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patchy said:
This is going to maybe sound like crazy alarmist paranoia, but…
In all seriousness, is it a good idea to post things on this site calling for/gleefully describing/advocating/hoping for, the president’s death?
Articulating all kinds of satisfying ways in which you’d like to see it happen?

Don’t get me wrong—this is PURELY from a place of, “what if printouts of this discussion ended up in the wrong hands, at the wrong time?”

It isn’t out of fealty to Trump; trust me.

But even if a post doesn’t arguably rise to the level of being actionable by the Secret Service, I think a wiser course is to not hand ANYONE in this administration a reason to, at best, close the site down.

And if you don’t know what’s “At worst,” I don’t think you’re paying attention to trends…
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Compliance in anticipation of the totalitarian demands of a despicable regime, with rules that they have not yet even articulated, is one of the ways that such regimes consolidate their power.

We should not moderate our speech based on fear of (unlawful and unconstitutional) retribution; Indeed, we should hesitate to moderate our speech even when such retribution is underway.

They want to take away our rights. Appeasing them, by volunteering to give up our rights, is a poor tactic (and abject cowardice), if we care about defending those rights.

Don't get me wrong; Cowardice is a perfectly valid approach to self-preservation, as a tactic during a direct assault. He who fights and runs away, lives to fight another day. But it's very poor strategy to capitulate at the mere hint that a fight might otherwise ensue.
 
patchy said:
This is going to maybe sound like crazy alarmist paranoia, but…
In all seriousness, is it a good idea to post things on this site calling for/gleefully describing/advocating/hoping for, the president’s death?
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Is it a good idea to post things on this site calling for/gleefully describibg/advocating/hoping or anyone's death? You might get your wish.
If someone had said such about Harris many would rightly be up in arms about it. But mention Trump and the response is (y)
 
patchy said:
This is going to maybe sound like crazy alarmist paranoia, but…
In all seriousness, is it a good idea to post things on this site calling for/gleefully describing/advocating/hoping for, the president’s death?
Articulating all kinds of satisfying ways in which you’d like to see it happen?

Don’t get me wrong—this is PURELY from a place of, “what if printouts of this discussion ended up in the wrong hands, at the wrong time?”

It isn’t out of fealty to Trump; trust me.

But even if a post doesn’t arguably rise to the level of being actionable by the Secret Service, I think a wiser course is to not hand ANYONE in this administration a reason to, at best, close the site down.

And if you don’t know what’s “At worst,” I don’t think you’re paying attention to trends…
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This.
 
Tigers! said:
patchy said:
This is going to maybe sound like crazy alarmist paranoia, but…
In all seriousness, is it a good idea to post things on this site calling for/gleefully describing/advocating/hoping for, the president’s death?
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Is it a good idea to post things on this site calling for/gleefully describibg/advocating/hoping or anyone's death? You might get your wish.
If someone had said such about Harris many would rightly be up in arms about it. But mention Trump and the response is (y)
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Maybe the difference is that Trump is the biggest threat to our less than perfect democracy that we've ever seen, while even if some didn't agree with Harris's policy positions, she wasn't going to destroy the country. One is a narcissistic psychopath who thinks he rules the country and the other is simply a politician who had no harmful intentions.

It would be a blessing if as one of my Christian friends told me yesterday, if his time were was up ASAP. She even prays for the end of his life, which of course won't help, but I do understand how she feels. Wishful thinking never solves anything.
 
bilby said:
patchy said:
This is going to maybe sound like crazy alarmist paranoia, but…
In all seriousness, is it a good idea to post things on this site calling for/gleefully describing/advocating/hoping for, the president’s death?
Articulating all kinds of satisfying ways in which you’d like to see it happen?

Don’t get me wrong—this is PURELY from a place of, “what if printouts of this discussion ended up in the wrong hands, at the wrong time?”

It isn’t out of fealty to Trump; trust me.

But even if a post doesn’t arguably rise to the level of being actionable by the Secret Service, I think a wiser course is to not hand ANYONE in this administration a reason to, at best, close the site down.

And if you don’t know what’s “At worst,” I don’t think you’re paying attention to trends…
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Compliance in anticipation of the totalitarian demands of a despicable regime, with rules that they have not yet even articulated, is one of the ways that such regimes consolidate their power.

We should not moderate our speech based on fear of (unlawful and unconstitutional) retribution; Indeed, we should hesitate to moderate our speech even when such retribution is underway.

They want to take away our rights. Appeasing them, by volunteering to give up our rights, is a poor tactic (and abject cowardice), if we care about defending those rights.

Don't get me wrong; Cowardice is a perfectly valid approach to self-preservation, as a tactic during a direct assault. He who fights and runs away, lives to fight another day. But it's very poor strategy to capitulate at the mere hint that a fight might otherwise ensue.
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They want us divided. They want us to turn on one another. This gives them reason to shut down expressions of free speech.
They want us silent. They want us compliant. They want us to feel intimidated. They will patrol looking more like a military force than police to protect and serve.
We are required to be nonviolent not servile, civil, and obedient. When we start to police ourselves out of fear, we have lost.
 
I was coming at it more out of a sense of practicality than a meek and comprehensive submission to the jackbooted fascists kind of thing.
Just thinking that, “given these times,”
there’s no reason to attract undue attention if we don’t have to. I’m not the only person kind of scrubbing their online footprint; I don’t think precautions of that nature are either unwarranted paranoia OR spineless submission, merely something easy and painless you can do that might prove prudent.
Or might not.

At any rate, giving a moment’s thought to what bread crumbs you’re leaving online, to me, isn’t exactly weak-kneed capitulation…but if it is for you, by all means put it out there. I really DO get both sides, and it’s not like I even disagree with the other one. I’m more, “I hate that I even have to THINK about moderating my Constitutional free speech, isn’t this America,” etc.

But this country IS changing.
 
TomC said:
Elixir said:
Meh. His head on a pike would suffice.
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I'd hold out for execution by pressing. Tied between two platforms while his enemies keep adding rocks to the top.
He can scream and threaten and writhe (pay per view). Beg, promise, anything...
On the Washington Mall at prime viewing hours, of course.

I know too many people who have had their lives destroyed by Trump's deciet and delusions of grandeur to let him off with a quick hanging at this point.
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Nah. Hoist him by his own petard: he's trying to take subsistence away from people, take it away from him. Put him in a box, give him a hose to drink from, leave.
 
Tigers! said:
patchy said:
This is going to maybe sound like crazy alarmist paranoia, but…
In all seriousness, is it a good idea to post things on this site calling for/gleefully describing/advocating/hoping for, the president’s death?
Click to expand...
Is it a good idea to post things on this site calling for/gleefully describibg/advocating/hoping or anyone's death? You might get your wish.
If someone had said such about Harris many would rightly be up in arms about it. But mention Trump and the response is (y)
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I see an important distinction here: it was a call for his execution. As in death penalty for his wrongs after due process. Personally, very different than advocating for anything extra-judicial.
 
www.nbcnews.com

FBI searches former national security adviser John Bolton's home in a probe to find classified records

CIA Director John Ratcliffe provided FBI Director Patel the intelligence that was the basis of the search warrant, a source familiar with the matter told NBC News.
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The FBI raided former national security adviser John Bolton's home in Bethesda, Maryland, on Friday as part of a “national security investigation in search of classified records,” a source familiar with the matter confirmed to NBC News.

An FBI official said in a statement that the agency was "conducting court authorized activity in the area. There is no threat to public safety.”
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They are hoping to find classified documents that Bolton likely has no longer the clearance to have.

*reads post*

Oh... I guess that is what they said up front. I'm no fan of John Bolton. I think he is a person that did a lot of harm as a Neocon of note. That said, they is clearly persecution from the Trump Administration. I'm so glad we have these pro-freedom Conservatives raising objections to this search. *looks around*

Oh... yeah... those people were full of shit.
 
At what point will the 6 SCOTUS conservatives royalists (fixed it) realize what they have unleashed by telling Trump he is immune from oversight or prosecution for just about anything he wants to do? I qualified that with 'just about', but his lawyers will justify anything and everything he does as proceeding from the President's powers. This is surely the stupidest period in American history. We should be learning lessons from this squalor and unprecedented corruption, but the learning will no doubt come too late.
 
If he, say, collapsed from 15 embolisms brought on by his diet, BMI, and lack of activity, look at how many Trump wannabes would leap into the fray to claim his crap-encrusted coronet. All the way from his little terrier, J.D., who mimics Trump's attacks on Zelenskyy and on the Haitians of Springfield (in his own home state...what a soulless leech) down to Kari Lake, a media troll and hard-right rodent who learned from T that when you lose an election, you simply scream that it was stolen from you. Try to tear down the whole system if you didn't get what you wanted.
Hasn't Trump proven that there is an endless stream of corrupt individuals who will throw any and all moral considerations overboard to attain power?
 
patchy said:
This is going to maybe sound like crazy alarmist paranoia, but…
In all seriousness, is it a good idea to post things on this site calling for/gleefully describing/advocating/hoping for, the president’s death?
Articulating all kinds of satisfying ways in which you’d like to see it happen?
Click to expand...

In more even authoritarian regimes, people are under threat of being jailed (and jailings for protest have happened in the U.S.), but nevertheless they still protest, because dissent is a matter of principle. Pointless argument. I know you claim this is not from fealty to Trump, but standing by is practically doing the same thing. You may disagree with the idea of being gleeful about the deaths of others, but it is also still a form of dissent.
 
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I hope his grave is big and flat. Large enough to have a dance floor installed on top of it.
 
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