How should west respond to potential (likely) Russian invasion of Ukraine?

[SigmatheZeta]

"Let's lob one into the men's room at the Kremlin." Suddenly, this actually sounds perfectly reasonable.

 

[SLD]

"Let's lob one into the men's room at the Kremlin." Suddenly, this actually sounds perfectly reasonable.

Don’t need a nuke to do that!

 

[Elixir]

"Let's lob one into the men's room at the Kremlin." Suddenly, this actually sounds perfectly reasonable.

Don’t need a nuke to do that!

Better not miss, or there will be nukes.

 

[skepticalbip]

Russia is now threatening to bombard Ukrainian cities indiscriminately.

Bombardments will stop when Ukrainians decide they prefer Russia over the West?

Do you actually think that Russia destroying their cities and killing as many of them as possible really the best way to convince them that Russia is a better friend than the E.U.?

Well, do you have a better idea why Russia started this war?

I do have an idea. Putin doesn't give a shit what the Ukrainians prefer. He wants the Ukraine under his control regardless.

 

[Elixir]

Russia is now threatening to bombard Ukrainian cities indiscriminately.

Bombardments will stop when Ukrainians decide they prefer Russia over the West?

Do you actually think that Russia destroying their cities and killing as many of them as possible really the best way to convince them that Russia is a better friend than the E.U.?

Well, do you have a better idea why Russia started this war?

I do have an idea. Putin doesn't give a shit what the Ukrainians prefer. He wants the Ukraine under his control regardless.

If it doesn't end up under his control, he can at least ensure that it won't be a prosperous example of democracy in operation on his doorstep any time soon.

 

[SigmatheZeta]

 

[Toni]

Holy cow! Did Donald Trump actually read a newspaper yesterday?!!

I wonder if he's still getting security reports that he doesn't read.

I think he’s not. I think most former presidents do but it is at the discretion of the sitting POTUS. Biden would be a fool to allow Trump to continue to be briefed.

 

[crazyfingers]

Holy cow! Did Donald Trump actually read a newspaper yesterday?!!

I wonder if he's still getting security reports that he doesn't read.

I think he’s not. I think most former presidents do but it is at the discretion of the sitting POTUS. Biden would be a fool to allow Trump to continue to be briefed.

I recall reading back when Biden took over that he chose not to allow Trump access to security briefings. It's unprecedented but clearly necessary for national security. It's super clear that Trump would just blab it right back to Putin. I recall one of the Trump children, I think it was the really stupid one, Eric, even blabbing that they can get as much cash as they want from the Russians.

 

[Elixir]

Holy cow! Did Donald Trump actually read a newspaper yesterday?!!

I wonder if he's still getting security reports that he doesn't read.

I think he’s not. I think most former presidents do but it is at the discretion of the sitting POTUS. Biden would be a fool to allow Trump to continue to be briefed.

If Biden was crafty, he'd load Cheato up on phony information that would embarrass the shit out of him AND Pootey.

 

[TSwizzle]

Biden would be a fool to allow Trump to continue to be briefed.

And there in lies the rub.

 

[Copernicus]

Holy cow! Did Donald Trump actually read a newspaper yesterday?!!

I wonder if he's still getting security reports that he doesn't read.

I think he’s not. I think most former presidents do but it is at the discretion of the sitting POTUS. Biden would be a fool to allow Trump to continue to be briefed.

Trump stopped getting security briefings after Jan. 6, 2021, while still president, and Biden made sure he didn't get them ever again.

Trump Never Got Another Classified Intelligence Briefing After Jan. 6

 

[Toni]

Biden would be a fool to allow Trump to continue to be briefed.

And there in lies the rub.

Whatever you think of Biden, he's nobody's fool. Copernicus is right in the post above. I just didn't have a link handy. And I did not know he no longer received security briefings after Jan. 6. I just knew he didn't after Biden was inaugurated.

 

[Toni]

Holy cow! Did Donald Trump actually read a newspaper yesterday?!!

I wonder if he's still getting security reports that he doesn't read.

I think he’s not. I think most former presidents do but it is at the discretion of the sitting POTUS. Biden would be a fool to allow Trump to continue to be briefed.

If Biden was crafty, he'd load Cheato up on phony information that would embarrass the shit out of him AND Pootey.

From what I understand, we've been messing with Putin's plans by releasing them ahead of time (prior to the actual invasion.)

If Putin wasn't embarrassed to have a pal/lap dog in Trump, he is well beyond any shame. Which is confirmed by his invasion of Ukraine without cause and invented pretext.

 

[SLD]

Holy cow! Did Donald Trump actually read a newspaper yesterday?!!

I wonder if he's still getting security reports that he doesn't read.

I think he’s not. I think most former presidents do but it is at the discretion of the sitting POTUS. Biden would be a fool to allow Trump to continue to be briefed.

If Biden was crafty, he'd load Cheato up on phony information that would embarrass the shit out of him AND Pootey.

From what I understand, we've been messing with Putin's plans by releasing them ahead of time (prior to the actual invasion.)

If Putin wasn't embarrassed to have a pal/lap dog in Trump, he is well beyond any shame. Which is confirmed by his invasion of Ukraine without cause and invented pretext.

I understand that they fear they have a mole because of so accurate intelligence.

 

[Jayjay]

I have my doubts.

He clarified that he didn't mean it would end the war:

 

[Elixir]

Holy cow! Did Donald Trump actually read a newspaper yesterday?!!

I wonder if he's still getting security reports that he doesn't read.

I think he’s not. I think most former presidents do but it is at the discretion of the sitting POTUS. Biden would be a fool to allow Trump to continue to be briefed.

If Biden was crafty, he'd load Cheato up on phony information that would embarrass the shit out of him AND Pootey.

From what I understand, we've been messing with Putin's plans by releasing them ahead of time (prior to the actual invasion.)

If Putin wasn't embarrassed to have a pal/lap dog in Trump, he is well beyond any shame. Which is confirmed by his invasion of Ukraine without cause and invented pretext.

I understand that they fear they have a mole because of so accurate intelligence.

I imagine that the mole recruitment industry is booming right now. Pootey has created plenty of reasons to be paranoid, and more every day.

 

[Toni]

Holy cow! Did Donald Trump actually read a newspaper yesterday?!!

I wonder if he's still getting security reports that he doesn't read.

I think he’s not. I think most former presidents do but it is at the discretion of the sitting POTUS. Biden would be a fool to allow Trump to continue to be briefed.

If Biden was crafty, he'd load Cheato up on phony information that would embarrass the shit out of him AND Pootey.

From what I understand, we've been messing with Putin's plans by releasing them ahead of time (prior to the actual invasion.)

If Putin wasn't embarrassed to have a pal/lap dog in Trump, he is well beyond any shame. Which is confirmed by his invasion of Ukraine without cause and invented pretext.

I understand that they fear they have a mole because of so accurate intelligence.

I imagine that the mole recruitment industry is booming right now. Pootey has created plenty of reasons to be paranoid, and more every day.

Well definitely, there are moles. Plural.

 

[blastula]

Russian domestic propaganda is very good.

Ukraine war: 'My city's being shelled, but mum won’t believe me'

These Ukrainians say their Russian relatives only trust the narratives they see on TV at home.

www.bbc.com

The 25-year-old has been speaking regularly to her mother, who lives in Moscow. But in these conversations, and even after sending videos from her heavily bombarded hometown, Oleksandra is unable to convince her mother about the danger she is in.

"I didn't want to scare my parents, but I started telling them directly that civilians and children are dying," she says.

"But even though they worry about me, they still say it probably happens only by accident, that the Russian army would never target civilians. That it's Ukrainians who're killing their own people."

"My parents understand that some military action is happening here. But they say: 'Russians came to liberate you. They won't ruin anything, they won't touch you. They're only targeting military bases'."

They travelled to Hungary, where Mykhailo left his wife and children and came back to Western Ukraine to help the war effort.
He was surprised not to have heard from his father, who works at a monastery near Nizhny Novgorod in Russia. He called his father and described what was happening. His father replied that this wasn't true; there was no war and - in fact - Russians were saving Ukraine from Nazis.

 

[bilby]

Today Putin is saying the sanctions are a declaration of war.

I was afraid that would happen.

Well, if Putin thinks war has already been declared, what's stopping NATO from bombing the shit out of his artillery around Ukrainian cities?

The only thing holding us back was supposed to be our reluctance to get into a war with Russia. If the Russians think we already are in such a war, what do we stand to lose by prosecuting that war, and throwing his forces out of Ukraine?

 

[steve_bank]

Russia unable to control the country and Ukrainians unable to expel the Russians is a stalemate.

Like the USA in Afghanistan Russia will stay in Ukraine at any cost knowing there is no political or military solution.

Biden took the political hit saying enough is enough we are getting out of Afghanistan.