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Shadowy Man said:
Emily Lake said:
Anyone who is a natural born US citizen over the age of 35 is qualified.
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And not an insurrectionist.
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That is not currently a disqualification. Might however, be something that congress should consider adding to Article 2? I'd want a formal charge of such to be required, not just sentiment from some members of the public. But realistically, I think there's a good argument to be made that some additional qualification standards should be considered and included - I'd like a maximum age, no felonies, and some reasonable mental competency requirements.
 
It's so funny that Republicans try to make such a point about their opponents being "divisive" when they are transparently unable to maintain a civil tongue for ten seconds. It's like none of them ever had mothers to teach them how to behave in public, except I know that they both did.

Read an opinion piece this morning, from Thomas Friedman, which sums up the embarassment of this weekend. Even before you get to the radical attacks on race and the like, the conservative presidential candidates demonstrated an inability to show even an ounce of class about Biden's decision to step down:
“The Democrats pick a candidate, Crooked Joe Biden, he loses the Debate badly, then panics, and makes mistake after mistake, is told he can’t win, and decide they will pick another candidate, probably Harris,” Trump wrote on social media on Monday. He later added: “It’s not over! Tomorrow Crooked Joe Biden’s going to wake up and forget that he dropped out of the race today!”

Not to be out-lowballed by his boss, Vance wrote on social media: “Joe Biden has been the worst President in my lifetime and Kamala Harris has been right there with him every step of the way.”

All they had to say was: “President Biden served his country for five decades and at this moment we thank him for that service. Tomorrow our campaign begins against his replacement. Bring her on.’’

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I’m sure it brought them joy. But it sure left me wondering: What is wrong with you people?
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Politesse said:
“ it sure left me wondering: What is wrong with you people?”
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I suspect they don’t GAF.
Their intent is to steal whatever they can’t win in November. Right now the point is to rationalize doing what they plan to do when they lose.
 
‘Childless cat ladies,’ Jennifer Aniston, and Swifties take on JD Vance

Three years ago, well before JD Vance was selected as Donald Trump’s running mate, he suggested in a TV interview that some Democrats including Vice President Harris are “a bunch of childless cat ladies who are miserable.”

Those 2021 comments are resurfacing on social media now that Harris is the likely Democratic nominee, sparking a fresh wave of anger from women who say it’s offensive to those struggling with fertility issues — and inaccurate that people without children “don’t really have a direct stake” in the country’s future.

At the same time, many on social media are embracing and owning the “childless cat lady” label as a point of pride, with many even pointing to reported billionaire Taylor Swift as a prime example of a highly successful one — seen even on her 2023 Time “Person of the Year” cover with her fluffy ragdoll wrapped around her neck.


“There’s a movement,” declared Nikki Barnes, a previous member of the Democratic National Committee from Florida, accompanied by a “Childless cat ladies for Harris 2024” image quickly amassing nearly 2 million views. On TikTok, people are snapping up “Cat ladies for Harris 2024” stickers.
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Shadowy Man said:
Emily Lake said:
Shadowy Man said:
Emily Lake said:
Anyone who is a natural born US citizen over the age of 35 is qualified.
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And not an insurrectionist.
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That is not currently a disqualification.
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so, you have your own interpretation of section 3 of the 14th amendment?
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No one who respects the Constitution would support Trump in the first place. He demonstrated his callous contempt for it before his presidency even began.
 
Shadowy Man said:
Emily Lake said:
Shadowy Man said:
Emily Lake said:
Anyone who is a natural born US citizen over the age of 35 is qualified.
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And not an insurrectionist.
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That is not currently a disqualification.
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so, you have your own interpretation of section 3 of the 14th amendment?
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Even SCOTUS recognizes that Emily is bullshitting here - or just ignorant of the facts.
US Constitution sez:

No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice-President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any State, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof.
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Politesse said:
Shadowy Man said:
Emily Lake said:
Shadowy Man said:
Emily Lake said:
Anyone who is a natural born US citizen over the age of 35 is qualified.
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And not an insurrectionist.
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That is not currently a disqualification.
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so, you have your own interpretation of section 3 of the 14th amendment?
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No one who respects the Constitution would support Trump in the first place. He demonstrated his callous contempt for it before his presidency even began.
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There are tons of people that most reasonable folks wouldn't support, but who are still not actually disqualified.
 
Elixir said:
Shadowy Man said:
Emily Lake said:
Shadowy Man said:
Emily Lake said:
Anyone who is a natural born US citizen over the age of 35 is qualified.
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And not an insurrectionist.
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That is not currently a disqualification.
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so, you have your own interpretation of section 3 of the 14th amendment?
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Even SCOTUS recognizes that Emily is bullshitting here - or just ignorant of the facts.
US Constitution sez:
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Neither ignorant nor bullshitting. But definitely a very poorly expressed sentiment written in a hurry and extremely misleading on my part.

That's not currently a disqualification for Trump (as Trump was clearly implied). Trump has not been found guilty of insurrection and hyperbolic sentiments don't override law.
 
ZiprHead said:
‘Childless cat ladies,’ Jennifer Aniston, and Swifties take on JD Vance

Three years ago, well before JD Vance was selected as Donald Trump’s running mate, he suggested in a TV interview that some Democrats including Vice President Harris are “a bunch of childless cat ladies who are miserable.”

Those 2021 comments are resurfacing on social media now that Harris is the likely Democratic nominee, sparking a fresh wave of anger from women who say it’s offensive to those struggling with fertility issues — and inaccurate that people without children “don’t really have a direct stake” in the country’s future.

At the same time, many on social media are embracing and owning the “childless cat lady” label as a point of pride, with many even pointing to reported billionaire Taylor Swift as a prime example of a highly successful one — seen even on her 2023 Time “Person of the Year” cover with her fluffy ragdoll wrapped around her neck.


“There’s a movement,” declared Nikki Barnes, a previous member of the Democratic National Committee from Florida, accompanied by a “Childless cat ladies for Harris 2024” image quickly amassing nearly 2 million views. On TikTok, people are snapping up “Cat ladies for Harris 2024” stickers.
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Imagine if she had given birth to 5 children after 3 divorces in which she had cheated on her earlier husbands by the one she married next in line and then went on to have sex with a gigolo while pregnant with her fifth child. But Republicans have to work with the material that they have, not the material they wish they had.
 
Emily Lake said:
Elixir said:
Shadowy Man said:
Emily Lake said:
Shadowy Man said:
Emily Lake said:
Anyone who is a natural born US citizen over the age of 35 is qualified.
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And not an insurrectionist.
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That is not currently a disqualification.
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so, you have your own interpretation of section 3 of the 14th amendment?
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Even SCOTUS recognizes that Emily is bullshitting here - or just ignorant of the facts.
US Constitution sez:
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Neither ignorant nor bullshitting. But definitely a very poorly expressed sentiment written in a hurry and extremely misleading on my part.

That's not currently a disqualification for Trump (as Trump was clearly implied). Trump has not been found guilty of insurrection and hyperbolic sentiments don't override law.
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My comment wasn’t about Trump as yours wasn’t. I thought I was just correcting an inaccurate statement of fact.

It’s not a disqualification that has been applied to Trump by Congress, which the SC decided (somewhat nonsensically) was the only body capable of applying it.
 
Emily Lake said:
Trump has not been found CRIMINALLY guilty of insurrection.
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FIFY (again) Emily
The Colorado Supreme Court ruled that Trump is an Insurrectionist, and even the SCOTUS didn't disagree when the eligibility case was before them. The fab five basically said "so what?"
 
Emily Lake said:
Elixir said:
Shadowy Man said:
Emily Lake said:
Shadowy Man said:
Emily Lake said:
Anyone who is a natural born US citizen over the age of 35 is qualified.
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And not an insurrectionist.
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That is not currently a disqualification.
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so, you have your own interpretation of section 3 of the 14th amendment?
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Even SCOTUS recognizes that Emily is bullshitting here - or just ignorant of the facts.
US Constitution sez:
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Neither ignorant nor bullshitting. But definitely a very poorly expressed sentiment written in a hurry and extremely misleading on my part.

That's not currently a disqualification for Trump (as Trump was clearly implied). Trump has not been found guilty of insurrection and hyperbolic sentiments don't override law.
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or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof.

Do you think making the capital police practically fight hand to hand combat for three hours without providing them aid while watching it on TV and laughing about it while his staff and his family pleaded with him send them help and then telling them "We love you." is not providing aid and comfort to the enemies?
 
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Elixir said:
Emily Lake said:
Trump has not been found CRIMINALLY guilty of insurrection.
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FIFY (again) Emily
The Colorado Supreme Court ruled that Trump is an Insurrectionist, and even the SCOTUS didn't disagree when the eligibility case was before them. The fab five basically said "so what?"
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The 14th sec 3 says nothing about found guilty. It just says "engaged in and given aid or comfort to".

Damn, Zipper beat me!
 
After listening to Harris speak on Israel, she is a breath of fresh air.

She correctly IMO framed the Israel - Palestinian conflict, not a binary issue. Pro a two state solution. Netanyahu likely not very happy.

She is probably too soft on immigration for me, but she has my vote.

Speaks and looks presidential.
 
robnisch said:
Elixir said:
Emily Lake said:
Trump has not been found CRIMINALLY guilty of insurrection.
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FIFY (again) Emily
The Colorado Supreme Court ruled that Trump is an Insurrectionist, and even the SCOTUS didn't disagree when the eligibility case was before them. The fab five basically said "so what?"
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The 14th sec 3 says nothing about found guilty. It just says "engaged in and given aid or comfort to".

Damn, Zipper beat me!
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The vast majority of those that were disqualified by the amendment were not adjudicated of anything.
 
Emily Lake said:
But realistically, I think there's a good argument to be made that some additional qualification standards should be considered and included - I'd like a maximum age, no felonies, and some reasonable mental competency requirements.
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Careful what you wish for. Cain't some "judge" in the hollers of a QOPAnon-controlled state find any D guilty of a trumped-up felony? And as for "mental competency", Alabama once tested prospective voters for literacy. How did that work out for all y'all?

The forefathers hoped that H. sapiens was an intelligent species that would avoid electing psychopaths, traitors and criminals. If that hope has broken down, I don't think patching a few laws will save us.

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The "natural-born citizen" requirement is often misunderstood. Ted Cruz was born in Calgary, Canada but he is eligible for the Big Job. My own children -- with a single American parent -- became eligible as soon as I filed the Notification of American Birth. Had the single American parent been mother instead of father, not even the Notification would have been needed -- or at least that was the law then.
 
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Trump's sister says "you can't trust him" in secretly recorded audio

The audio was recorded between 2018 and 2019 by Mr. Trump's niece, Mary Trump.
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In secretly recorded audio, Maryanne Trump Barry, the eldest sister of President Trump, criticized her brother for his lack of principles, his lying and said, "you can't trust him." The audio, first reported by the Washington Post and obtained in part by CBS News was recorded between 2018 and 2019 by Mr. Trump's niece, Mary Trump, who recently published a tell-all book about the president.

In one recording, which has not been independently verified by CBS News, Barry criticizes Mr. Trump's immigration policies and his "lack of preparation" and "lying." Barry also recalls learning that Mr. Trump suggested sending her to the U.S.-Mexico border to support his administration's policies.

In the recording, she decries "what they're doing with kids at the border," and recalls telling a relative, "Well, I guess he hasn't read my immigration opinions." When asked by Mary what Mr. Trump has read, Barry replies, "No. He doesn't read."

In a number of recordings, Barry is heard complaining about Mr. Trump's character. "Donald is out for Donald, period," she said in one exchange. "All he wants to do is appeal to his base," Barry said in another recording. "He has no principles. None. None."
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It seems the people that know Trump best, including his White House staff, don't think he is fit for office.
 
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