of course this is political! Women’s bodies have always been scrutinized far more closely than have the bodies of men, particularly in sports. This includes but is not limited to levels of testosterone present. If Laurel Hubbard satisfied the Olympic committee that she is a woman, that is something the world will just have to accept.

Fuck authority you are bootlicking.

 

[TomC]

You claim that Lauren Hubbard has not been verified as a woman but with no citation.

Nope.
The evidence was provided, and nobody questioned it.

Hubbard was born with a male physique. His name was Gavin and he was in competition in the male division.

The IOC and Otago can redefine woman if they want. But it won't change the reality. Which includes the damage done to women in sports, who are being forced to compete against men like Hubbard.
Tom


ETA ~Nothing to do with religion, despite all the insulting assertions made on that score.~

 

[Emily Lake]

And this demonstrates my point. This fixation that some people have about finding news on trans people is kinda peculiar. Yup. Very peculiar I'd say. This incredible concern some people have about how others may have sex or view gender that some people perceived as not normal.

Hmm. Rather than making malicious assumptions, it might behoove you to understand *why* trans-related issues are a big deal to many people.

I'm all for transgender people being treated with respect and dignity, not denied housing or employment, etc. But I'm also rather strongly against self-declaration alone granting a person legal status as the opposite (or no) sex. And I'm vehemently opposed to self-declared transwomen in prison being transferred to female wards while having fully functional male genitalia.

 

[Emily Lake]

Lauren Hubbard, the team physician, the Olympic committee and doubtless many others have verified that Lauren Hubbard is a woman. Presumably they are more informed about Hubbard’s physical characteristics than you are. Unless you can produce evidence to the contrary.

What physical characteristics does Hubbard have that makes them a woman, in your view?

 

[Emily Lake]

You don’t know what this person’s chromosomal array is—you are making an assumption.

Are you of the opinion that Hubbard has lied about their own genetic make-up? Or that they and their family and doctors are mistaken and that Hubbard has a secret DSD that has never expressed in any way?

Hubbard is, by their own admission, male. They are a male that transitioned to live as a woman.

If Laurel Hubbard satisfied the Olympic committee that she is a woman, that is something the world will just have to accept.

Hubbard didn't satisfy the Olympic committee that they are a woman. Hubbard satisfied the Olympic committee that their testosterone levels were within the designated range to allow them to compete against females as a transwoman.

The Olympic committee is quite well aware that Hubbard is a male. Hubbard's participation was a significant contributor to the OIC revising their participation guidelines for transgender people.

 

[Playball40]

This fixation that some people have about finding news on trans people is kinda peculiar. Yup. Very peculiar I'd say.

Completely agree.

 

[Arctish]

Lauren Hubbard, the team physician, the Olympic committee and doubtless many others have verified that Lauren Hubbard is a woman. Presumably they are more informed about Hubbard’s physical characteristics than you are. Unless you can produce evidence to the contrary.

What physical characteristics does Hubbard have that makes them a woman, in your view?

We don't know what physical characteristics Hubbard has. We don't know if Hubbard has an intersex chromosome configuration or if she's had body modifications, whether she's receiving hormone replacement therapy, or anything, really.

 

[TomC]

Lauren Hubbard, the team physician, the Olympic committee and doubtless many others have verified that Lauren Hubbard is a woman. Presumably they are more informed about Hubbard’s physical characteristics than you are. Unless you can produce evidence to the contrary.

What physical characteristics does Hubbard have that makes them a woman, in your view?

We don't know what physical characteristics Hubbard has. We don't know if Hubbard has an intersex chromosome configuration or if she's had body modifications, whether she's receiving hormone replacement therapy, or anything, really.

We don't know whether Jesus died on a cross and was Resurrected a day and a half later. But there is evidence on the subject.
Tom

 

[Metaphor]

Lauren Hubbard, the team physician, the Olympic committee and doubtless many others have verified that Lauren Hubbard is a woman. Presumably they are more informed about Hubbard’s physical characteristics than you are. Unless you can produce evidence to the contrary.

What physical characteristics does Hubbard have that makes them a woman, in your view?

We don't know what physical characteristics Hubbard has. We don't know if Hubbard has an intersex chromosome configuration or if she's had body modifications, whether she's receiving hormone replacement therapy, or anything, really.

Hubbard was born male and competed in male sporting events until 2012. Since humans cannot change sex, Hubbard is still male, and therefore, a man.

 

[Emily Lake]

Lauren Hubbard, the team physician, the Olympic committee and doubtless many others have verified that Lauren Hubbard is a woman. Presumably they are more informed about Hubbard’s physical characteristics than you are. Unless you can produce evidence to the contrary.

What physical characteristics does Hubbard have that makes them a woman, in your view?

We don't know what physical characteristics Hubbard has. We don't know if Hubbard has an intersex chromosome configuration or if she's had body modifications, whether she's receiving hormone replacement therapy, or anything, really.

Walk me through this, if you please. Hubbard describes themself as a transwoman. Hubbard has shared with the whole world that they spent the first 30+ years of their life perceived as and treated as a man, and that the doctor that delivered them observed them to be male.

You have no information about whether they have had any HRT or surgery in order to transition... but you uncritically and without question accept them as a "woman" and challenge anyone who recognizes them as a "man"?

They lived as a man for the vast majority of their life, they competed as a man, they went through puberty as a man, and frankly, they look like a man. But you accept complete and without reservation that they are a woman.

What information do you have that leads you to conclude that they are a woman?

 

[Jarhyn]

Wow, not going to read the path this thread took to get here but it is DEEP in "stupid".

IFF this person is playing sports in a sporting way, AND they are participating in such a capacity as they are not under the influence of testosterone and it's performance enhancing effects AND have been abstaining, as such, for a period as acceptable for any athlete in the league who has in their past used steroids, then they deserve an award for sporting conduct befitting the league and identity.

I don't know that this athlete has satisfied my expectations for period of abstinence, which would probably sit at around 7 years. I suspect they have not.

See, it's fairly well possible to cast a die and make a judgement without being TERF or TECA (trans-exclusionist conservative asshole).

Now let's see who proudly stands to be a TERF or TECA as the case may be, of their own volition, knowing they don't have to be...

 

[Keith&Co.]

We don't know what physical characteristics Hubbard has. We don't know if Hubbard has an intersex chromosome configuration or if she's had body modifications, whether she's receiving hormone replacement therapy, or anything, really.

Walk me through this, if you please. Hubbard describes themself as a transwoman. Hubbard has shared with the whole world that they spent the first 30+ years of their life perceived as and treated as a man, and that the doctor that delivered them observed them to be male.

You have no information about whether they have had any HRT or surgery in order to transition... but you uncritically and without question accept them as a "woman" and challenge anyone who recognizes them as a "man"?

They lived as a man for the vast majority of their life, they competed as a man, they went through puberty as a man, and frankly, they look like a man. But you accept complete and without reservation that they are a woman.

What information do you have that leads you to conclude that they are a woman?

I was born a virgin. I lived 22 years of my life as a virgin. My Church accepted me as a virgin. My parents. Most of the small town i grew up in.

At some point, though, i realized i was not comfortable as a virgin. Probably 9th grade.
But society, my church, and my parents were not really open to my desire to change, not then. I was judged harshly for expressing my true feelings.

Anyway, i have the wife and three kids. No one calls or treats me as a virgin, not any more. But if it's important to you that 'most of their life' as something is important, when do you think i stopped being a virgin?
Would i have to wait 23 years, until i could say i had spent most of my life non-virginal? Or just when i took steps to change my status?
I just don't get that part of your objection, not at all.