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How should west respond to potential (likely) Russian invasion of Ukraine?

aupmanyav said:
Harry Bosch said:
Well, it's not their land!! However, are you trying to say that they only way for Russia to keep the land that they've stolen is to continue to push forward and steal more land? I actually think that Ukraine might be forced into some kind of plan to trade land for peace. I don't think that they'll be able to push Russia out of the land its stolen. But this should be decided by Ukraine. And there can be no chance of this unless there is a peace that can be offered to Ukraine! No reasonable person would trust Russia. The only way for a long-term peace to come to the region is for a strong Ukraine with substantial arms that can defend itself against a very large bully country on it's border. If you disagree, just reduce Indian defenses on your border with Pakistan; what do you think would happen?
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So, the only way for Ukraine is to surrender the occupied territory. Then what for they are fighting all along for? NATO?
How will peace come to a conflict if only one party decides?
If it cedes territories, then there is no need for it to be strong. Why all this arms aid?
Basically, your post is full of contradictions. NATO is the trouble-maker.
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That's an absolutely insane reading of the conflict imho

Here’s your logic, if a woman is beaten by her husband and tries to get external help then she's to blame for the abuse
 
DrZoidberg said:
Here’s your logic, if a woman is beaten by her husband and tries to get external help then she's to blame for the abuse
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That's actually your logic. Eastern Ukraine had endured 8 years of abuse from Nazi Regime you installed before they voted to leave that shithole and rejoin Russia.
 
SLD said:

Is this an attack by Russia on Germany? An article 5 issue?

Once they start attacking people in our alliance, is it any different than attacking the countries in our alliance?
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Not blatant enough, I reckon. We'll find some way to smack Putin on the nose for his bad behavior.
It is good to know US intelligence is discovering these plots. At ISW it was worded as this being "the most developed plot".
Foiled again, Vlad.
 
TV and credit cards said:
SLD said:

Is this an attack by Russia on Germany? An article 5 issue?

Once they start attacking people in our alliance, is it any different than attacking the countries in our alliance?
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Not blatant enough, I reckon. We'll find some way to smack Putin on the nose for his bad behavior.
It is good to know US intelligence is discovering these plots. At ISW it was worded as this being "the most developed plot".
Foiled again, Vlad.
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FBI/CIA are fucking liars.
 
barbos said:
About that Bucha story. Very inconvenient for EU/US scambags.
www.tvr.by

Czech mercenary confesses that Ukrainian military robbed and shot civilians in Bucha

Czech mercenary admitted to work as an executioner in the AFU. In particular, in the shooting of people in Bucha. This is written by the Czech media
www.tvr.by www.tvr.by
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Seriously, there are eyewitnesses, victims of torture, victims of rape and even victims who were actually shot but survived by feigning being dead. All of them say "Russians" when asked who did it.
 
Ovazor said:
barbos said:
About that Bucha story. Very inconvenient for EU/US scambags.
www.tvr.by

Czech mercenary confesses that Ukrainian military robbed and shot civilians in Bucha

Czech mercenary admitted to work as an executioner in the AFU. In particular, in the shooting of people in Bucha. This is written by the Czech media
www.tvr.by www.tvr.by
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Seriously, there are eyewitnesses, victims of torture, victims of rape and even victims who were actually shot but survived by feigning being dead. All of them say "Russians" when asked who did it.
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Says who?
The Nazi government who with all these witnesses decided not to investigate it?
We have real vitness here who says ukrainians did that, not russians.
And he was not really asked. He did it on his own. The guy is clearly not smart enough to lie
 
Ben Hodges finally admits that he has been talking BS for 2 years about his analysis of the War in Ukraine.
That's about time.
 
barbos said:
Says who?
The Nazi government who with all these witnesses decided not to investigate it?
We have real vitness here who says ukrainians did that, not russians.
And he was not really asked. He did it on his own. The guy is clearly not smart enough to lie
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No, I am not talking about the Russian nazi government who declared it staged without bothering as much as ask sergeant sergey if his men have behaved.

There are scores of genuine local witnesses, some of who carry the scars for rest of their lives. They all say it was the Russians.
 
Ovazor said:
barbos said:
Says who?
The Nazi government who with all these witnesses decided not to investigate it?
We have real witness here who says ukrainians did that, not russians.
And he was not really asked. He did it on his own. The guy is clearly not smart enough to lie
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No, I am not talking about the Russian nazi government who declared it staged without bothering as much as ask sergeant sergey if his men have behaved.
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You can't talk about it since it does not exist. Ukrainian nazi government however does exist.
Ovazor said:
There are scores of genuine local witnesses, some of who carry the scars for rest of their lives. They all say it was the Russians.
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And yet Nazi Regime in Kiev decided NOT to investigate events in Bucha, I wonder why, I wonder why.
What did they know and when they knew it?
Now with this Czech case we are getting answers to these questions.
You must be one of these people who believe in Russia blowing up NordStream, WMD in Iraq, Russian putting bounties on american soldiers, RussiaGate. Funny how there have never been even a hint of investigation.
 
I'm surprised how far down the ranking India is in the world press rankings. Just a few notches above Russia (159 & 162). That might explain a few things here.

Index

RSF's World Press Freedom Index aims to compare the level of press freedom enjoyed by journalists and media in 180 countries and territories.
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TV and credit cards said:
I'm surprised how far down the ranking India is in the world press rankings. Just a few notches above Russia (159 & 162). That might explain a few things here.

Index

RSF's World Press Freedom Index aims to compare the level of press freedom enjoyed by journalists and media in 180 countries and territories.
rsf.org rsf.org
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With the exception of Assange, your press appears to be free, that is you are free to print any garbage you want. In fact, you are encouraged to print BS in order to dilute and discredit real journalism. Then MSM goes out and ignores real journalists occasionally pointing fingers at freaks like Alex Jones.
Your regimes prefer softer coercion with money to heavy hand approach Russia uses.
 
barbos said:
TV and credit cards said:
I'm surprised how far down the ranking India is in the world press rankings. Just a few notches above Russia (159 & 162). That might explain a few things here.

Index

RSF's World Press Freedom Index aims to compare the level of press freedom enjoyed by journalists and media in 180 countries and territories.
rsf.org rsf.org
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With the exception of Assange, your press appears to be free, that is you are free to print any garbage you want. In fact, you are encouraged to print BS in order to dilute and discredit real journalism. Then MSM goes out and ignores real journalists occasionally pointing fingers at freaks like Alex Jones.
Your regimes prefer softer coercion with money to heavy hand approach Russia uses.
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Pot, meet kettle.
 
barbos said:
TV and credit cards said:
I'm surprised how far down the ranking India is in the world press rankings. Just a few notches above Russia (159 & 162). That might explain a few things here.

Index

RSF's World Press Freedom Index aims to compare the level of press freedom enjoyed by journalists and media in 180 countries and territories.
rsf.org rsf.org
Click to expand...
With the exception of Assange, your press appears to be free, that is you are free to print any garbage you want. In fact, you are encouraged to print BS in order to dilute and discredit real journalism. Then MSM goes out and ignores real journalists occasionally pointing fingers at freaks like Alex Jones.
Your regimes prefer softer coercion with money to heavy hand approach Russia uses.
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Reuters has served me well, not just for news but for newsworthiness.
 
DrZoidberg said:
Here’s your logic, if a woman is beaten by her husband and tries to get external help then she's to blame for the abuse.
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Why was the woman beaten by her husband? Did she side with his enemies? Let us listen to the husband's story.
Of course, physical violence is a crime.
 
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