Black Jogger Gunned Down In The Street

[TSwizzle]

Why would he have run away from his attackers for 5 minutes if he were suicidal? Do you know what happened prior to him being shot?

He didn't seem that determined to escaping and then trying to grab a gun from someone? That was only going to end one way.

 

[TSwizzle]

What a cop out--- the old white man's claim that the black man was committing suicide by cop--even when they aren't cops and had been chasing him down a street, armed and in trucks.

It was incredibly stupid to confront these three idiots at the very least. Particularly trying to take on the one with the gun.

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

I would say that running towards people brandishing guns is not the smartest of moves.

Your claim was already made and refuted multiple times by different persons. To review...running away from a person with a gun makes sense when they are at a sufficiently great distance...while running toward a person with a gun makes sense when they are at a sufficiently close distance.

 

[atrib]

Arbery was boxed in by the two pickup trucks, one from behind driven by Roddie (who shot the video you saw), and the one in front driven by Travis.

No he wasn't boxed in. He could have gone to his left or to his right where vehicles would not have been able to follow him.

There were ditches on the sides of the road, and houses with fences beyond that. He had been running for a long time, trying to stay away from his assailants, and was likely exhausted by the pursuit at this point. Arbery did his best to get away from his attackers before he was forced to defend himself. The responsibility for the shooting is on the assailants, and the jury convicted the McMicahels on all the felony murder counts, and Roddie of three felony murder counts. I suggest you go back and look at the testimony, or at least the prosecutor's closing at trial. That would help you understand how the events unfolded.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Okay, chased down by angry yelling people in a truck. Another truck stops you from fleeing. Then person in first truck grabs a gun. The folks doing the chasing are the ones that kept escalating the situation. And some people seem to think Arbery is taking all of this the wrong way.

And we are told these people would have eventually stopped escalating the situation prior to murdering the person they saw as guilty of theft.

 

[atrib]

Okay, chased down by angry yelling people in a truck. Another truck stops you from fleeing. Then person in first truck grabs a gun. The folks doing the chasing are the ones that kept escalating the situation. And some people seem to think Arbery is taking all of this the wrong way.

And we are told these people would have eventually stopped escalating the situation prior to murdering the person they saw as guilty of theft.

There is a lot of stupid in this thread. Arbery wanted to commit suicide by cop, for one. Its Arbery's fault because he tried to defend himself from his assailants after 5 minutes of trying to run away, for another. And these people get to serve on juries - scary thought.

 

[TSwizzle]

There were ditches on the sides of the road, and houses with fences beyond that.

And if Arbery really, really believed he was going to get shot, wouldn't it have been prudent to take that option rather than run towards the guys brandishing guns?

 

[TSwizzle]

Okay, chased down by angry yelling people in a truck. Another truck stops you from fleeing. Then person in first truck grabs a gun. The folks doing the chasing are the ones that kept escalating the situation. And some people seem to think Arbery is taking all of this the wrong way.

Arbery has shown he could be a dick, see the video of his confrontation with police.

 

[Gun Nut]

By the way, when was the last time citizen's arrest was successfully and usefully executed?

Probably moments ago somewhere... the last time I performed a citizen's arrest was in the 1990's when I was working for a department store. I arrested shoplifters about once a month while I worked there for about 2 years. I did so unarmed, as a civilian simply working for the store.
It's a thing... but not a thing that lynch mob was doing.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Okay, chased down by angry yelling people in a truck. Another truck stops you from fleeing. Then person in first truck grabs a gun. The folks doing the chasing are the ones that kept escalating the situation. And some people seem to think Arbery is taking all of this the wrong way.

Arbery has shown he could be a dick, see the video of his confrontation with police.

Umm... we can all "be a dick". Well, maybe except you Mother Teresa.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

There were ditches on the sides of the road, and houses with fences beyond that.

And if Arbery really, really believed he was going to get shot, wouldn't it have been prudent to take that option rather than run towards the guys brandishing guns?

Typically you run away from a knife, charge a gun. Maybe Arbery should have put them on "Ignore".

 

[TomC]

There were ditches on the sides of the road, and houses with fences beyond that.

And if Arbery really, really believed he was going to get shot, wouldn't it have been prudent to take that option rather than run towards the guys brandishing guns?

And if McMichaels hadn't really really believed that they could murder with impunity would they have shot an innocent man?
Tom

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

Okay, chased down by angry yelling people in a truck. Another truck stops you from fleeing. Then person in first truck grabs a gun. The folks doing the chasing are the ones that kept escalating the situation. And some people seem to think Arbery is taking all of this the wrong way.

And we are told these people would have eventually stopped escalating the situation prior to murdering the person they saw as guilty of theft.

There is a lot of stupid in this thread. Arbery wanted to commit suicide by cop, for one. Its Arbery's fault because he tried to defend himself from his assailants after 5 minutes of trying to run away, for another. And these people get to serve on juries - scary thought.

The other thing that is scary aside from the full on blame of the Black victim is that they go from "HE SHOULDA KEPT RUNNING!!111!" to "HE SHOULDA STOPPED!!111" in the same thought. Meanwhile, those of us paying attention know the father said he'd blow his f-ing head off if he didn't stop. One of these victim blamers also said Arbery should have calmly stopped and said, "Okay, I'll wait for the police," but no one had even called them and from Arbery's perspective this was a survival issue, nothing to do with police arriving. It turns out he was right.

 

[Toni]

What a cop out--- the old white man's claim that the black man was committing suicide by cop--even when they aren't cops and had been chasing him down a street, armed and in trucks.

It was incredibly stupid to confront these three idiots at the very least. Particularly trying to take on the one with the gun.

What should he have done? They had already chased him down and blocked his exits. They were screaming at him and pointing a gun at him. You think he needed to do what? Get down on his knees? Suck some cock? Maybe that's what you would have done but that would not have bought him his life. He took the only chance he thought he had of surviving. I understand that some would have been down on their knees in a second.

Here's what I learned: there are certain kinds of people, usually male in my experience, for whom it is impossible to bend your neck far enough, for whom deference is provocation, who see avoidance as a challenge, a weakness. The only way to stop some kinds of bullies is to counter their attacks. It does not always work but sometimes, that's the only option that gives you any kind of chance.

 

[TSwizzle]

What should he have done?

Not run towards the guys with the guns but run away from the guys with the guns. He could certainly have run off the road, to the side, over the ditches, called for help.

{snip}

Careful now.

 

[Toni]

What should he have done?

Not run towards the guys with the guns but run away from the guys with the guns. He could certainly have run off the road, to the side, over the ditches, called for help.

{snip}

Careful now.

What should he have done?

Not run towards the guys with the guns but run away from the guys with the guns. He could certainly have run off the road, to the side, over the ditches, called for help.

{snip}

Careful now.

They boxed him in. And had guns. Not sure where he was supposed to run with a gun aimed at him. Or do you think McMasters would have balked at shooting him in the back. I don't.

 

[TSwizzle]

They boxed him in. And had guns. Not sure where he was supposed to run with a gun aimed at him.

But Arbery wasn't boxed in and didn't have a gun aimed at him. He ran towards the guys with guns who were in a truck at least 100 yards ahead of him. Did you not watch the video? There were alternatives available.

Or do you think McMasters would have balked at shooting him in the back. I don't.

They probably wouldn't have shot Arbery. It was only when Arbery grabbed the gun did the shooting start.

 

[Toni]

They boxed him in. And had guns. Not sure where he was supposed to run with a gun aimed at him.

But Arbery wasn't boxed in and didn't have a gun aimed at him. He ran towards the guys with guns who were in a truck at least 100 yards ahead of him. Did you not watch the video? There were alternatives available.

Or do you think McMasters would have balked at shooting him in the back. I don't.

They probably wouldn't have shot Arbery. It was only when Arbery grabbed the gun did the shooting start.

And it isn’t rape if she doesn’t fight back.

 

[Jarhyn]

They boxed him in. And had guns. Not sure where he was supposed to run with a gun aimed at him.

But Arbery wasn't boxed in and didn't have a gun aimed at him. He ran towards the guys with guns who were in a truck at least 100 yards ahead of him. Did you not watch the video? There were alternatives available.

Or do you think McMasters would have balked at shooting him in the back. I don't.

They probably wouldn't have shot Arbery. It was only when Arbery grabbed the gun did the shooting start.

And it isn’t rape if she doesn’t fight back.

A frog is going to attack and eat a fly.

But when does the attack start?

Does it start when the frog sees the fly? When the frog makes a targeting solution? When it bunches it's tongue? When the frog opens it's mouth? Perhaps at the ejection of the tongue?

I am pretty sure though that it starts at the first motion that orients towards the "solution" and away from previous action.

It is no different for people. The attack started when the rednecks got in their trucks and chased someone. They escalated it several times after, but that is when the attack started.

 

[Gospel]

No he wasn't boxed in. He could have gone to his left or to his right where vehicles would not have been able to follow him.

Do you mean trespass? I wonder why he wouldn't just trespass again to save his life since he was a criminal that had no issue with trespassing.