Is a vaccine mandate a racist policy?

[Metaphor]

1 it is in the news papers, it's common knowledge
2 the staff at the wherever can say there is a delay in care due to covid, there aren't any services we can offer YOU at this time
3 yeah he guessed that what he was reading in the papers was true after getting to the hospital and they refused care
Did he ask why?

He wasn't refused care. His son's care was triaged. He wrote:

"The ER was overwhelmed with unvaccinated COVID patients".

I can't tell from looking at somebody their vaccination status or their COVID status. It would be a rare talent indeed.

But I don't think he has that ability. Nor do I think somebody told him the presenting problems and medical history of the people in the ER. I think he guessed.

Triage only happens when medical capabilities are currently overloaded. (Note that "medical capabilities" is very broad in this context.)

Triage happens all day, every day, in every hospital emergency room on earth.

For fuck's sake the level of mental gymnastics. ARE YOU NOT DIZZY?

Really? You sure about that? You've been to exactly how many ERs? FWIW, I can attest that 'triage' doesn't happen at every ER every day of the year. AT least twice I brought in a child with an injury needing immediate medical help and....we were seen right away because there was literally no one in the waiting area when we went in. No. One.

Yes, I am sure of it. Every ER room needs and has a triage system.

 

[Metaphor]

But your analogy doesn't make sense. I have never been against quarantining people who have an infectious disease. I am against quarantining people who don't have the disease.

The problem is people don't know they have Covid. It's contagious before it shows symptoms. That's why it exploded across the world while SARS was stopped.

Being vaxxed does not change your level of awareness about having COVID.

With a communicable virus, they are not only taking unnecessary risk for themselves, but for everyone around them. Just like a person who takes an unnecessary risk by driving at high speed, exceeding the speed limit, on a crowded highway. You are advocating that we let them be a danger to everyone because they might become distressed by being forced to slow down.

People without COVID are not a danger to anybody in transmitting COVID.

You don't seem to understand the key issue here--people can't know they don't have Covid, thus this comparison is irrelevant.

I understand the issue. I reject forcing other people to get a medical procedure for your benefit.

Of course there could be long term effects from having had COVID. But the people who choose not to be vaccinated have decided that they are willing to take that risk for themselves.

They can choose to take the risk for themselves--but they don't get to choose to take it for others.

How about we make it a bit more fair--a lottery. Every person who refuses the vaccine is in the lottery. Every time someone who is vaccinated dies a name is drawn and that person is executed.

Hell, why not combine the lottery with house arrest? But the execution should be televised, and particularly inhumane and gruesome, to warn all the other people who refuse to be coerced into a medical procedure on their body.

Yes, you have somehow come to the conclusion that psychological harm, no matter the extent, is worse than death. That is not a view I have seen espoused from many people. In fact, in my experience, that makes you quite unique.

No, I do not mean that all psychological harm is worse than death.

You have described the lives of people forced to be vaccinated as wretched.

Toni's indefinite house arrest plan would make the lives of the unvaccinated wretched.

Not at all! For one thing, there is something very specific and free! that they can do in order to enjoy free movement. Something that I don't enjoy now, even though I am vaccinated and about to get my booster shot. Nope: I still constrain my movements, limit my opportunities to socialize or interact with other people, purchase household goods and engage in other everyday, ordinary activities BECAUSE OF ASSHOLES WHO WON'T GET VAXXED. Not CAN'T. WON'T.

That you constrain your own movements is up to you.

 

[ZiprHead]

1 it is in the news papers, it's common knowledge
2 the staff at the wherever can say there is a delay in care due to covid, there aren't any services we can offer YOU at this time
3 yeah he guessed that what he was reading in the papers was true after getting to the hospital and they refused care
Did he ask why?

He wasn't refused care. His son's care was triaged. He wrote:

"The ER was overwhelmed with unvaccinated COVID patients".

I can't tell from looking at somebody their vaccination status or their COVID status. It would be a rare talent indeed.

But I don't think he has that ability. Nor do I think somebody told him the presenting problems and medical history of the people in the ER. I think he guessed.

Triage only happens when medical capabilities are currently overloaded. (Note that "medical capabilities" is very broad in this context.)

Triage happens all day, every day, in every hospital emergency room on earth.

For fuck's sake the level of mental gymnastics. ARE YOU NOT DIZZY?

Really? You sure about that? You've been to exactly how many ERs? FWIW, I can attest that 'triage' doesn't happen at every ER every day of the year. AT least twice I brought in a child with an injury needing immediate medical help and....we were seen right away because there was literally no one in the waiting area when we went in. No. One.

Yes, I am sure of it. Every ER room needs and has a triage system.

But they don't have to use it unless they are busy.

 

[Toni]

1 it is in the news papers, it's common knowledge
2 the staff at the wherever can say there is a delay in care due to covid, there aren't any services we can offer YOU at this time
3 yeah he guessed that what he was reading in the papers was true after getting to the hospital and they refused care
Did he ask why?

He wasn't refused care. His son's care was triaged. He wrote:

"The ER was overwhelmed with unvaccinated COVID patients".

I can't tell from looking at somebody their vaccination status or their COVID status. It would be a rare talent indeed.

But I don't think he has that ability. Nor do I think somebody told him the presenting problems and medical history of the people in the ER. I think he guessed.

Triage only happens when medical capabilities are currently overloaded. (Note that "medical capabilities" is very broad in this context.)

Triage happens all day, every day, in every hospital emergency room on earth.

For fuck's sake the level of mental gymnastics. ARE YOU NOT DIZZY?

Really? You sure about that? You've been to exactly how many ERs? FWIW, I can attest that 'triage' doesn't happen at every ER every day of the year. AT least twice I brought in a child with an injury needing immediate medical help and....we were seen right away because there was literally no one in the waiting area when we went in. No. One.

Yes, I am sure of it. Every ER room needs and has a triage system.

Not quite what you wrote above....

 

[Toni]

But your analogy doesn't make sense. I have never been against quarantining people who have an infectious disease. I am against quarantining people who don't have the disease.

The problem is people don't know they have Covid. It's contagious before it shows symptoms. That's why it exploded across the world while SARS was stopped.

Being vaxxed does not change your level of awareness about having COVID.

With a communicable virus, they are not only taking unnecessary risk for themselves, but for everyone around them. Just like a person who takes an unnecessary risk by driving at high speed, exceeding the speed limit, on a crowded highway. You are advocating that we let them be a danger to everyone because they might become distressed by being forced to slow down.

People without COVID are not a danger to anybody in transmitting COVID.

You don't seem to understand the key issue here--people can't know they don't have Covid, thus this comparison is irrelevant.

I understand the issue. I reject forcing other people to get a medical procedure for your benefit.

Of course there could be long term effects from having had COVID. But the people who choose not to be vaccinated have decided that they are willing to take that risk for themselves.

They can choose to take the risk for themselves--but they don't get to choose to take it for others.

How about we make it a bit more fair--a lottery. Every person who refuses the vaccine is in the lottery. Every time someone who is vaccinated dies a name is drawn and that person is executed.

Hell, why not combine the lottery with house arrest? But the execution should be televised, and particularly inhumane and gruesome, to warn all the other people who refuse to be coerced into a medical procedure on their body.

Yes, you have somehow come to the conclusion that psychological harm, no matter the extent, is worse than death. That is not a view I have seen espoused from many people. In fact, in my experience, that makes you quite unique.

No, I do not mean that all psychological harm is worse than death.

You have described the lives of people forced to be vaccinated as wretched.

Toni's indefinite house arrest plan would make the lives of the unvaccinated wretched.

Not at all! For one thing, there is something very specific and free! that they can do in order to enjoy free movement. Something that I don't enjoy now, even though I am vaccinated and about to get my booster shot. Nope: I still constrain my movements, limit my opportunities to socialize or interact with other people, purchase household goods and engage in other everyday, ordinary activities BECAUSE OF ASSHOLES WHO WON'T GET VAXXED. Not CAN'T. WON'T.

That you constrain your own movements is up to you.

How do you know? How do you know that I am not living with a medically vulnerable person? Someone with cancer or a compromised immune system? You don't know.


The movements of every person who has a compromised immune system or serious asthma or who lives with them has their movements constrained if they want to avoid exposure to the virus from unvaccinated persons. That threat is very real. See: Colin Powell, who certainly had the best possible medical care and was fully vaccinated--and still got sick from someone who was not so responsible.

What about the parents of young children? Or ANY young child whose school might close down because of an outbreak? They MUST constrain their movements, take time from work or work from home or have some kind of similar arrangement. A friend was forced to take 2 weeks off when her high school aged daughter was exposed to COVID19 at school. Her whole household was quarantined, so her husband had to work remotely (her job cannot be performed remotely). Fortunately, their older son was away at college--and could not come home during this time period. There are families who are separated by international borders because of unvaccinated people prolonging the pandemic. A friend who was born internationally and is working in the US cannot yet bring his family over because of the pandemic. Only recently was my friend able to visit her mother in her mother's nursing home because of the pandemic. Both my friend and her mother are vaccinated and were vaccinated the second they were able to be vaccinated. LOTS of people are separated from family and loved ones because of the pandemic. The whole world is still undergoing all sorts of constraints because of those who refuse to vaccinate and who won't stay home or wear masks appropriately.

 

[Metaphor]

1 it is in the news papers, it's common knowledge
2 the staff at the wherever can say there is a delay in care due to covid, there aren't any services we can offer YOU at this time
3 yeah he guessed that what he was reading in the papers was true after getting to the hospital and they refused care
Did he ask why?

He wasn't refused care. His son's care was triaged. He wrote:

"The ER was overwhelmed with unvaccinated COVID patients".

I can't tell from looking at somebody their vaccination status or their COVID status. It would be a rare talent indeed.

But I don't think he has that ability. Nor do I think somebody told him the presenting problems and medical history of the people in the ER. I think he guessed.

Triage only happens when medical capabilities are currently overloaded. (Note that "medical capabilities" is very broad in this context.)

Triage happens all day, every day, in every hospital emergency room on earth.

For fuck's sake the level of mental gymnastics. ARE YOU NOT DIZZY?

Really? You sure about that? You've been to exactly how many ERs? FWIW, I can attest that 'triage' doesn't happen at every ER every day of the year. AT least twice I brought in a child with an injury needing immediate medical help and....we were seen right away because there was literally no one in the waiting area when we went in. No. One.

Yes, I am sure of it. Every ER room needs and has a triage system.

But they don't have to use it unless they are busy.

Laws are in effect all day, every day, even when there is nobody breaking them.

 

[Metaphor]

1 it is in the news papers, it's common knowledge
2 the staff at the wherever can say there is a delay in care due to covid, there aren't any services we can offer YOU at this time
3 yeah he guessed that what he was reading in the papers was true after getting to the hospital and they refused care
Did he ask why?

He wasn't refused care. His son's care was triaged. He wrote:

"The ER was overwhelmed with unvaccinated COVID patients".

I can't tell from looking at somebody their vaccination status or their COVID status. It would be a rare talent indeed.

But I don't think he has that ability. Nor do I think somebody told him the presenting problems and medical history of the people in the ER. I think he guessed.

Triage only happens when medical capabilities are currently overloaded. (Note that "medical capabilities" is very broad in this context.)

Triage happens all day, every day, in every hospital emergency room on earth.

For fuck's sake the level of mental gymnastics. ARE YOU NOT DIZZY?

Really? You sure about that? You've been to exactly how many ERs? FWIW, I can attest that 'triage' doesn't happen at every ER every day of the year. AT least twice I brought in a child with an injury needing immediate medical help and....we were seen right away because there was literally no one in the waiting area when we went in. No. One.

Yes, I am sure of it. Every ER room needs and has a triage system.

Not quite what you wrote above....

And it is used every day in every ER room, even when only one person is presenting with a problem.

 

[Metaphor]

But your analogy doesn't make sense. I have never been against quarantining people who have an infectious disease. I am against quarantining people who don't have the disease.

The problem is people don't know they have Covid. It's contagious before it shows symptoms. That's why it exploded across the world while SARS was stopped.

Being vaxxed does not change your level of awareness about having COVID.

With a communicable virus, they are not only taking unnecessary risk for themselves, but for everyone around them. Just like a person who takes an unnecessary risk by driving at high speed, exceeding the speed limit, on a crowded highway. You are advocating that we let them be a danger to everyone because they might become distressed by being forced to slow down.

People without COVID are not a danger to anybody in transmitting COVID.

You don't seem to understand the key issue here--people can't know they don't have Covid, thus this comparison is irrelevant.

I understand the issue. I reject forcing other people to get a medical procedure for your benefit.

Of course there could be long term effects from having had COVID. But the people who choose not to be vaccinated have decided that they are willing to take that risk for themselves.

They can choose to take the risk for themselves--but they don't get to choose to take it for others.

How about we make it a bit more fair--a lottery. Every person who refuses the vaccine is in the lottery. Every time someone who is vaccinated dies a name is drawn and that person is executed.

Hell, why not combine the lottery with house arrest? But the execution should be televised, and particularly inhumane and gruesome, to warn all the other people who refuse to be coerced into a medical procedure on their body.

Yes, you have somehow come to the conclusion that psychological harm, no matter the extent, is worse than death. That is not a view I have seen espoused from many people. In fact, in my experience, that makes you quite unique.

No, I do not mean that all psychological harm is worse than death.

You have described the lives of people forced to be vaccinated as wretched.

Toni's indefinite house arrest plan would make the lives of the unvaccinated wretched.

Not at all! For one thing, there is something very specific and free! that they can do in order to enjoy free movement. Something that I don't enjoy now, even though I am vaccinated and about to get my booster shot. Nope: I still constrain my movements, limit my opportunities to socialize or interact with other people, purchase household goods and engage in other everyday, ordinary activities BECAUSE OF ASSHOLES WHO WON'T GET VAXXED. Not CAN'T. WON'T.

That you constrain your own movements is up to you.

How do you know? How do you know that I am not living with a medically vulnerable person? Someone with cancer or a compromised immune system? You don't know.

I know the government isn't forcing you under house arrest as you would like to force others.

The movements of every person who has a compromised immune system or serious asthma or who lives with them has their movements constrained if they want to avoid exposure to the virus from unvaccinated persons. That threat is very real. See: Colin Powell, who certainly had the best possible medical care and was fully vaccinated--and still got sick from someone who was not so responsible.

You are choosing to constrain yourself. Nobody is forcing you under house arrest as you would like to force others.

What about the parents of young children? Or ANY young child whose school might close down because of an outbreak? They MUST constrain their movements, take time from work or work from home or have some kind of similar arrangement. A friend was forced to take 2 weeks off when her high school aged daughter was exposed to COVID19 at school. Her whole household was quarantined, so her husband had to work remotely (her job cannot be performed remotely). Fortunately, their older son was away at college--and could not come home during this time period. There are families who are separated by international borders because of unvaccinated people prolonging the pandemic. A friend who was born internationally and is working in the US cannot yet bring his family over because of the pandemic. Only recently was my friend able to visit her mother in her mother's nursing home because of the pandemic. Both my friend and her mother are vaccinated and were vaccinated the second they were able to be vaccinated. LOTS of people are separated from family and loved ones because of the pandemic. The whole world is still undergoing all sorts of constraints because of those who refuse to vaccinate and who won't stay home or wear masks appropriately.

You are not doing a very good job of selling the vaccine, Toni.

I have been away from my mother because my movements were constrained by the State. We are both vaccinated and now that my government has decided to not imprison me, I am able to visit her. I am not concerned about interacting with others in the community and neither is my mother, because we actually believe in the vaccine's efficacy.

But if she was concerned, she'd stay home, and so would I. I wouldn't demand, by force of State, that other people have a medical procedure that they don't want in order to benefit me personally.

 

[none]

1 it is in the news papers, it's common knowledge
2 the staff at the wherever can say there is a delay in care due to covid, there aren't any services we can offer YOU at this time
3 yeah he guessed that what he was reading in the papers was true after getting to the hospital and they refused care
Did he ask why?

He wasn't refused care. His son's care was triaged. He wrote:

"The ER was overwhelmed with unvaccinated COVID patients".

I can't tell from looking at somebody their vaccination status or their COVID status. It would be a rare talent indeed.

But I don't think he has that ability. Nor do I think somebody told him the presenting problems and medical history of the people in the ER. I think he guessed.

Triage only happens when medical capabilities are currently overloaded. (Note that "medical capabilities" is very broad in this context.)

Triage happens all day, every day, in every hospital emergency room on earth.

For fuck's sake the level of mental gymnastics. ARE YOU NOT DIZZY?

Really? You sure about that? You've been to exactly how many ERs? FWIW, I can attest that 'triage' doesn't happen at every ER every day of the year. AT least twice I brought in a child with an injury needing immediate medical help and....we were seen right away because there was literally no one in the waiting area when we went in. No. One.

Yes, I am sure of it. Every ER room needs and has a triage system.

Not quite what you wrote above....

And it is used every day in every ER room, even when only one person is presenting with a problem.

well that's not in accordance with THE current PANDEMIC whose VIRUS is MUTATING because PEOPLE are IRRESPONSIBLE and UNCARING of OTHERS and go to the EMERGENCY room unable to BREATHE because THEY have a VIRUS that IS going to KILL them in HOURS because THEY have NO FORESIGHT of THEIR own ACTIONS...

 

[ZiprHead]

1 it is in the news papers, it's common knowledge
2 the staff at the wherever can say there is a delay in care due to covid, there aren't any services we can offer YOU at this time
3 yeah he guessed that what he was reading in the papers was true after getting to the hospital and they refused care
Did he ask why?

He wasn't refused care. His son's care was triaged. He wrote:

"The ER was overwhelmed with unvaccinated COVID patients".

I can't tell from looking at somebody their vaccination status or their COVID status. It would be a rare talent indeed.

But I don't think he has that ability. Nor do I think somebody told him the presenting problems and medical history of the people in the ER. I think he guessed.

Triage only happens when medical capabilities are currently overloaded. (Note that "medical capabilities" is very broad in this context.)

Triage happens all day, every day, in every hospital emergency room on earth.

For fuck's sake the level of mental gymnastics. ARE YOU NOT DIZZY?

Really? You sure about that? You've been to exactly how many ERs? FWIW, I can attest that 'triage' doesn't happen at every ER every day of the year. AT least twice I brought in a child with an injury needing immediate medical help and....we were seen right away because there was literally no one in the waiting area when we went in. No. One.

Yes, I am sure of it. Every ER room needs and has a triage system.

Not quite what you wrote above....

And it is used every day in every ER room, even when only one person is presenting with a problem.

What triage procedure is applied when there is only one patient?

 

[Metaphor]

1 it is in the news papers, it's common knowledge
2 the staff at the wherever can say there is a delay in care due to covid, there aren't any services we can offer YOU at this time
3 yeah he guessed that what he was reading in the papers was true after getting to the hospital and they refused care
Did he ask why?

He wasn't refused care. His son's care was triaged. He wrote:

"The ER was overwhelmed with unvaccinated COVID patients".

I can't tell from looking at somebody their vaccination status or their COVID status. It would be a rare talent indeed.

But I don't think he has that ability. Nor do I think somebody told him the presenting problems and medical history of the people in the ER. I think he guessed.

Triage only happens when medical capabilities are currently overloaded. (Note that "medical capabilities" is very broad in this context.)

Triage happens all day, every day, in every hospital emergency room on earth.

For fuck's sake the level of mental gymnastics. ARE YOU NOT DIZZY?

Really? You sure about that? You've been to exactly how many ERs? FWIW, I can attest that 'triage' doesn't happen at every ER every day of the year. AT least twice I brought in a child with an injury needing immediate medical help and....we were seen right away because there was literally no one in the waiting area when we went in. No. One.

Yes, I am sure of it. Every ER room needs and has a triage system.

Not quite what you wrote above....

And it is used every day in every ER room, even when only one person is presenting with a problem.

What triage procedure is applied when there is only one patient?

You would see that patient, as they are the highest priority.

EDIT: Also, what's the point of this point scoring? If Toni believes that ERs don't routinely have more than one patient, I don't know what to tell her. She has lived in a cossetted and privileged world if she thinks that.

 

[none]

You would see that patient, as they are the highest priority.

EDIT: Also, what's the point of this point scoring? If Toni believes that ERs don't routinely have more than one patient, I don't know what to tell her. She has lived in a cossetted and privileged world if she thinks that.

how many patients does an ER normally have??

 

[Metaphor]

You would see that patient, as they are the highest priority.

EDIT: Also, what's the point of this point scoring? If Toni believes that ERs don't routinely have more than one patient, I don't know what to tell her. She has lived in a cossetted and privileged world if she thinks that.

how many patients does an ER normally have??

In my jurisdiction, more than half of ER patients are not seen within four hours. Admittedly, it's the worst jurisdiction in Australia for ER wait times.

Canberra ED wait times are the worst in the country, but the Health Minister wants to fix it by October

It took five hours for Kathryn Harradine's six-month-old son Andy to be treated for a lung infection at Canberra Hospital's emergency department. Health Minister Rachel Stephen-Smith expects such a wait will be shorter in nine months' time.

www.abc.net.au

 

[none]

You would see that patient, as they are the highest priority.

EDIT: Also, what's the point of this point scoring? If Toni believes that ERs don't routinely have more than one patient, I don't know what to tell her. She has lived in a cossetted and privileged world if she thinks that.

how many patients does an ER normally have??

In my jurisdiction, more than half of ER patients are not seen within four hours. Admittedly, it's the worst jurisdiction in Australia for ER wait times.

Canberra ED wait times are the worst in the country, but the Health Minister wants to fix it by October

It took five hours for Kathryn Harradine's six-month-old son Andy to be treated for a lung infection at Canberra Hospital's emergency department. Health Minister Rachel Stephen-Smith expects such a wait will be shorter in nine months' time.

www.abc.net.au

if one anecdote supports your narrative....

 

[ZiprHead]

You would see that patient, as they are the highest priority.

EDIT: Also, what's the point of this point scoring? If Toni believes that ERs don't routinely have more than one patient, I don't know what to tell her. She has lived in a cossetted and privileged world if she thinks that.

how many patients does an ER normally have??

The hospital I worked at, the ED has over forty rooms. Ten dedicated trauma rooms.

 

[Metaphor]

You would see that patient, as they are the highest priority.

EDIT: Also, what's the point of this point scoring? If Toni believes that ERs don't routinely have more than one patient, I don't know what to tell her. She has lived in a cossetted and privileged world if she thinks that.

how many patients does an ER normally have??

In my jurisdiction, more than half of ER patients are not seen within four hours. Admittedly, it's the worst jurisdiction in Australia for ER wait times.

Canberra ED wait times are the worst in the country, but the Health Minister wants to fix it by October

It took five hours for Kathryn Harradine's six-month-old son Andy to be treated for a lung infection at Canberra Hospital's emergency department. Health Minister Rachel Stephen-Smith expects such a wait will be shorter in nine months' time.

www.abc.net.au

if one anecdote supports your narrative....

Data is not an anecdote.

 

[none]

You would see that patient, as they are the highest priority.

EDIT: Also, what's the point of this point scoring? If Toni believes that ERs don't routinely have more than one patient, I don't know what to tell her. She has lived in a cossetted and privileged world if she thinks that.

how many patients does an ER normally have??

The hospital I worked at, the ER has over forty rooms. Ten dedicated trauma rooms.

what's weird is this weird under-staffing issue all of a sudden....lack of rooms... people dying of what the coroner says is "corona" and most people get killed because "they looked at me funny"... but hey it's all non profit... err

 

[none]

You would see that patient, as they are the highest priority.

EDIT: Also, what's the point of this point scoring? If Toni believes that ERs don't routinely have more than one patient, I don't know what to tell her. She has lived in a cossetted and privileged world if she thinks that.

how many patients does an ER normally have??

In my jurisdiction, more than half of ER patients are not seen within four hours. Admittedly, it's the worst jurisdiction in Australia for ER wait times.

Canberra ED wait times are the worst in the country, but the Health Minister wants to fix it by October

It took five hours for Kathryn Harradine's six-month-old son Andy to be treated for a lung infection at Canberra Hospital's emergency department. Health Minister Rachel Stephen-Smith expects such a wait will be shorter in nine months' time.

www.abc.net.au

if one anecdote supports your narrative....

Data is not an anecdote.

yeah so aggregate the data available about getting vaccines versus no getting vaccines and let US know how you are doing, please. and "US" is every interested party before we all die.

 

[Metaphor]

You would see that patient, as they are the highest priority.

EDIT: Also, what's the point of this point scoring? If Toni believes that ERs don't routinely have more than one patient, I don't know what to tell her. She has lived in a cossetted and privileged world if she thinks that.

how many patients does an ER normally have??

In my jurisdiction, more than half of ER patients are not seen within four hours. Admittedly, it's the worst jurisdiction in Australia for ER wait times.

Canberra ED wait times are the worst in the country, but the Health Minister wants to fix it by October

It took five hours for Kathryn Harradine's six-month-old son Andy to be treated for a lung infection at Canberra Hospital's emergency department. Health Minister Rachel Stephen-Smith expects such a wait will be shorter in nine months' time.

www.abc.net.au

if one anecdote supports your narrative....

Data is not an anecdote.

yeah so aggregate the data available about getting vaccines versus no getting vaccines and let US know how you are doing, please. and "US" is every interested party before we all die.

Today, over 90% of the people in my jurisdiction have been double vaxxed, and we didn't have any vaccine mandates to get there.

It's a shame the left has been so vindictive and hateful and condescending in America that they've hardened the hearts of so many Americans against vaccination. But I'm sure indefinite house arrest will soften their hearts and minds. Good luck.

 

[none]

You would see that patient, as they are the highest priority.

EDIT: Also, what's the point of this point scoring? If Toni believes that ERs don't routinely have more than one patient, I don't know what to tell her. She has lived in a cossetted and privileged world if she thinks that.

how many patients does an ER normally have??

In my jurisdiction, more than half of ER patients are not seen within four hours. Admittedly, it's the worst jurisdiction in Australia for ER wait times.

Canberra ED wait times are the worst in the country, but the Health Minister wants to fix it by October

It took five hours for Kathryn Harradine's six-month-old son Andy to be treated for a lung infection at Canberra Hospital's emergency department. Health Minister Rachel Stephen-Smith expects such a wait will be shorter in nine months' time.

www.abc.net.au

if one anecdote supports your narrative....

Data is not an anecdote.

yeah so aggregate the data available about getting vaccines versus no getting vaccines and let US know how you are doing, please. and "US" is every interested party before we all die.

Today, over 90% of the people in my jurisdiction have been double vaxxed, and we didn't have any vaccine mandates to get there.

It's a shame the left has been so vindictive and hateful and condescending in America that they've hardened the hearts of so many Americans against vaccination. But I'm sure indefinite house arrest will soften their hearts and minds. Good luck.

yeah apparently 90% were compelled... I wonder why?