And why shouldn't we believe them when they say the reason is the very existence of Israel?
You have failed to demonstrate any other feasible choices. You came up with a couple of Trump-level proposals and that's it. Nor have you pointed to anyone else with a viable proposal. All the "answers" that keep being tossed around amount to appeasement. Stop the fighting now, ignore what that means for the future. You did not even address the article I posted about it.
Feasible?!
Which does absolutely nothing about the fundamental problem: that Hamas wants to destroy Israel.
Holocaust 2.0. Amazing how popular that is with the left.
In other words, a handwaved non-answer.
I see no cow.
The de-facto government of Gaza is Hamas. Hamas has said the fundamental reason for the conflict is the existence of Israel and the existence of Jews. It doesn't really matter what the people want because they don't have a voice. But previous polls have shown that they favor genocide--I haven't seen a recent poll. This is not being racist, it would be unlikely that there would be any other outcome when for a lifetime the educational system has been controlled by those who seek genocide.
It's still a non-answer. Your faith in the existence of a something else doesn't make it so.
If you cannot see there is a wide middle between doing nothing and inhumane death and destruction of Gazans without invoking the specter of Holocaust 2.0 or Satan, then rational discussion appears hopeless to this poster.
There are some hotheads in Israel calling for ethnic cleansing. However, the war is not ethnic cleansing by any means. It looks like the real numbers are about 1.5:1 civilian:combatant. For urban combat that is overwhelmingly superior to what the world has seen before even before you consider Hamas' use of human shield tactics.
Option C: pretend unpleasant reality does not exist. We are not understood because our words are blasphemy in that we are going against the faith that there must be a good answer.
I am not the one pruning the relevant quotes.
He didn't post word salad, he gave you a dilemma incompatible with your faith so you failed to understand it. There is one binary choice between his options--either collateral damage is acceptable or it isn't. There can be no third value to a binary. Everything beyond that is simply looking at the consequences of the two paths.
So you are choosing option A. Satan will be pleased as you follow the road of good intentions.
Do you really believe Hamas can be destroyed completely and stop the terror attacks completely. That if enough Gazans are killed they will give up their ambitions?
I'm asking for names and dates, not bullshit and blather.
That's just delusional. Stop swall
So why not just destroy it all?
The biggest error is some people's support of the actions in Israel is the equating of Netanyahu as Israel. Israel has every single right to defend itself from Hamas, and that can even mean going on the offensive against Hamas. Getting closer to six months in and progress towards the "destroy Hamas" goal while better than Russia's 50 year invasion plan of Ukraine, it no where near completion. All the while, Israeli soldiers are also getting hurt and dying. Expanding the harm among Israelis and their families, not contracting it.
Because Israelis and Zionists are more moral and compassionate than Gazans and Islamicists.
They aren't straw men; and if you don't appreciate people inferring your position by extrapolation when you duck their questions, you always have the option of not ducking their questions.
You are deeply and sadly mistaken. But thanks for the advice - it is shows the old adage that those who cannot do, teach still has some legs.
Iran and Hezbollah would have likely responded. The UN would have sanctioned the fuck out of Israel. US would have turned off the tap. Let's not mistake not committing larger war crimes as some sort of benevolence on the part of Netanyahu, the dude who is leading this military effort that is getting a lot of people killed for intolerably low gains (and also helped get a former Israeli PM assassinated).
What part is sarcastic? Neta was asleep at the wheel on 10.7. His popularity is way down in Israel. I’d be surprised if he survives politically.
