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bigfield said:
Redistributing wealth from capital to labour is a pretty important function of left-wing governments, and it should be highly popular in a country with extreme inequality, but the Dems don't want to be that party.
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They just AREN'T that party. It's always bread and circuses with them, and they forget to bring the bread about 90% of the time. Obama was popular in part because he gave the impression of having met normal American citizens before.
 
bigfield said:
Wherever Republicans and the media take the conversation, the Democrats follow, taking every piece of bait.
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That's why I believe they should have stopped pulling punches and attacked Rump head-on, telling it like it is, calling her opponent what he is. Even Kami knew he couldn't handle that., but she had to take the high road. Someone convinced her that overpowering a 310-lb lump of ugly fat would be unseemly for a lady. Or something like that.
 
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Elixir said:
bigfield said:
Wherever Republicans and the media take the conversation, the Democrats follow, taking every piece of bait.
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That's why I believe they should have stopped pulling punches and attacked Rump head-on, telling it like it is, calling her opponent what he is. Even Kami knew he couldn't handle that., but she had to take the high road. Someone convinced her that overpowering a 310-lb lump of ugly fat would be unseemly for a lady. Or something like that.
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And that would indeed have pissed off a lot of Americans. There are plenty of US citizens who HATE seeing a man publically disparaged by a woman, for any reason. But that's all the more reason why we cannot allow these people to steer the ship. We know exactly what kind of society they'll build if they are in charge, and it isn't tolerable to any thinking person with a conscience.
 
Politesse said:
Elixir said:
bigfield said:
Wherever Republicans and the media take the conversation, the Democrats follow, taking every piece of bait.
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That's why I believe they should have stopped pulling punches and attacked Rump head-on, telling it like it is, calling her opponent what he is. Even Kami knew he couldn't handle that., but she had to take the high road. Someone convinced her that overpowering a 310-lb lump of ugly fat would be unseemly for a lady. Or something like that.
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And that would indeed have pissed off a lot of Americans. There are plenty of US citizens who HATE seeing a man embarrassed by a woman, for any reason. But that's all the more reason why we cannot allow these people to steer the ship. We know exactly what kind of society they'll build if they are in charge, and it isn't tolerable to any thinking person with a conscience.
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I don’t think it’s hypothetical any more. We had our chance.
It would have REALLY pissed off millions of Trumpsucking dullards, for Trump to have been righteously shamed in public. But the thing that would truly be pissing them off, would have been showing their emperor to be naked. And that nakedness would have been the truth, and it would have prevailed. Perhaps not in this election cycle, but it would have hastened the backswing of the pendulum that currently holds us on the threshold of irreversible fascism.
 
bigfield said:
There is a blind spot in the Democrats' political strategy: they don't fight for workers' rights and they don't shift wealth from billionaires to workers. Redistributing wealth from capital to labour is a pretty important function of left-wing governments, and it should be highly popular in a country with extreme inequality, but the Dems don't want to be that party.
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Look at how those left wing governments actually end up faring--the standard of living for the average person is generally a bit lower.
 
Loren Pechtel said:
bigfield said:
There is a blind spot in the Democrats' political strategy: they don't fight for workers' rights and they don't shift wealth from billionaires to workers. Redistributing wealth from capital to labour is a pretty important function of left-wing governments, and it should be highly popular in a country with extreme inequality, but the Dems don't want to be that party.
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Look at how those left wing governments actually end up faring--the standard of living for the average person is generally a bit lower.
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Wut?
 
Elixir said:
Loren Pechtel said:
bigfield said:
There is a blind spot in the Democrats' political strategy: they don't fight for workers' rights and they don't shift wealth from billionaires to workers. Redistributing wealth from capital to labour is a pretty important function of left-wing governments, and it should be highly popular in a country with extreme inequality, but the Dems don't want to be that party.
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Look at how those left wing governments actually end up faring--the standard of living for the average person is generally a bit lower.
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Wut?
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I think he genuinely believes this to be axiomatic.
 
Loren Pechtel said:
bigfield said:
There is a blind spot in the Democrats' political strategy: they don't fight for workers' rights and they don't shift wealth from billionaires to workers. Redistributing wealth from capital to labour is a pretty important function of left-wing governments, and it should be highly popular in a country with extreme inequality, but the Dems don't want to be that party.
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Look at how those left wing governments actually end up faring--the standard of living for the average person is generally a bit lower.
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Marked off most of my Loren Pechtel bingo card with this one:
  • Incoherent one line response.
  • Telling me what I will see if I look at something.
  • Confidently incorrect.
  • Hit-and-run comment. Loren cannot - and will not even try to - substantiate this claim with data or methodology. At most we might get a link that doesn't even support this ridiculous claim.
 
Elixir said:
Loren Pechtel said:
bigfield said:
There is a blind spot in the Democrats' political strategy: they don't fight for workers' rights and they don't shift wealth from billionaires to workers. Redistributing wealth from capital to labour is a pretty important function of left-wing governments, and it should be highly popular in a country with extreme inequality, but the Dems don't want to be that party.
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Look at how those left wing governments actually end up faring--the standard of living for the average person is generally a bit lower.
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Wut?
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Look at PPP adjusted income.
 
Elixir said:
Politesse said:
Elixir said:
bigfield said:
Wherever Republicans and the media take the conversation, the Democrats follow, taking every piece of bait.
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That's why I believe they should have stopped pulling punches and attacked Rump head-on, telling it like it is, calling her opponent what he is. Even Kami knew he couldn't handle that., but she had to take the high road. Someone convinced her that overpowering a 310-lb lump of ugly fat would be unseemly for a lady. Or something like that.
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And that would indeed have pissed off a lot of Americans. There are plenty of US citizens who HATE seeing a man embarrassed by a woman, for any reason. But that's all the more reason why we cannot allow these people to steer the ship. We know exactly what kind of society they'll build if they are in charge, and it isn't tolerable to any thinking person with a conscience.
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I don’t think it’s hypothetical any more. We had our chance.
It would have REALLY pissed off millions of Trumpsucking dullards, for Trump to have been righteously shamed in public. But the thing that would truly be pissing them off, would have been showing their emperor to be naked. And that nakedness would have been the truth, and it would have prevailed. Perhaps not in this election cycle, but it would have hastened the backswing of the pendulum that currently holds us on the threshold of irreversible fascism.
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Just to nitpick - How can there be an backswing on the pendulum if irreversible fascism occurs?
 
Loren Pechtel said:
Elixir said:
Loren Pechtel said:
bigfield said:
There is a blind spot in the Democrats' political strategy: they don't fight for workers' rights and they don't shift wealth from billionaires to workers. Redistributing wealth from capital to labour is a pretty important function of left-wing governments, and it should be highly popular in a country with extreme inequality, but the Dems don't want to be that party.
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Yes. Note that Rachel Maddow earns in one MONTH almost as much as many Americans earn in a LIFETIME. That may help explain why many Democratic spokespersons are out-of-touch and focus on gay rights and other divisive issues rather than traditional leftist issues. QOPAnon made the recent election about "wokeism" and other caricatures of liberalism. And the left-wing elite played along.

Loren Pechtel said:
Loren Pechtel said:
Elixir said:
Look at how those left wing governments actually end up faring--the standard of living for the average person is generally a bit lower.
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Wut?
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Look at PPP adjusted income.
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"Look at PPP adjusted income"? Do you think such stats tell the full story? Wikipedia shows Ireland as topping the PPP income list among largish countries, ahead of Norway, Switz and the USA. But another list at Wikipedia shows Ireland as having only 65% the average wage of the USA. Why the discrepancy? It is NOT the PPP adjustment: Another Wiki list shows Ireland way ahead of USA in NON-adjusted GDP.

One reason why countries like Ireland, Macau, Bermuda ... and the USA -- do so well in GDP is financial industries: "economic" activity which offers little help for ordinary "people." (I quote "people" since I refer to H. sapiens while the term includes corporations in post-rational American diction.)

It is true that the U.S.A. continues to be "the most prosperous country" in world history ... for the average or median American. Americans are thrilled that they can replace their iPhones every three years while many in other countries make do with 4-year-old iPhones. Elite Americans can pay for the best health care in the world, no need to delay one's plastic surgery to waste time on the diseased too indigent to afford premium health care. The homeless are mostly kept out of sight -- separated from median Americans by embittered armed police -- but left visible enough to provide pleasure to the masses in knowing they are privileged. If neurologists had a simple way to measure actual contentment I'd not be surprised to learn that the average Thai scores higher than the average American.

I've attached an image showing "happiness" scores. The US ranks with Mexico and behind several European countries and even two other Anglophone states. And this despite that GDP is a major component of this "Happiness Index."

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Swammerdami said:
Americans are thrilled that they can replace their iPhones every three years while many in other countries make do with 4-year-old iPhones.
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Murkins are stupid. Or maybe it’s just me.
They’ve been begging me to replace my iPhone 11pro ever since I got it in 2019. It replaced my iPhone 6 only because Apple had put a battery in the 6 that was designed to fail in a few years.
The kind of thrill that only a new iPhone Ten Thousand Pro XLT with AI fuel Injection can provide, will forever remain beyond my ability to appreciate at all.
But maybe people need those when they fly thousands of miles to see their far-flung families, meeting in Greece or Fiji to spend a couple of days escaping the winter (summer, spring, fall) where they “live”(work) and commiserating with the relatives about why their 80k income doesn’t seem to let them “get ahead” any more.
 
Swammerdami said:
Loren Pechtel said:
Elixir said:
Loren Pechtel said:
bigfield said:
There is a blind spot in the Democrats' political strategy: they don't fight for workers' rights and they don't shift wealth from billionaires to workers. Redistributing wealth from capital to labour is a pretty important function of left-wing governments, and it should be highly popular in a country with extreme inequality, but the Dems don't want to be that party.
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Yes. Note that Rachel Maddow earns in one MONTH almost as much as many Americans earn in a LIFETIME. That may help explain why many Democratic spokespersons are out-of-touch and focus on gay rights and other divisive issues rather than traditional leftist issues. QOPAnon made the recent election about "wokeism" and other caricatures of liberalism. And the left-wing elite played along.

Loren Pechtel said:
Loren Pechtel said:
Elixir said:
Look at how those left wing governments actually end up faring--the standard of living for the average person is generally a bit lower.
Click to expand...
Wut?
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Look at PPP adjusted income.
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"Look at PPP adjusted income"? Do you think such stats tell the full story? Wikipedia shows Ireland as topping the PPP income list among largish countries, ahead of Norway, Switz and the USA. But another list at Wikipedia shows Ireland as having only 65% the average wage of the USA. Why the discrepancy? It is NOT the PPP adjustment: Another Wiki list shows Ireland way ahead of USA in NON-adjusted GDP.

One reason why countries like Ireland, Macau, Bermuda ... and the USA -- do so well in GDP is financial industries: "economic" activity which offers little help for ordinary "people." (I quote "people" since I refer to H. sapiens while the term includes corporations in post-rational American diction.)

It is true that the U.S.A. continues to be "the most prosperous country" in world history ... for the average or median American. Americans are thrilled that they can replace their iPhones every three years while many in other countries make do with 4-year-old iPhones. Elite Americans can pay for the best health care in the world, no need to delay one's plastic surgery to waste time on the diseased too indigent to afford premium health care. The homeless are mostly kept out of sight -- separated from median Americans by embittered armed police -- but left visible enough to provide pleasure to the masses in knowing they are privileged. If neurologists had a simple way to measure actual contentment I'd not be surprised to learn that the average Thai scores higher than the average American.

I've attached an image showing "happiness" scores. The US ranks with Mexico and behind several European countries and even two other Anglophone states. And this despite that GDP is a major component of this "Happiness Index."

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OMFG there is a lot of disagreement - disagreement over happiness levels is probably a factor in lowering American scores. We are a jealous bunch, but check it out 🤣

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Politesse said:
And that would indeed have pissed off a lot of Americans. There are plenty of US citizens who HATE seeing a man publically disparaged by a woman, for any reason.
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If anything, it's the opposite. For many years, male politicians going against a female one have been told that they have to pull punches because the public would not take kindly to a man being too aggressive against a woman.
For example, take this article:
Why It’s So Hard for Men to Debate Women
Time said:
Of all the playground rules that still apply to presidential politics, “don’t hit girls” is probably the trickiest. Especially in debates, where “hitting” your rival (not literally, of course) is the whole point.
That’s why so many male candidates have floundered when they found themselves going man-to-man with a female opponent. Most voters don’t like to see women candidates get attacked or patronized by men. And since debates are often the only moments where candidates share the same physical space, the gender dynamics can be more obvious—and more precarious.
[...]
One-liners can go sour. When Clinton ran for the Democratic nomination in 2007, and all the primary candidates were asked to say one nice thing and one critical thing about the candidate standing next to them. Sen. John Edwards went with “Um, I’m not sure about that coat,” drawing attention to Clinton’s pink jacket in a row of dark suits. The moment was clearly intended as a joke, but the voters thought it sounded sexist. Barack Obama fell into the same trap later in that primary, when Clinton was asked about why voters don’t seem to like her. “You’re likable enough, Hillary,” he interjected. It sounded condescending and dismissive, and made voters like her more.
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Indeed it was during her campaign against Obama, after the NH debate, that Hillary broke out in tears because he was too mean to her. :rolleyesa:
 
Elixir said:
Murkins are stupid.
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You really do despise your fellow countrymen, don't you?
Or maybe it’s just me.
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Probably so.
They’ve been begging me to replace my iPhone 11pro ever since I got it in 2019. It replaced my iPhone 6 only because Apple had put a battery in the 6 that was designed to fail in a few years.
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Batteries are not "designed to fail in a few years", they just have a finite lifespan. Five years is a very good life for a phone, depending how much you use it. I guess those of us who use their phones more rarely can go longer before replacing them. Even battery life depends on the number of charge cycles, which depend on use. A Zoomer who is on TikTok all day will need a new phone sooner than a Boomer who mostly uses it for phone calls and texting and rarely does uses apps and the browser.
I will do you one better though: I do not use iPhones or any other overpriced Apple products.
That said, one can save a lot of money not going for the newest flagship phone, be it Android or iPhone. Even going one rung lower can save you a lot without sacrificing that much in performance.
 
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Elixir said:
But the thing that would truly be pissing them off, would have been showing their emperor to be naked.
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What a day not to have aphantasia ...
 
Money can't buy happiness, so there must be other reasons why so many Americans aren't happy. "It is better to give than to receive", one of the few true Bible verses. There's even been research that giving does good things for our well being, so maybe Americans are just selfish and don't understand that giving to others can make one happier and healthier, compared to getting lots of shit that you don't need or hoarding money like many billionaires do.

https://health.clevelandclinic.org/why-giving-is-good-for-your-health

Health benefits of giving​

A smile isn’t the only reaction that comes from gift-giving. There’s also a chemical response that takes place in your body in response to … well, just doing something nice.

As you help someone or give a gift, your brain secretes “feel good” chemicals such as:

  • Serotonin (which regulates your mood).
  • Dopamine (which gives you a sense of pleasure).
  • Oxytocin (which creates a sense of connection with others).
“When we do things for other people, it makes us feel much more engaged and joyful,” says Dr. Albers. “That’s good for our health and our happiness.”

Physical and mental health benefits associated with giving or serving can include:

Lower blood pressure​

Generosity truly is good for your heart, says Dr. Albers. Researchers found that giving to others can lower your blood pressure and protect your ticker. (The effect, by the way, is similar to the positive results brought by a healthy diet and exercise.)

A longer lifespan​

The secret to living longer may be giving more of yourself. Studies show that people who volunteer tend to live longer than those who don’t.

Less stress​

Want to melt away stress? The best solution may be to help someone else. Gift-giving or volunteering can reduce your levels of cortisol, the stress hormone that can make you feel overwhelmed or anxious.
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There's even more in the link. Perhaps if we helped others more, we'd be happier.
 
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