You are clearly stating that "mindless forces" - whatever you mean by that but I suspect you mean the universe - cannot just happen to exist. But you never explain how or why they cannot just happen to exist. You just keep stating that they cannot. But then it gets better. It is the very existence of these mindless forces that you then use as evidence for your creator. And you don't see any contradiction!
Mindless forces is all you have to work with to cause and account for all we observe. Other than intelligent humans all other forces operate without the benefit of intent, plan or design. The claim of atheism is not or without God. Secondly mindless forces can't initiate action. There is no volitional will to do something they react to the laws of physics. F1 The universe exists. We know from direct observation the universe is expanding in all directions. Its a deduction from that fact if we played the events backwards there would be nothing to prevent everything we see from becoming like a black hole. The belief the universe just happened to happen, just happen to have laws of physics crucial to our existence, just happen to have a force called gravity, just happened to have the innumerable properties to allow intelligent life to occur. That is your counter belief in a nutshell.
To reiterate for Drew a point I have made about fifteen dozen times:
Our best evidence shows the universe has always existed. This can be true in one of two ways:
Either it has infinite temporal extension in the past, which is perfectly possible; in that case, the big bang represents a phase transition form a prior state; OR,
Reiterate all you want.
F1. The Universe Exists
The best evidence shows if we reverse the expansion of the universe it turns into a singularity.
The universal origin story known as the Big Bang postulates that, 13.7 billion years ago, our universe emerged from a singularity — a point of infinite density and gravity — and that before this event, space and time did not exist (which means the Big Bang took place at no place and no time).
Either way you don't dispute the universe exists true?
Anyone going to respond to what I wrote a page back?
I know the slogan you folks say with complete conviction 'There is no evidence, fact or even reason to subscribe to theism is the sacred cow the holy grail of atheism. You cite evidence (facts) that support your case and I will cite facts (evidence) that supports my case and we can have a fair discussion.
Case for atheism
F1. The universe is vast old and chaotic
Make an argument from that fact why it agrees with your conclusion.
F2. Evolution processes exist
Make an argument from that fact why it agrees with your conclusion.
Do you accept F1 and F2 as evidence that makes your proposition more probable than minus the two facts?
Or should I say...'Your entire 'argument' is a misapplication of logic and reason. It's structurally wrong on every level, so it's irrelevant that the premises are factual.'
Do you accept F1 and F2 as evidence in favor of atheism?