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The Race For 2024

Derec said:
ZiprHead said:
Those righties are such nice people.
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What's so wrong with joking that a well-known Israel hater like Mehdi Hassan might have a Hezbollah pager?
It's certainly not a "racist comment".
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No, it's completely inappropriate in the circumstance and almost a threat. And to accept that it was a joke is just fucking pathetic.
 
Tigers! said:
A question about the process after the election.
Why is there such a long time between the election and the coronation (early Nov - late Jan)?
In Aust. the new government is sworn in a couple of days after the election count is completed. Usually we have a new government in less than a week.
It that an historical reason?
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How do you propose that a 1776 government be selected and placed in a week? They probably didn't even know the results in Washington by then.
 
jonatha said:
ZiprHead said:
The high ranking communist official named his daughter Jenna in 1965???
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This would probably have been an English name she chose for herself much later.

I know a "Harry" Lee from Vietnam. No idea what his birth name is...
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Yup--very common. My wife got tired of her name being so mangled that she didn't recognize it. It's not even hard, it's just pronounced by their rules, not by our rules. Those who function in an English-speaking community are very likely to adopt monikers that the people around will know how to say. (It's worse the other way around--a monolingual Chinese speaker will probably not be able to say my name. If you don't learn to say a sound as a kid it's going to be hard to impossible to learn it as an adult--and they learn the combinations that are in their language. I'll get converted into lolen over there.)
 
TSwizzle said:
Cackling Kamala, incapable of answering a question;



Nora: You have not been clear on what restrictions you would support re abortion.
Cackling Kamala: blather about Roe v Wade
Nora: So you do support restrictions after viability?
Cackling Kamala: Roe v Wade
Nora: (ffs will you answer the question dammit!) Yes but Roe v Wade had restrictions
Cackling Kamal; TRUMP!! TRUMP!! TRUMP!!

Harris is clueless, she offers nothing.
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"Roe v Wade" is a perfectly good answer.
 
Loren Pechtel said:
Tigers! said:
A question about the process after the election.
Why is there such a long time between the election and the coronation (early Nov - late Jan)?
In Aust. the new government is sworn in a couple of days after the election count is completed. Usually we have a new government in less than a week.
It that an historical reason?
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How do you propose that a 1776 government be selected and placed in a week? They probably didn't even know the results in Washington by then.
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I was referring to now rather than the 18th C. In the 18th C. that is fine but the 21st C.?
 
Tigers! said:
Loren Pechtel said:
Tigers! said:
A question about the process after the election.
Why is there such a long time between the election and the coronation (early Nov - late Jan)?
In Aust. the new government is sworn in a couple of days after the election count is completed. Usually we have a new government in less than a week.
It that an historical reason?
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How do you propose that a 1776 government be selected and placed in a week? They probably didn't even know the results in Washington by then.
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I was referring to now rather than the 18th C. In the 18th C. that is fine but the 21st C.?
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The devices are faster but the people are slower?
 
Elixir said:
Tigers! said:
Loren Pechtel said:
Tigers! said:
A question about the process after the election.
Why is there such a long time between the election and the coronation (early Nov - late Jan)?
In Aust. the new government is sworn in a couple of days after the election count is completed. Usually we have a new government in less than a week.
It that an historical reason?
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How do you propose that a 1776 government be selected and placed in a week? They probably didn't even know the results in Washington by then.
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I was referring to now rather than the 18th C. In the 18th C. that is fine but the 21st C.?
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The devices are faster but the people are slower?
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That is not as silly as it sounds.
 
Tigers! said:
Loren Pechtel said:
Tigers! said:
A question about the process after the election.
Why is there such a long time between the election and the coronation (early Nov - late Jan)?
In Aust. the new government is sworn in a couple of days after the election count is completed. Usually we have a new government in less than a week.
It that an historical reason?
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How do you propose that a 1776 government be selected and placed in a week? They probably didn't even know the results in Washington by then.
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I was referring to now rather than the 18th C. In the 18th C. that is fine but the 21st C.?
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You asked if it was a “historical reason” and the answer is a resounding “yes”.

The US has a notoriously difficult procedure for changing its Constitution, which is probably a good thing, but it also means we have to plod on with archaic systems and try to make them work.
 
jonatha said:
Loren Pechtel said:
a monolingual Chinese speaker will probably not be able to say my name
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Is it the L or the R or something else? (I know Japanese and Thais have trouble with L; I thought Chinese didn't...)

"I'll get converted into lolen over there." - Ah, the R....
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What, the L?

Just joking, I don't want to be a plick about it.
 
jonatha said:
Loren Pechtel said:
a monolingual Chinese speaker will probably not be able to say my name
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Is it the L or the R or something else? (I know Japanese and Thais have trouble with L; I thought Chinese didn't...)

"I'll get converted into lolen over there." - Ah, the R....
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Upper-class Bangkokians have no trouble with L and R, even rolling their Rs. In rural central Thailand L and R both sound like L, to the point where they often don't know whether a name is written with L or R. To show off for a Farang some produce a rolled-R sound ... but when the word has an L.

In the rural dialect, L and R are often silent when part of a consonant blend, so that /pla/ ('fish') is pronounced /pa/. My wife's aunt was actually nicknamed /pa/ but people made puns on her name as though it were /pla/.
 
Swammerdami said:
jonatha said:
Loren Pechtel said:
a monolingual Chinese speaker will probably not be able to say my name
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Is it the L or the R or something else? (I know Japanese and Thais have trouble with L; I thought Chinese didn't...)

"I'll get converted into lolen over there." - Ah, the R....
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Upper-class Bangkokians have no trouble with L and R, even rolling their Rs. In rural central Thailand L and R both sound like L, to the point where they often don't know whether a name is written with L or R. To show off for a Farang some produce a rolled-R sound ... but when the word has an L.

In the rural dialect, L and R are often silent when part of a consonant blend, so that /pla/ ('fish') is pronounced /pa/. My wife's aunt was actually nicknamed /pa/ but people made puns on her name as though it were /pla/.
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This is interesting.

Do you attribute this to upper-class Bangkokians (Bangkokers? Bankokites?) having been exposed to languages that have the R sound early enough in life to not have lost the ability to distinguish and produce it, or does a local Bangkok dialect include that sound whereas more rural dialects don't, or?

(My experience is based on conversations with a Thai immigre who owns a local restaurant...)

ETA - I see the Wiki article on Thai script shows Thai has both L and R; I assumed they lacked the R... Apparently there is a wider latitude in pronouncing the IPA phonemes than I thought...
 
Loren Pechtel said:
TSwizzle said:
Cackling Kamala, incapable of answering a question;



Nora: You have not been clear on what restrictions you would support re abortion.
Cackling Kamala: blather about Roe v Wade
Nora: So you do support restrictions after viability?
Cackling Kamala: Roe v Wade
Nora: (ffs will you answer the question dammit!) Yes but Roe v Wade had restrictions
Cackling Kamal; TRUMP!! TRUMP!! TRUMP!!

Harris is clueless, she offers nothing.
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"Roe v Wade" is a perfectly good answer.
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I think for most candidates, that answer would be sufficient. But Kamala has a history of avoiding answers directly and being detailed. Her bread & butter on this campaign has been abortion rights, so presumably, she is educated and knowledgable in this subject matter. It was a golden opportunity for her to be succinct, clear and show her chops. And yet she gave a bland, generic answer that you could expect any clueless politician to fall back on. And she doubled down on it. It does make you wonder if she really knows what's in Roe v. Wade. Even Nora O'Donnell was getting frustrated with her evasiveness and she is on Kamala's side!
 
With days to go to the election and after weeks of near anonymity, Brandon comes out to to help Kamala's campaign;

Joe Biden had largely been an afterthought one week before the election in which he’d once hoped to win a second term.

Not anymore.

The president inadvertently injected himself into the homestretch of the campaign and may have handed a big assist to his erstwhile rival, ex-President Donald Trump, who is struggling to quell a furor over his bigotry-filled rally at Madison Square Garden earlier this week. Biden mentioned Puerto Rico, slandered as a “floating island of garbage” by a comedian at Trump’s event on Sunday night. But his clumsy defense of the self-governing American territory — and the vital swing voters in its diaspora on the US mainland — sparked a new political firestorm and distracted from Vice Kamala President Harris’ big closing argument speech against a White House backdrop on Tuesday night. “And just the other day, a speaker at his rally called Puerto Rico ‘a floating island of garbage.’ Well, let me tell you something … I don’t know the Puerto Rican that I know… or Puerto Rico where I’m – in my home state of Delaware – they’re good, decent, honorable people,” Biden said during virtual remarks in a Voto Latino get-out-the-vote call meant to help Harris. “The only garbage I see floating out there is his supporters,”
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CNN

:hysterical: Oh Brandon, you did it again.

And isn't Brandon half Porto Rican or was raised by Porto Ricans or something? Who's side is Brandon on?
 
TSwizzle said:
With days to go to the election and after weeks of near anonymity, Brandon comes out to to help Kamala's campaign;

Joe Biden had largely been an afterthought one week before the election in which he’d once hoped to win a second term.

Not anymore.

The president inadvertently injected himself into the homestretch of the campaign and may have handed a big assist to his erstwhile rival, ex-President Donald Trump, who is struggling to quell a furor over his bigotry-filled rally at Madison Square Garden earlier this week. Biden mentioned Puerto Rico, slandered as a “floating island of garbage” by a comedian at Trump’s event on Sunday night. But his clumsy defense of the self-governing American territory — and the vital swing voters in its diaspora on the US mainland — sparked a new political firestorm and distracted from Vice Kamala President Harris’ big closing argument speech against a White House backdrop on Tuesday night. “And just the other day, a speaker at his rally called Puerto Rico ‘a floating island of garbage.’ Well, let me tell you something … I don’t know the Puerto Rican that I know… or Puerto Rico where I’m – in my home state of Delaware – they’re good, decent, honorable people,” Biden said during virtual remarks in a Voto Latino get-out-the-vote call meant to help Harris. “The only garbage I see floating out there is his supporters,”
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CNN

:hysterical: Oh Brandon, you did it again.

And isn't Brandon half Porto Rican or was raised by Porto Ricans or something? Who's side is Brandon on?
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Brandon Brandon Brandon.
 
thebeave said:
But Kamala has a history of avoiding answers directly and being detailed.
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from my experience, this is true of virtually all Presidential candidates I have seen of any party.

I have seen Kamala avoid answering directly and giving more stump speech sound bites as answers but this is extremely far from unique and not a criticism that holds any weight in my mind, as much as I might want direct answers.

Obama often gave long, detailed answers to some questions and it worked against him, getting accusations of his elite, professorial tone. It’s constantly lose-lose for politicians.
 
thebeave said:
Loren Pechtel said:
TSwizzle said:
Cackling Kamala, incapable of answering a question;



Nora: You have not been clear on what restrictions you would support re abortion.
Cackling Kamala: blather about Roe v Wade
Nora: So you do support restrictions after viability?
Cackling Kamala: Roe v Wade
Nora: (ffs will you answer the question dammit!) Yes but Roe v Wade had restrictions
Cackling Kamal; TRUMP!! TRUMP!! TRUMP!!

Harris is clueless, she offers nothing.
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"Roe v Wade" is a perfectly good answer.
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I think for most candidates, that answer would be sufficient. But Kamala has a history of avoiding answers directly and being detailed. Her bread & butter on this campaign has been abortion rights, so presumably, she is educated and knowledgable in this subject matter. It was a golden opportunity for her to be succinct, clear and show her chops. And yet she gave a bland, generic answer that you could expect any clueless politician to fall back on. And she doubled down on it. It does make you wonder if she really knows what's in Roe v. Wade. Even Nora O'Donnell was getting frustrated with her evasiveness and she is on Kamala's side!
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The need to offer clear, concise, detailed and compelling responses, is heightened when your opponent is brilliant, articulate, highly informed and forward thinking.
IOW why bother? She could have just said “plug in the sharks!”.
 
thebeave said:
But Kamala has a history of avoiding answers directly and being detailed. Her bread & butter on this campaign has been abortion rights, so presumably, she is educated and knowledgable in this subject matter. It was a golden opportunity for her to be succinct, clear and show her chops. And yet she gave a bland, generic answer that you could expect any clueless politician to fall back on. And she doubled down on it. It does make you wonder if she really knows what's in Roe v. Wade. Even Nora O'Donnell was getting frustrated with her evasiveness and she is on Kamala's side!
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Harris has repeatedly shown she is incapable of answering a question, even a simple question on a subject that as the Americans would say "is in her wheelhouse". She is clueless. Her number one issue has been about abortion. Her second issue has been TRUMP!! TRUMP!! TRUMP!! In closing her rally yesterday Trump was mentioned 24 times.

Harris is clueless and offers nothing.
 
jonatha said:
Swammerdami said:
jonatha said:
Loren Pechtel said:
a monolingual Chinese speaker will probably not be able to say my name
Click to expand...
Is it the L or the R or something else? (I know Japanese and Thais have trouble with L; I thought Chinese didn't...)

"I'll get converted into lolen over there." - Ah, the R....
Click to expand...

Upper-class Bangkokians have no trouble with L and R, even rolling their Rs. In rural central Thailand L and R both sound like L, to the point where they often don't know whether a name is written with L or R. To show off for a Farang some produce a rolled-R sound ... but when the word has an L.

In the rural dialect, L and R are often silent when part of a consonant blend, so that /pla/ ('fish') is pronounced /pa/. My wife's aunt was actually nicknamed /pa/ but people made puns on her name as though it were /pla/.
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This is interesting.

Do you attribute this to upper-class Bangkokians (Bangkokers? Bankokites?) having been exposed to languages that have the R sound early enough in life to not have lost the ability to distinguish and produce it, or does a local Bangkok dialect include that sound whereas more rural dialects don't, or?
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The ability of the brain to distinguish phonemes congeals very early. My Thai is fairly fluent but I still have trouble recognizing tones, or the unvoiced unaspirated consonants /t/ and /p/.
 
Swammerdami said:
Elixir said:
Coincidentally, it mirrors the price of DJT money-laundering stock 100%.
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NOT a coincidence. The price of DJT stock right now is a prediction of whether DJT will win the election. (If he does, the company is likely to prosper.) DJT stock is rising for the same reason the odds at Polymarket are rising -- people think Trump's chances are better than they thought a few weeks ago.
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Why do you think DJT is driven by normal market forces??
 
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