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Male patients asked if they are pregnant at NHS Trust

What dodge?

Do you imagine every nurse can immediately discern which patients might possibly be pregnant, with 100% accuracy?
No, Nobody thinks so.

That's why nurses should ask all females if they might be pregnant.
Do you think every patient is obviously make or female? Or that trans individuals do not indicate their reassigned sex? Or that thee are no patients whose sex is ambiguous?

You know better. It is definitely not obvious for all individuals whether or not they might be pregnant or intending to become pregnant.
 
Do you think every patient is obviously make or female? Or that trans individuals do not indicate their reassigned sex? Or that thee are no patients whose sex is ambiguous?
I think the natal sex (which just means sex; sex is determined before birth and cannot change in mammals) of every patient should be recorded on their chart and wrist strap. No guessing needs to be involved by any nurse or doctor.

If a patient's sex is ambiguous, as may be in some tiny percentage of cases, they should be asked all the questions, including ones that are usually exclusive to females or exclusive to males.

A patient's gender is entirely irrelevant to the question of their pregnancy possibilities. For the avoidance of doubt, this means every trans man should be asked if they are pregnant before the relevant procedures.
 
What dodge?

Do you imagine every nurse can immediately discern which patients might possibly be pregnant, with 100% accuracy? Particularly while the patient is clothed and awaiting exam/treatment—which, typically is when questions are asked. Do you believe that every patient knows what information is abs is not pertinent? Or that they answer accurately?

You know nothing.
When i have been hospitalized, every time nurses administer drug treatments, they scan and verify my wrist band, bed number, verify the drug, the prescription, the dosage, and verbally ask me to confirm my name and birthday. Every time.

Other patients get testy to have to repeat (what corresponds to) Keith A. Company, 9-26-62.

They do this, not because they do not recognize me. Especially the third treatment in the same shift. It's because people who can give them orders want it done this way to protect the hospital legally.

They do not write their protocols to say, 'Ask every time until you're sure.' Or, '...unless you think you know better.' Or, '...unless you feel you're smarter than the protocol.'

Of course they're smarter than the protocol. It's ink on paper, no imagination, no discernment, no cognitive powers.

They also have no flexibility.

Ask all the questions every time.

This makes sense to me, as lives are directly affected. I got the 'Do you think you're smarter than the procedure?' shouting lecture with respect to mere nuclear weapons operations.

Incidentally, do not answer that question honestly. Hoo, boy.
 
Folks, I hate to break it to you but this sort of thing is going to keep happening as long as Western societies keep trying to eliminate -isms like sexism and ageism.

I saw something very much like this years ago in Boston when the beer sellers at Fenway Park asked my 70 y.o. father for ID because of a policy that every customer had to show they were old enough to legally buy the stuff. He came back to his seat laughing.
A female friend of mine was asked a few years ago for her ID when she bought some alcohol. She was 33 at the time (the legal buying age in Australia is 18). I was envious at her youthful appearance and chuckled.

But if I were to be 70 and be asked for ID to see if I were over 18, I don't think I would laugh. I think I would say "are you fucking kidding me. I am too old for this shit."
A lot of folks in their 70s might feel that way momentarily but do you really think being told "we treat everyone the same regardless of appearance" is something to get upset about?

Everyone has to present a valid ID to buy beer in Fenway Park. Everyone gets asked the same questions when being admitted for medical care at NHS England. What's the big whoop?
 
What dodge?

Do you imagine every nurse can immediately discern which patients might possibly be pregnant, with 100% accuracy? Particularly while the patient is clothed and awaiting exam/treatment—which, typically is when questions are asked. Do you believe that every patient knows what information is abs is not pertinent? Or that they answer accurately?

You know nothing.
When i have been hospitalized, every time nurses administer drug treatments, they scan and verify my wrist band, bed number, verify the drug, the prescription, the dosage, and verbally ask me to confirm my name and birthday. Every time.

Other patients get testy to have to repeat (what corresponds to) Keith A. Company, 9-26-62.
I was asked several times my name, year of birth, and address when I received my vaccine shots. I was asked at the entrance, at the sorting line, and just before I got the jab.

I am not against standard procedure. I am against changing standard procedure for no good reason.
 
A lot of folks in their 70s might feel that way momentarily but do you really think being told "we treat everyone the same regardless of appearance" is something to get upset about?

Everyone has to present a valid ID to buy beer in Fenway Park. Everyone gets asked the same questions when being admitted for medical care at NHS England. What's the big whoop?
The 'big whoop' was that there was no good reason to change the existing procedure. The change was made solely to appease gender cultists, and asking everybody the same questions is wasteful and can in some cases be confusing and embarassing or even insulting, and increases patient burden.

Nobody who is male needs to be asked if they are pregnant. The previous policy understood and acknowledged this.

Nurses and doctors do not guess the sex of their patients. The sex of an inpatient is on file, or transferred from a medical practitioner, or, if it is still somehow missing, asked of the patient upon admission. The sex of a patient and other vital details are recorded on the patient's wrist strap.

I await only the escalating madness that will result in gender cultists demanding that gender is recorded on wrist straps rather than sex.

EDIT: I didn't answer your first question. I fucking hate pretence and I hate administrative burden. If I reach 70, I want the right to be a cantankerous old man who sends soup back at the diner. I do not want a 20 fucking 2 year old to ask me for my ID to prove I am over 18.

Also, no, not everyone gets asked the same questions. Standard questions are -- or were -- tailored to a patient's circumstances. I would expect this from any passably competent organisation.
 
I was never a six year old girl, that's true, and if you personally did not mind that a tech asked if the six year old was pregnant, more power to you.

I would find it weird and offputting myself. I will ask the parents of some young girls this weekend to see what they say, so I can gain a wider perspective.

Nah, not more power to me, it’s just not the big deal you seem to think.

You know what is a big deal to a 6yo in a doctor’s office? Drawing blood for a lead test.
They don’t give a care about the questions. The pregnancy one would just make them say, “no, I haven’t <whatever parents told them about parenthood>” or “I’m not old enough.”

And most parents are mature enough to not flip out if the nurse asks an irrelevant question.

I think it was a dermatologist office? Can't quite remember, i was just so pleased i didn't have to remember how to spell Cesarean.Caesarean...
FIFY
Word lied to me? Inconseevable!

No Tigers s lying to you.
Cesarean is correct for births in the US.
He’s trying to dope you with Australian spellings.
 
Do you think every patient is obviously make or female? Or that trans individuals do not indicate their reassigned sex? Or that thee are no patients whose sex is ambiguous?
I think the natal sex (which just means sex; sex is determined before birth and cannot change in mammals) of every patient should be recorded on their chart and wrist strap. No guessing needs to be involved by any nurse or doctor.

If a patient's sex is ambiguous, as may be in some tiny percentage of cases, they should be asked all the questions, including ones that are usually exclusive to females or exclusive to males.

A patient's gender is entirely irrelevant to the question of their pregnancy possibilities. For the avoidance of doubt, this means every trans man should be asked if they are pregnant before the relevant procedures.
In the US, medical personnel speak directly with patients and do not go through their charts or grab their wrists.

You are making assumptions that medical personnel know immediately whether a lot patient is male or female, fertile or not, intending to be pregnant or pregnant or not.

You are making assumptions that asking a question of all or nearly all patients is onerous and that any inconvenience outweighs the potential for grave harm if they mistakenly do not ask someone who might be pregnant about a possible pregnancy.
 
Nah, not more power to me, it’s just not the big deal you seem to think.

You know what is a big deal to a 6yo in a doctor’s office? Drawing blood for a lead test.
They don’t give a care about the questions. The pregnancy one would just make them say, “no, I haven’t <whatever parents told them about parenthood>” or “I’m not old enough.”

And most parents are mature enough to not flip out if the nurse asks an irrelevant question.
Who said the only two possibilities were "not giving a shit" and "flipping out"?
 

I think it was a dermatologist office? Can't quite remember, i was just so pleased i didn't have to remember how to spell Cesarean.Caesarean...
FIFY
Word lied to me? Inconseevable!

No Tigers s lying to you.
Cesarean is correct for births in the US.
He’s trying to dope you with Australian spellings.

Word insufficiently alerted me to all the possible options?Fuckin' Big Tech....
 
It really is a cult. What next “go ahead, just make the sign of a cross, what’s the big whoop?”

I didn't answer your first question. I fucking hate pretence and I hate administrative burden. If I reach 70, I want the right to be a cantankerous old man who sends soup back at the diner. I do not want a 20 fucking 2 year old to ask me for my ID to prove I am over 18.

If a bar staff ask me to show ID to buy beer, I don’t tip them. It’s fucking ridiculous, they know it’s ridiculous but more fool them for going along with it.
 
What dodge?

Do you imagine every nurse can immediately discern which patients might possibly be pregnant, with 100% accuracy? Particularly while the patient is clothed and awaiting exam/treatment—which, typically is when questions are asked. Do you believe that every patient knows what information is abs is not pertinent? Or that they answer accurately?

You know nothing.
When i have been hospitalized, every time nurses administer drug treatments, they scan and verify my wrist band, bed number, verify the drug, the prescription, the dosage, and verbally ask me to confirm my name and birthday. Every time.

Other patients get testy to have to repeat (what corresponds to) Keith A. Company, 9-26-62.
I was asked several times my name, year of birth, and address when I received my vaccine shots. I was asked at the entrance, at the sorting line, and just before I got the jab.

I am not against standard procedure. I am against changing standard procedure for no good reason.
I don’t mean this as any sort of insult to you but you honestly are not in a position to know whether or not a question is pertinent in a medical setting.
 
Nah, not more power to me, it’s just not the big deal you seem to think.

You know what is a big deal to a 6yo in a doctor’s office? Drawing blood for a lead test.
They don’t give a care about the questions. The pregnancy one would just make them say, “no, I haven’t <whatever parents told them about parenthood>” or “I’m not old enough.”

And most parents are mature enough to not flip out if the nurse asks an irrelevant question.
Who said the only two possibilities were "not giving a shit" and "flipping out"?


Now that’s an odd response.

1. I didn’t say “not giving a shit”
2. One response I mentioned was about the 6yo and the other was about a parent, so
3. Those are not the only possibilities.

What an odd reply. It’s as if you didn’t read what I wrote, you just chose to react emotionally.
 
In the US, medical personnel speak directly with patients and do not go through their charts or grab their wrists.
Wow! I know doctors were smart but they often seem to keep records. It seems like they are much more prodigiously smart in the US and don't keep notes at all!
You are making assumptions that medical personnel know immediately whether a lot patient is male or female, fertile or not, intending to be pregnant or pregnant or not.
I am making no such assumptions, and you have continually ignored what I've repeatedly said.

The previous procedure instructed medical personnel to ask female patients of the possibility of their pregnancy. That was the correct procedure. The only reason the procedure changed was to cater to gender cultists.
You are making assumptions that asking a question of all or nearly all patients is onerous
Asking questions known to be unnecessary is wasteful and burdensome on questioner and questionee. It also has the potential to be confusing, ableist, to cast doubt on the professionality of the questioner, and to be demeaning.

and that any inconvenience outweighs the potential for grave harm if they mistakenly do not ask someone who might be pregnant about a possible pregnancy.
And for the umpteenth time:

All females should be asked the question.

No males should be asked the question.

That's what the previous policy did. There was never any 'grave harm' resulting from following this previous procedure, which most NHS Trusts in the UK still do.

This new policy arose solely to cater to gender cultists. There was no good reason for it.
 
And for the umpteenth time:

All females should be asked the question.
Wait, you said not 6 year olds, because it would be disturbing to them annd heir parents.

So “for the umpteenth time,” you are not being coherent.
 
What dodge?

Do you imagine every nurse can immediately discern which patients might possibly be pregnant, with 100% accuracy? Particularly while the patient is clothed and awaiting exam/treatment—which, typically is when questions are asked. Do you believe that every patient knows what information is abs is not pertinent? Or that they answer accurately?

You know nothing.
When i have been hospitalized, every time nurses administer drug treatments, they scan and verify my wrist band, bed number, verify the drug, the prescription, the dosage, and verbally ask me to confirm my name and birthday. Every time.

Other patients get testy to have to repeat (what corresponds to) Keith A. Company, 9-26-62.
I was asked several times my name, year of birth, and address when I received my vaccine shots. I was asked at the entrance, at the sorting line, and just before I got the jab.

I am not against standard procedure. I am against changing standard procedure for no good reason.
I don’t mean this as any sort of insult to you but you honestly are not in a position to know whether or not a question is pertinent in a medical setting.
The only person in this conversation who has proved herself not to be able to make reasonable judgments is you.

No male person has the possibility of being or becoming pregnant. Ever. That you think it is important to ask males of the possibility shows you are achingly ignorant of human biology and shouldn't be anywhere near a medical setting in any professional capacity.
 
And for the umpteenth time:

All females should be asked the question.
Wait, you said not 6 year olds, because it would be disturbing to them annd heir parents.

So “for the umpteenth time,” you are not being coherent.
Yes, I changed my mind.

Since you think it is no big deal to ask six year old girls, and Toni thinks 70 year old women should be asked, I will allow the extra burden on women.

Ask all females, and ask only females or those whose sex cannot be detemined, of the possibility of their pregnancy.
 

I think it was a dermatologist office? Can't quite remember, i was just so pleased i didn't have to remember how to spell Cesarean.Caesarean...
FIFY
Word lied to me? Inconseevable!
Yes Microsoft uses American English instead of correct Queen's English.
Are people composing responses in Microsoft Word before they transfer to the forum????

EDIT: The forum defaults to American English, but I ignore the red squiggly lines trying to impose American on me.
 

I think it was a dermatologist office? Can't quite remember, i was just so pleased i didn't have to remember how to spell Cesarean.Caesarean...
FIFY
Word lied to me? Inconseevable!
Yes Microsoft uses American English instead of correct Queen's English.
As an American using American wordity, I could possibly care a teensy bit less, maybe with drugs.

I mean, it's pretty far from the salient detail of my medical hysteresis.
 
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