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The Race For 2024

In October, a Reuters/Ipsos poll found a powerfully strong connection between people who believed provably false information and whether they planned to vote for Trump or Harris. For example, Democrats held a plus-65% advantage among voters who correctly said that big-city violent crime rates are at or near record lows, while Republicans led by 26% with voters insisting this was false. The same was true for 2024’s recent sharp drop in border crossings (true, plus-59% Democrat; false, plus-17% Republican) or the stock market’s current all-time high (true, plus-20% Democrat; false, plus-9% Republican).

This very much jibes with where voters get their news. An NBC News survey back in May — when Biden was still the Democrats’ deeply troubled candidate — found nonetheless that he led by landslide proportions among the shrinking number of Americans who still read a newspaper, with a 70%-21% lead. It provides some context to the never-ending online chatter complaining about tepid “both sides” traditional newsrooms underplaying the threats to democracy posed by Trump. I agree these critiques are important — a bad New York Times headline sets the tone for the entire media ecosystem — but that’s not why Trump won. The now-president-elect, according to that NBC survey, posted his biggest margin of 53%-27% among voters who don’t follow any news. Trump’s win was a triumph of the ill-informed.
So the uninformed under-educated gullibles are now controlling the direction of the nation.

This is also evidence that Harris didn't run a bad campaign. Voters just preferred the lies.

I don't know how this trend can be countered.
 
This is also evidence that Harris didn't run a bad campaign. Voters just preferred the lies.
You obviously need a higher quality electorate.
I don't know how this trend can be countered.
And perhaps a group could be created to curate (weed) the vote to ensure that that only the correct candidate is chosen each time?
 
In October, a Reuters/Ipsos poll found a powerfully strong connection between people who believed provably false information and whether they planned to vote for Trump or Harris. For example, Democrats held a plus-65% advantage among voters who correctly said that big-city violent crime rates are at or near record lows, while Republicans led by 26% with voters insisting this was false. The same was true for 2024’s recent sharp drop in border crossings (true, plus-59% Democrat; false, plus-17% Republican) or the stock market’s current all-time high (true, plus-20% Democrat; false, plus-9% Republican).

This very much jibes with where voters get their news. An NBC News survey back in May — when Biden was still the Democrats’ deeply troubled candidate — found nonetheless that he led by landslide proportions among the shrinking number of Americans who still read a newspaper, with a 70%-21% lead. It provides some context to the never-ending online chatter complaining about tepid “both sides” traditional newsrooms underplaying the threats to democracy posed by Trump. I agree these critiques are important — a bad New York Times headline sets the tone for the entire media ecosystem — but that’s not why Trump won. The now-president-elect, according to that NBC survey, posted his biggest margin of 53%-27% among voters who don’t follow any news. Trump’s win was a triumph of the ill-informed.
So the uninformed under-educated gullibles are now controlling the direction of the nation.

This is also evidence that Harris didn't run a bad campaign. Voters just preferred the lies.

I don't know how this trend can be countered.
Following the news != informed
 
This is also evidence that Harris didn't run a bad campaign. Voters just preferred the lies.
You obviously need a higher quality electorate.
A portion of the electorate has been getting spoonfed horseshit by Aussie owned media conglomerates for a couple decades, after/while being fed bullshit by American owned radio media conglomerates for 40 years. So yeah, the quality of the electorate has plummeted due to all the lying. But both sides and all.
I don't know how this trend can be countered.
And perhaps a group could be created to curate (weed) the vote to ensure that that only the correct candidate is chosen each time?
It was called the Electoral College. It didn't do its job. At least Trump won the popular vote this time.
 
At least Trump won the popular vote this time.
I've heard that's not a sure thing yet.
Per AP, updated this morning, the apricot leads by more than 2.5 million idiots.
He has fallen below 50% though, so … mandate? Not so much.
But Murkins are obviously too stupid and misinformed for that nuance to be meaningful.
 
Yeah, I'd say it seems pretty certain. Trump fell below 50% though. Not terribly relevant, but in a mainly 2 candidate race, sucks for the winner to be under 50%.

Texas went for 600k or 800k in 2020 for Trump to 1.6 million. 1.5 million difference in Florida. That was the big difference with 2020. Shaved votes everywhere else too. Tim Kaine won VA by 9 pts, Harris by 6 pts.
 
Those terrible illegal immigrants.

In the summer of 1980, Donald Trump faced a big problem. For six months, undocumented Polish laborers had been clearing the future site of Trump Tower, his signature real estate project on Manhattan’s Fifth Avenue, where he now lives, maintains his private offices and hosts his presidential campaign.

The men were putting in 12-hour shifts with inadequate safety equipment at subpar wages that their contractor paid sporadically, if at all. A lawyer for many of the Poles demanded that the workers be paid or else he would serve Trump with a lien on the property. One Polish worker even went to Trump’s office to ask him for money in person, according to sworn testimony and a deposition filed under oath in a court case.
https://www.cnn.com/2018/12/06/politics/trump-bedminster-club-undocumented-workers/index.html

This is old news and I remember when Trump claimed he knew nothing about the status of these workers, but who's willing to believe a pathological liar?

Diaz claimed to The Times that “there are many people without papers” and said she had witnessed several others hired though they were also undocumented.

The attorney for the two women accused their supervisor at Bedminster of not only knowing about their undocumented status but also abusing them and threatening to have them deported.

“While working at Donald Trump’s estate in Bedminster and interacting with the President and his immediate family, my clients and others were repeatedly subjected to abuse, called racial epithets and threatened with deportation,” said Anibal Romero in a statement Thursday.

“Ironically, the threats often came from the same supervisor who had employed them despite knowing their undocumented status and even provided them with forged documents,” she added. “This toxic environment was designed to intimidate these women, leaving them fearful for their safety and the safety of their families.”
 
Rules and laws are for other people, and are not anything for Trump to obey. We all know that, after having already seen how Trump operates when in power for four years.
 
Prosecutors back delaying Trump sentence until he leaves White House

New York prosecutors have vowed to oppose President-elect Donald Trump’s effort to overturn his criminal conviction, but they expressed a willingness to wait to sentence him until he completes his upcoming presidential term.

Prosecutors urged the judge who is overseeing Trump's sentence after his guilty verdict to consider options other than dismissal, including holding off until the president-elect is scheduled to leave the White House in 2029.

www.bbc.co.uk

Prosecutors back delaying Trump sentence until he leaves White House

New York prosecutors have vowed to oppose President-elect Donald Trump’s effort to overturn his criminal conviction, however.
www.bbc.co.uk
 
prosecutors have vowed to oppose President-elect Donald Trump’s effort to overturn his criminal conviction, but they expressed a willingness to wait to sentence him until he completes his upcoming presidential term.
Oh great, give him another reason to never leave office.
 
prosecutors have vowed to oppose President-elect Donald Trump’s effort to overturn his criminal conviction, but they expressed a willingness to wait to sentence him until he completes his upcoming presidential term.
Oh great, give him another reason to never leave office.
Trump was never going to jail over the bank fraud case. The issue is Trump would appeal the $250k or so in fines and that wouldn't happen while he was in the White House.
 
So Morning Joe and Mika went to Mar A Lago to kiss Trump's ass. Trump immediately used humiliating language about them on Trothe Sential and they lost most of their audience in protest. Then Joe called the protesters stupid.

They're millionaires. I'm sure they will survive the loss of their program.
 
Things feel so much different this time around. In 2016, the Trump Campaign was caught by surprise in winning and was scrambling to get things. It was almost a sense of depressing bemusement to watch. This time around, they have a plan, many in the GOP are not saying a word, and the media is acting like he is a dictator already.
 
Pennsylvania race is down to 16,400 votes or about 0.25% difference. Assuming extrapolation of the portion of the 80k remaining being the same ratio as counted (and any court cases didn't exclude a notable percent remaining ballots), McCormack would win by about 8,000 votes or 0.12ish%. Recount is supposed to begin no later than today.

Casey came real close. Even at 0.1%, a turnaround in a recount is highly unlikely.
 
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