Now why would anyone jump to the conclusion that the only source would be a hospital employee?ERs report their statistics for what type of patient they treat. They take medical histories. https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2021/08/24...ore-likely-to-be-hospitalized-with-covid.html
Huh? I'm not suggesting the ER didn't know who was in their ER. I'm suggesting the father in this particular anecdote guessed who the other patients were, and if he didn't guess and was told, the ER nurse should be disciplined.
Uh, no. Nothing to discipline if she told someone general information, not specific individuals' status.ERs report their statistics for what type of patient they treat. They take medical histories. https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2021/08/24...ore-likely-to-be-hospitalized-with-covid.html
Huh? I'm not suggesting the ER didn't know who was in their ER. I'm suggesting the father in this particular anecdote guessed who the other patients were, and if he didn't guess and was told, the ER nurse should be disciplined.
No violation of confidentiality is required to explain this, though.
Where are people getting this? I said the father in the anecdote would not know. He either guessed, or some member of staff violated confidentiality and told him the other people in the ER were unvaccinated and had COVID.
We do not even legislate that you cannot post close-up pictures of the face of a spider on public media.
We also don't limit the inhabitants of Guam because some people fear it would tip over if over-populated.
I guess mistrust of science is becoming an actual selection force?As for the so-called risk:
https://www.medpagetoday.com/infectiousdisease/covid19vaccine/95220?xid=nl_mpt_DHE_2021-10-23
All-cause mortality is a lot lower for the vaccinated than the non-vaccinated.
No violation of confidentiality is required to explain this, though.
Where are people getting this? I said the father in the anecdote would not know. He either guessed, or some member of staff violated confidentiality and told him the other people in the ER were unvaccinated and had COVID.
No, I'm not. Zero people in the ER said to this man "I can't tell you my vaccination status". Zero people.Uh, no. Nothing to discipline if she told someone general information, not specific individuals' status.ERs report their statistics for what type of patient they treat. They take medical histories. https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2021/08/24...ore-likely-to-be-hospitalized-with-covid.html
Huh? I'm not suggesting the ER didn't know who was in their ER. I'm suggesting the father in this particular anecdote guessed who the other patients were, and if he didn't guess and was told, the ER nurse should be disciplined.
You're using the Marjorie Traitor Greene understanding of HIPAA.
Probably because the original anecdote teller does not explain how on earth he knew the ER was full of unvaxxed people with COVID.Now why would anyone jump to the conclusion that the only source would be a hospital employee?ERs report their statistics for what type of patient they treat. They take medical histories. https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2021/08/24...ore-likely-to-be-hospitalized-with-covid.html
Huh? I'm not suggesting the ER didn't know who was in their ER. I'm suggesting the father in this particular anecdote guessed who the other patients were, and if he didn't guess and was told, the ER nurse should be disciplined.
If the question hadn't specified "the ONLY source", that would a good answer. But thanks for confirming your bias.Probably because the original anecdote teller does not explain how on earth he knew the ER was full of unvaxxed people with COVID.Now why would anyone jump to the conclusion that the only source would be a hospital employee?ERs report their statistics for what type of patient they treat. They take medical histories. https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2021/08/24...ore-likely-to-be-hospitalized-with-covid.html
Huh? I'm not suggesting the ER didn't know who was in their ER. I'm suggesting the father in this particular anecdote guessed who the other patients were, and if he didn't guess and was told, the ER nurse should be disciplined.
It's dizzying to watch the mental gymnastics of the vaccine mandaters.If the question hadn't specified "the ONLY source", that would a good answer. But thanks for confirming your bias.Probably because the original anecdote teller does not explain how on earth he knew the ER was full of unvaxxed people with COVID.Now why would anyone jump to the conclusion that the only source would be a hospital employee?ERs report their statistics for what type of patient they treat. They take medical histories. https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2021/08/24...ore-likely-to-be-hospitalized-with-covid.html
Huh? I'm not suggesting the ER didn't know who was in their ER. I'm suggesting the father in this particular anecdote guessed who the other patients were, and if he didn't guess and was told, the ER nurse should be disciplined.
He wasn't refused care. His son's care was triaged. He wrote:1 it is in the news papers, it's common knowledge
2 the staff at the wherever can say there is a delay in care due to covid, there aren't any services we can offer YOU at this time
3 yeah he guessed that what he was reading in the papers was true after getting to the hospital and they refused care
Did he ask why?
I don't think so, either. A doc or nurse saying, 'We're full of Covid patients.' doesn't violate confidentiality.I don't believe anybody violated confidentiality.
Because that means you can dismiss the incident....I believe the father in question simply guessed at both the vaccination status and presenting problem of others in the ER.
And you concentrating on one detail so you can dismiss the whole concern...But, as I said. This anecdote confirms your narrative, so it must be true.
I don't think so, either. A doc or nurse saying, 'We're full of Covid patients.' doesn't violate confidentiality.I don't believe anybody violated confidentiality.
And experts have stated that 99% of covid cases are among the unvaccinated, certainly the ones requiring ER/ICU visits.
I'm not dismissing the concern. I just expressed skepticism that this person knew the presenting problems and the vaccination status of people in the ER.Because that means you can dismiss the incident....I believe the father in question simply guessed at both the vaccination status and presenting problem of others in the ER.
And you concentrating on one detail so you can dismiss the whole concern...But, as I said. This anecdote confirms your narrative, so it must be true.
But i also stipulated that THIS story might be exaggerated, but yhe concern is still real.
If ERs are full, people are going to die from lack of or delayed care. Covidiots are packing tghe ICUs and ERs.
People are dying needlessly.
Thus, the mandates for vaccination are justified, the concerns driving them are palpable, and vacc hesitancy remains a batshit response to politicized fears.
The delta variant is 'ripping through the unvaccinated' and crowding hospitals in Florida, TexasHe wasn't refused care. His son's care was triaged. He wrote:1 it is in the news papers, it's common knowledge
2 the staff at the wherever can say there is a delay in care due to covid, there aren't any services we can offer YOU at this time
3 yeah he guessed that what he was reading in the papers was true after getting to the hospital and they refused care
Did he ask why?
"The ER was overwhelmed with unvaccinated COVID patients".
I can't tell from looking at somebody their vaccination status or their COVID status. It would be a rare talent indeed.
But I don't think he has that ability. Nor do I think somebody told him the presenting problems and medical history of the people in the ER. I think he guessed.
And by concentrating on that, you're ignoring the concern.I'm not dismissing the concern. I just expressed skepticism that this person knew the presenting problems and the vaccination status of people in the ER.
Never said anything different. But the fact that they're filling the beds is impacting the safety of others.I also believe that people are entitled to be triaged according to need in the ER, even if they earlier refused a medical procedure which increased the likelihood of their ER visit.
You keep bringing this up, except it is not being suggested in any current vaccine mandate.I also believe that no country should coerce medical procedures on adults who do not want them.
An unvaccinated person is really a lot like a drunk driver. They may not have COVID19 and like the drunk driver, may also make it home safely, without infecting anyone/causing an automobile accident. But the risk is too high for society to bear so we take their keys, punish them if they are caught and, in extreme cases, remove their option to continue to drink and drive. For the unvaxxed, they may make it through their day without spreading the disease or allowing it to mutate in their bodies and then spread the mutated version. Or, they may have the disease and spread it, unknowingly or not. Not everyone has the luxury of staying home when they are sick and so a lot of people hide their symptoms as best they can and hope for the best. Having a mandate: get vaxxed or stay home! removes that pressure from individuals. Their employers cannot punish them for taking time off for vaccination. There can be no social stigma, as there is in some social groups, to being vaxxed as we've heard there is in some places. You stay home until you are vaxxed. Of course there can/should be medical exceptions--one reason that everyone who is medically able to be vaccinated has an absolute responsibility to be vaccinated. You think it is a horrible imprisonment to insist that people who are not vaccinated stay at home but by failing to do that, you are forcing children and other people who are not able to be vaccinated to stay home or otherwise severely restrict their activities! You'd rather imprison a 3 year old in their home, along with their parent or whoever is caring for the child, or the vaccinated cancer patient or transplant recipient stay isolated at home than make some asshole who refuses to get vaccinated stay home. Note: the ONLY condition that needs to be satisfied is to get vaccinated. For free.Are they a minor?If someone you cared about got cancer, but they did not want treatment, would you force them to get treatment? In fact, I don't think anybody would force them to get treatment, let alone have a national mandate to do so.
No, they are a 40 year old adult.
Is their objection irrational?
Let's say yes: let's say they think God wants them to either endure the cancer and live, or endure the cancer and die.
Or, is it actually their parents that object?
In a New York Minute.
Yes, we do things to minors that we do not do to adults.
Far more to the point, though, if somrone i cared zbout wanted to drive home from a party where they'd been drinking, i pretty much HAVE to take their keys.
I would to. But before I forcibly take them, I'd try to persuade them to accept a ride home from someone else, or let them stay the night, or offer to call someone on their behalf.
And the next morning, when they were sober, I'd give them their keys back.