The Race For 2024

[steve_bank]

Bernie Sanders is doing to Harris what he did to Clinton.

Criticizing, chastising, and perching from the pulpit and no endorsement.

Berni should retire before he becomes fossilized and desiccated.

I am starting to feel hopeful she will beat Trump.

 

[blastula]

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Bernie Sanders is doing to Harris what he did to Clinton.

Criticizing, chastising, and perching from the pulpit and no endorsement.

Berni should retire before he becomes fossilized and desiccated.

Before?

I am starting to feel hopeful she will beat Trump.

Harris should be good enough. Dobbs is always there under the surface. The Democrats need a candidate that can run and sell a message. I'd say Biden's biggest fault was while he was nuanced, he never sold nuance. Harris with Gaza made a clear statement regarding the lack of a binary standing on Gaza. That stuff is important when trying to get support among multiple sides of the Gazan problem.

 

[ZiprHead]

Just heard: Sponge Don Scaredy Pants.

 

[ZiprHead]

 

[ZiprHead]

Why did the chicken cross the road?

To avoid debating Kamala Harris

 

[ZiprHead]

 

[southernhybrid]

I think Kamala can beat Trump. I've never seen so much enthusiasm for a Democratic candidate in my lifetime and I was born when Truman was president. She's gathering more excitement and raising more money than Obama did. When a group of woman called, "Black women for Harris", another group called "White women for. Harris" quickly appeared. How about just "Women for Harris" or "Voters for Harris". She has far more charisma than I originally thought. She has a fantastic sense humor and can laugh at herself, unlike her toddler opponent. She's bright and experienced and assuming she picks a white male governor with lots of experience that should help bring in more independents. I want a diversity ticket, although I'll vote for her regardless of who becomes her VP.

And here's a little chuckle. Last night Mr. Sohy called his old boss, a guy who we both like and have gotten together with at times. Don is a Democrat who is thinking of taking a temporary consulting job in West Virginia. He told Mr. Sohy that a lot of people in WV aren't going to vote because they despise the way Vance has described and denigrated people in their area in his book.They won't vote for a Democrat, so they will just not vote, since they can't stomach the idea of voting for a ticket with JD Vance on it. We had a good laugh over that. Not saying the Dems can win WV, but maybe more Republicans will leave off the presidential vote due to Vance or I hope due to Trump.

My neighbor said she hopes the stress kills Trump. I said I hope he loses in a landslide because that would kill him, metaphorically speaking or maybe literally.

 

[Elixir]

My neighbor said she hopes the stress kills Trump.

I hope he lives to see himself so thoroughly trounced at the polls that he ODs on adderall or whatever evil shit he’s been taking.

If things don’t radically change (again) I feel like that might happen.

 

[Politesse]

I said I hope he loses in a landslide because that would kill him, metaphorically speaking or maybe literally.

I'm pretty sure his people have a backup plan in place, if the election results don't agree with their beliefs about what the American people want and need.

 

[Elixir]

That's not currently a disqualification for Trump (as Trump was clearly implied). Trump has not been found guilty of insurrection and hyperbolic sentiments don't override law.

Has it taken lots of practice to remain so ignorant of history, @Emily Lake ?
14.3 was written SPECIFICALLY to keep Jefferson Davis from gaining office.
There is ZERO chance that Congress was going to let him be president once it was passed, EVEN THOUGH HE WAS NEVER CHARGED. WHY? Because he was an insurrectionist and everybody knew it.
JUST LIKE TRUMP.

 

[thebeave]

Why did the chicken cross the road?

To avoid debating Kamala Harris

Is he really ascared of a debate for real this time, though?

A debate is what eliminated his last opponent.

 

[Elixir]

I'm pretty sure his people have a backup plan in place

It’s not like they’re keeping that a secret.
There will be violence when Cheato loses, and there will be more election fraud allegations and refusal to accept results than ever before. The GQP Congresscritters will try to throw it to the States: one State, one vote. Absent some red State turning blue, that turns America fascist.
THOSE ARE CHEATO’S MARCHING ORDERS. Public info.

 

[Elixir]

Why did the chicken cross the road?

To avoid debating Kamala Harris

Is he really ascared of a debate for real this time, though?

A debate is what eliminated his last opponent.

His last opponent wasn’t a prosecutor who is used to dealing with liars.
I predict Trump won’t show up.

 

[thebeave]

Why did the chicken cross the road?

To avoid debating Kamala Harris

Is he really ascared of a debate for real this time, though?

A debate is what eliminated his last opponent.

His last opponent wasn’t a prosecutor who is used to dealing with liars.
I predict Trump won’t show up.

Kamala's poor debating performance is largely what contributed to her dropping out before the primaries in 2020. Is there reason to believe it has improved since then? Kamala is capable of some pretty whopper lies herself (like any politician).

 

[Elixir]

Is there reason to believe it has improved since then?

Tellya what - I can’t wait to find out.
I don’t think Dolt45 is so sanguine about it.

 

[unapologetic]

Anyone who is a natural born US citizen over the age of 35 is qualified.

And not an insurrectionist.

That is not currently a disqualification.

so, you have your own interpretation of section 3 of the 14th amendment?

Even SCOTUS recognizes that Emily is bullshitting here - or just ignorant of the facts.
US Constitution sez:

No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice-President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any State, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof.

Yeah, But...
That decision is left up to congress And congress has already failed to convict Rump. So Emily is right. Insurrection is not absolutely a disqualification. There is no vetting authority for candidacy, other than the partys.

 

[thebeave]

Is there reason to believe it has improved since then?

Tellya what - I can’t wait to find out.
I don’t think Dolt45 is so sanguine about it.

We'll see. I could be wrong. Maybe she has been reading the "Debating for Dummies" how-to guide the last four years.

 

[unapologetic]

The vast majority of those that were disqualified by the amendment were not adjudicated of anything.

Disqualified by who, exactly? Just what authority enforces this? Who officially vets candidates?

What decision?

The decision to impeach. Congress decided to let an insurrectionist stay in office, to run again. If they convicted him, even for just a few weeks, he couldn't run now. So no, being an insurrectionist is not a disqualification, if the present congress ignores it. 14.3 is toothless.

 

[Copernicus]

Is there reason to believe it has improved since then?

Tellya what - I can’t wait to find out.
I don’t think Dolt45 is so sanguine about it.

We'll see. I could be wrong. Maybe she has been reading the "Debating for Dummies" how-to guide the last four years.

Why do we call it a debate? It bears little resemblance to real debate. It is basically an extended interview by one or two moderators in which each participant is invited to expound upon a specific topic. The Lincoln-Douglas debates were entirely different events in which the participants actually expounded at length on their campaign themes and attacked each other's positions without moderators trying to direct their content. Donald Trump never really debates, because he often simply doesn't address the question put to him, but rambles and rants about whatever comes into his head at the moment. For him, it is a standup routine. A performance for his audience. Biden attempted to answer questions directly, but his mind wasn't in it and he sometimes lost his train of thought in his last debate. Kamala Harris is a clear speaker who can answer fluently without all of the verbal stumbles or rambling that both Biden and Trump make. So her "debate" performance is likely to be focused and clear compared to Trump's. Trump is stalling now, because he does seem to be genuinely flummoxed and afraid of her. There will be time for him to recover before September, so I'm half-expecting Trump to reach agreement to the original setup or something that is acceptable to Harris.