Public schools aren't teaching Critical Race Theory.

[Generation55]

If a public school teacher says to his/her class: "America is a racist country!" -- is that CRT?

No.

It's just a fact of life.

2021 America isn't as racist as 1921 America. 1921 America wasn't as racist as 1821 America. 1821 America wasn't as racist as 1721 America.

But yeah, the USA is racist still. Getting better, huge improvement in the last couple of decades. But America is a racist nation. Saying so is simply stating a fact.
Tom

A lot of people who agree that the United States is racist also say that they want immigrants to come here. Why would you want immigrants to come to a racist country that will keep them down?

I find it fascinating that one side of the political aisle (the right) is against immigrants while claiming the United States is not racist and the other side of the political aisle (the left) are pro immigrants coming here while claiming the United States is a racist country.

What would you say about this?

 

[Politesse]

If a public school teacher says to his/her class: "America is a racist country!" -- is that CRT?

No.

It's just a fact of life.

2021 America isn't as racist as 1921 America. 1921 America wasn't as racist as 1821 America. 1821 America wasn't as racist as 1721 America.

But yeah, the USA is racist still. Getting better, huge improvement in the last couple of decades. But America is a racist nation. Saying so is simply stating a fact.
Tom

A lot of people who agree that the United States is racist also say that they want immigrants to come here. Why would you want immigrants to come to a racist country that will keep them down?

I find it fascinating that one side of the political aisle (the right) is against immigrants while claiming the United States is not racist and the other side of the political aisle (the left) are pro immigrants coming here while claiming the United States is a racist country.

What would you say about this?

That Republicans are lying scumbags who know full well they don't want more non-Whites in the country and simply aren't comfortable saying so out loud, and that the Left envisions the possibility of a better America.

Neither of these have anything to do with classroom pedagogy or CRT.

 

[Generation55]

If a public school teacher says to his/her class: "America is a racist country!" -- is that CRT?

No.

It's just a fact of life.

2021 America isn't as racist as 1921 America. 1921 America wasn't as racist as 1821 America. 1821 America wasn't as racist as 1721 America.

But yeah, the USA is racist still. Getting better, huge improvement in the last couple of decades. But America is a racist nation. Saying so is simply stating a fact.
Tom

A lot of people who agree that the United States is racist also say that they want immigrants to come here. Why would you want immigrants to come to a racist country that will keep them down?

I find it fascinating that one side of the political aisle (the right) is against immigrants while claiming the United States is not racist and the other side of the political aisle (the left) are pro immigrants coming here while claiming the United States is a racist country.

What would you say about this?

That Republicans are lying scumbags who know full well they don't want more non-Whites in the country and simply aren't comfortable saying so out loud, and that the Left envisions the possibility of a better America.

Neither of these have anything to do with classroom pedagogy or CRT.

If this was truly a racist country, then black people wouldn't be able to become millionaires here. Indians wouldn't be able to open businesses here and make millions as well. Chinese people wouldn't be able to open Chinese restaurants. I don't see Republicans fighting against these things. it turns out that people of all backgrounds come here and make a lot of money. There are a ton of poor white people in this country who don't have anywhere close to the amount of money LeBron James or Michael Jordan has.

I don't see these things as a right/left thing but just a matter of facts. Everything I stated above should not be able to happen if this country was racist. Everywhere I go I see people of all races succeeding in America. If you can explain to me how this is still a racist country, then I will change my opinion.

 

[Keith&Co.]

If this was truly a racist country, then black people wouldn't be able to become millionaires here.

Ever hear of Black Wall Street?
Tulsa Massacre?

 

[Generation55]

If this was truly a racist country, then black people wouldn't be able to become millionaires here.

Ever hear of Black Wall Street?
Tulsa Massacre?

Yes. This country was certainly racist when we had slavery. But once slavery finished and black people were free, they were able to build up businesses and wealth. Some racists didn't like that, but there were no laws on the books saying, "Black people can't do X." For example, some white racists may wish to kill LeBron James. This doesn't mean the country itself is racist. It just means there are people who are racist.

There are no laws on the books that say "black people can't do X." Just like how I mentioned there are plenty of poor white people in this country. It's not because there are laws that say "white people can't do X." People are poor for a variety of reasons, but it has nothing to do with the government writing laws to keep people down.

 

[Toni]

If this was truly a racist country, then black people wouldn't be able to become millionaires here.

Ever hear of Black Wall Street?
Tulsa Massacre?

Yes. This country was certainly racist when we had slavery. But once slavery finished and black people were free, they were able to build up businesses and wealth. Some racists didn't like that, but there were no laws on the books saying, "Black people can't do X." For example, some white racists may wish to kill LeBron James. This doesn't mean the country itself is racist. It just means there are people who are racist.

There are no laws on the books that say "black people can't do X." Just like how I mentioned there are plenty of poor white people in this country. It's not because there are laws that say "white people can't do X." People are poor for a variety of reasons, but it has nothing to do with the government writing laws to keep people down.

So, you've hear of Black Wall Street and the Tulsa Massacre (of 1921) but you certainly do not know anything about the Tulsa Massacre.

 

[Politesse]

Yes. This country was certainly racist when we had slavery. But once slavery finished and black people were free, they were able to build up businesses and wealth. Some racists didn't like that, but there were no laws on the books saying, "Black people can't do X." For example, some white racists may wish to kill LeBron James. This doesn't mean the country itself is racist. It just means there are people who are racist.

There are no laws on the books that say "black people can't do X." Just like how I mentioned there are plenty of poor white people in this country. It's not because there are laws that say "white people can't do X." People are poor for a variety of reasons, but it has nothing to do with the government writing laws to keep people down.

Your answer makes it painfully obvious that you do not, in fact, know anything about the mentioned event...

 

[Keith&Co.]

I think i'm gonna save some time and photons, here.

 

[Bomb#20]

Treating people's concerns dismissively for not having mastered your jargon and insulting them for having the concerns in the first place is a proven strategy for winning elections. You guys should definitely double down on that.

Please, inform us of all of the institutionalized CRT-esque education in our Public Schools. Because other than the occasional case of a teacher doing something ridiculous and the school punishing them for it, there doesn't appear to be any fire... only smoke. Yes, there is a lot of smoke because fanned by the right-wing, but there doesn't appear to be fire, and when we ask to see the fire, there is nothing but silence.

If you're going to tell teachers what they ought to teach and not teach, then yes, you should "master their jargon" first. You have no grounds, no grounds at all, for accusing working professionals trying to do their job of arrogance while you claim to know better than they how to do their job right. You're being "dismissive" as all hell, trying to play volunteer government censor despite never having studied the subjects you want to purge. Get some basic education, then tell teachers how to do their job.

Governor-elect Youngkin thanks you for your support.

Seriously, the left is so tone-deaf on this topic it would be hilarious if the right weren't just as awful. Instead it's just depressing. A plague on both your houses.

 

[Bomb#20]

What does the hypothetical have to do with Critical Race Theory? It doesn't sound remotely critical...

If you're going to hawk censorship and expect consensus agreement, you'd be better off showing that you have even a passing familiarity with the material you're trying to censor, and formulate an argument against it on rational grounds.

Not sure which "you" you directed that at, but stopping the government from using taxpayer money to pay its employees to preach ideologues' dogmas to a captive audience does not even remotely qualify as censorship. It's making good on the First Amendment's promise that the U.S. will not have an established religion.

 

[Bomb#20]

You Can’t Win Elections by Telling Voters Their Concerns Are Imaginary - The Atlantic

"For anybody who cares about making sure that Donald Trump does not become the 47th president of the United States, it is crucial that Democrats avoid repeating the mistakes that just put a Republican in Virginia’s governor’s mansion."

 

[Politesse]

You Can’t Win Elections by Telling Voters Their Concerns Are Imaginary - The Atlantic

"For anybody who cares about making sure that Donald Trump does not become the 47th president of the United States, it is crucial that Democrats avoid repeating the mistakes that just put a Republican in Virginia’s governor’s mansion."

How are the Democrats supposed to win by legitimizing this nonsense? Telling Americans that whenever Fox News makes up a story, everyone suddenly has to take it seriously and apologize for imagined offenses is not going to keep Trump out of the White House. Nor do I think keeping some politician out of office is any better of a reason for justifying censorship. Politicians come and go, basic curriculum can prove far more resilient, especially when tampered with at the legislative level. Are you honestly saying that if McAuliffe was like "Oh man, you caught us! We were indoctrinating your children to believe that all Whites are evil and Sharia law is better than democracy! But we're totes McGoats sorry about it, and promise never to do it again", that Youngkin would have lost the election? You cannot win these people over by pandering to them, they have a panderer-in-chief already and he knows all the right words to get them on his side. And again, it's not ethical or wise to sacrifice the autonomy of the academic system for short term gain anyway.

 

[Ford]

My father was a pretty well-read man for someone who graduated high school in a small Michigan town in 1955 and never went to college. His book shelf had Steinbeck's "Travels With Charley," a paperback copy of the long out of print "A Nation of Sheep" by one of the authors of "The Ugly American," and this one dog-eared copy of "Black Like Me."

In case you haven't heard, it was a story of a white man who darkened his skin with drugs and chemicals and journeyed through the deep south in the late 1950s. While he didn't get the full scope of what it was like, he got a taste of what it was like to "live as a black man" back then.

It's just a glimpse - and a pretty grim one - at the level of institutional racism at work in the America that today's voters' parents and grandparents lived through. I have no doubt that the "Karens" screaming at school boards for allegedly teaching "Critical Race Theory" would lose their ever-loving minds if their kids were handed this book to read as part of a history class.

Politicians running on the whole "CRT" issue are basically saying "don't teach our children that we ethnically cleansed the natives, brought slaves over to replace them, and then kept those former slaves and their descendants as second class citizens for a century (and counting) after the "War of Northern Aggression."

Yep, the pilgrims just had a nice turkey dinner with Squanto and his buddies. Nothing to see here. Move along.

 

[Bomb#20]

... by legitimizing this nonsense ... whenever Fox News makes up a story,... justifying censorship.... if McAuliffe was like "Oh man, you caught us! We were indoctrinating your children ... pandering to them...

That is not a good-faith counterargument. Preventing Trump's reelection is evidently less important to you than feeling smugly superior to the voters who may well reelect him.

And again, it's not ethical or wise to sacrifice the autonomy of the academic system for short term gain anyway.

You can't sacrifice a thing that doesn't exist.

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

Critical Race Theory is a class taught at graduate level law schools. Teaching the racial history of the country or ethnic studies is not CRT.

But the public schools insidious plan is to teach CRT without mentioning anything about it, that way you can't stop them from not not teaching it.

IOW what racists decry is a cause based explanation for why history is thus and so.

Treating people's concerns dismissively for not having mastered your jargon and insulting them for having the concerns in the first place is a proven strategy for winning elections. You guys should definitely double down on that.

Their opposition to propagandized issue du jour is reasonable, but you apparently want them to lose. You've just outed yourself on what side you belong to.

 

[Bomb#20]

Politicians running on the whole "CRT" issue are basically saying "don't teach our children that we ethnically cleansed the natives, brought slaves over to replace them, and then kept those former slaves and their descendants as second class citizens for a century (and counting) after the "War of Northern Aggression."

Who are you calling "we", white man?

 

[Bomb#20]

Treating people's concerns dismissively for not having mastered your jargon and insulting them for having the concerns in the first place is a proven strategy for winning elections. You guys should definitely double down on that.

Their opposition to propagandized issue du jour is reasonable, but you apparently want them to lose. You've just outed yourself on what side you belong to.

Exactly how obvious does sarcasm have to be in order for you not to need a "[/sarcasm]" at the end to alert you to it? It's like you're not even trying not to be a cartoon character.

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

Treating people's concerns dismissively for not having mastered your jargon and insulting them for having the concerns in the first place is a proven strategy for winning elections. You guys should definitely double down on that.

Their opposition to propagandized issue du jour is reasonable, but you apparently want them to lose. You've just outed yourself on what side you belong to.

Exactly how obvious does sarcasm have to be in order for you not to need a "[/sarcasm]" at the end to alert you to it? It's like you're not even trying not to be a cartoon character.

You have an interesting interpretation of reality.

 

[Politesse]

... by legitimizing this nonsense ... whenever Fox News makes up a story,... justifying censorship.... if McAuliffe was like "Oh man, you caught us! We were indoctrinating your children ... pandering to them...

That is not a good-faith counterargument. Preventing Trump's reelection is evidently less important to you than feeling smugly superior to the voters who may well reelect him.

And again, it's not ethical or wise to sacrifice the autonomy of the academic system for short term gain anyway.

You can't sacrifice a thing that doesn't exist.

I don't know why you say that this isn't in good faith. That is my opinion. I don't like Trump, and I won't be voting for him personally, but I'm not going to throw academic integrity under the bus on the chance that it might (on the word of some columnist) make him less likely to win an election.

 

[Elixir]

Public schools aren't teaching Critical Race Theory.​

... they are now! Here's what they're teaching -

"Critical Race Theory is a very very baaaad thing the libruls want to cram down your little throats to make all you little white snowflakes feel bad about yourselves."