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Toni said:

Emily Lake said:

Politesse said:

You know, if you'd just calm down for a fucking second, we could have a real discussion about the issue at hand. You're trying to make me out to be some weird caricature of the Evil Woke Liberal, and its blinding you to the fact that we don't even entirely disagree about this.

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You should reread your own posts, and consider who really needs to calm down. You somehow feel you’re in the right to call me a racist engaging in nazi rhetoric, and to be inexcusably rude and hateful toward me. I already told you I’m not going to put up with it, and I will reflect YOUR behavior back at you.

If you want a real discussion, then behave appropriately. Don’t fucking chide me to “calm down” while insulting me in the exact same breath.

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You seem all in on telling other people to stop calling you racist. AFAIK, no one has called you a racist. Or a nazi.

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Do you happen to have Poli on ignore?

Politesse said:

That speaks volumes as to how you see the world. A race traitor, am I now? Fuck your Nazi bullshit to the lowest circle of hell.

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Politesse said:

The notion of wanting to intentionally suppress knowledge of history disgusts me, and the idea that doing so is justified by your paranoia about losing your advantage in some "race war" that only exists in your racism-addled mind just makes it more contemptible.

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Emily Lake said:

Do you happen to have Poli on ignore?

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Have you considered how much more peaceful your life would be if you did? You keep chiming in on every damn thing I write in whatever thread, demanding responses, then getting upset that those responses are honest. I'm not going to pretend I don't find it disgusting that you tried to appeal to me on the basis of shared race, but if you don't want to know that, don't ask. How was I supposed to respond to that? "How does this benefit you as a white" is a Nazi-ass question, and it's gross. I'm not going to reply in a way that treats it like that was a normal or acceptable thing to ask, because it wasn't. Go back to the 1930s and plug your ears if you can't handle criticism of the shit you write.

Politesse said:

Emily Lake said:

Do you happen to have Poli on ignore?

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Have you considered how much more peaceful your life would be if you did? You keep chiming in on every damn thing I write in whatever thread, demanding responses, then getting upset that those responses are honest.

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Honest <> Asshole

I presume you're capable of formulating an honest response that is also civil? Yet you choose not to do so. Frequently.

Politesse said:

I'm not going to pretend I don't find it disgusting that you tried to appeal to me on the basis of shared race, but if you don't want to know that, don't ask. How was I supposed to respond to that? "How does this benefit you as a white" is a Nazi-ass question, and it's gross.

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Oh for fuck's holy sake. Context matters you knob. The rather clear implication being that increased racial tension benefits white progressives by assisting in consolidating power for your political actors. You get to play the role of white savior for those poor, oppressed black people who are unable to help themselves.

Politesse said:

I'm not going to reply in a way that treats it like that was a normal or acceptable thing to ask, because it wasn't. Go back to the 1930s and plug your ears if you can't handle criticism of the shit you write.

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Or you could learn how to read with the intent to understand instead of turning into an unmitigated asshat at every opportunity. It's really not that hard - most adults are able to do this.

At least in real life. The pretense of anonymity often opens the door to the very worst in some people.

Emily Lake said:

Toni said:

Emily Lake said:

Politesse said:

You know, if you'd just calm down for a fucking second, we could have a real discussion about the issue at hand. You're trying to make me out to be some weird caricature of the Evil Woke Liberal, and its blinding you to the fact that we don't even entirely disagree about this.

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You should reread your own posts, and consider who really needs to calm down. You somehow feel you’re in the right to call me a racist engaging in nazi rhetoric, and to be inexcusably rude and hateful toward me. I already told you I’m not going to put up with it, and I will reflect YOUR behavior back at you.

If you want a real discussion, then behave appropriately. Don’t fucking chide me to “calm down” while insulting me in the exact same breath.

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You seem all in on telling other people to stop calling you racist. AFAIK, no one has called you a racist. Or a nazi.

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Do you happen to have Poli on ignore?

Politesse said:

That speaks volumes as to how you see the world. A race traitor, am I now? Fuck your Nazi bullshit to the lowest circle of hell.

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Politesse said:

The notion of wanting to intentionally suppress knowledge of history disgusts me, and the idea that doing so is justified by your paranoia about losing your advantage in some "race war" that only exists in your racism-addled mind just makes it more contemptible.

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No I do not have him on ignore.

Pretty sure he has me on ignore.

Toni said:

Emily Lake said:

Toni said:

Emily Lake said:

Politesse said:

You know, if you'd just calm down for a fucking second, we could have a real discussion about the issue at hand. You're trying to make me out to be some weird caricature of the Evil Woke Liberal, and its blinding you to the fact that we don't even entirely disagree about this.

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You should reread your own posts, and consider who really needs to calm down. You somehow feel you’re in the right to call me a racist engaging in nazi rhetoric, and to be inexcusably rude and hateful toward me. I already told you I’m not going to put up with it, and I will reflect YOUR behavior back at you.

If you want a real discussion, then behave appropriately. Don’t fucking chide me to “calm down” while insulting me in the exact same breath.

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You seem all in on telling other people to stop calling you racist. AFAIK, no one has called you a racist. Or a nazi.

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Do you happen to have Poli on ignore?

Politesse said:

That speaks volumes as to how you see the world. A race traitor, am I now? Fuck your Nazi bullshit to the lowest circle of hell.

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Politesse said:

The notion of wanting to intentionally suppress knowledge of history disgusts me, and the idea that doing so is justified by your paranoia about losing your advantage in some "race war" that only exists in your racism-addled mind just makes it more contemptible.

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No I do not have him on ignore.

Pretty sure he has me on ignore.

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Do you often refer to Poli as "nobody" then? Or do you think I'm being "too thin skinned" by accurately identifying Poli's insults as such? Perhaps you think I should "be nice"?

Not taking shots at you, just pointing out that I didn't start this bullshit. Me deciding I;m no longer going to tolerate such behavior doesn't make Poli a victim. Much like when the bullied kid finally hits back, we don't turn on them and chastise them for standing up for themselves and not being willing to continue being punched in the head.

Emily Lake said:

Oh for fuck's holy sake. Context matters you knob. The rather clear implication being that increased racial tension benefits white progressives by assisting in consolidating power for your political actors. You get to play the role of white savior for those poor, oppressed black people who are unable to help themselves.

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That's not much less offensive, but it's also definitively not what you wrote.

Politesse said:

Emily Lake said:

Oh for fuck's holy sake. Context matters you knob. The rather clear implication being that increased racial tension benefits white progressives by assisting in consolidating power for your political actors. You get to play the role of white savior for those poor, oppressed black people who are unable to help themselves.

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That's not much less offensive, but it's also definitively not what you wrote.

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Do you understand what the word "implication" means?

Emily Lake said:

Politesse said:

Emily Lake said:

Oh for fuck's holy sake. Context matters you knob. The rather clear implication being that increased racial tension benefits white progressives by assisting in consolidating power for your political actors. You get to play the role of white savior for those poor, oppressed black people who are unable to help themselves.

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That's not much less offensive, but it's also definitively not what you wrote.

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Do you understand what the word "implication" means?

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I know exactly what a white person is implying when they ask why I care about the subjugation of non-whites. Why the fuck wouldn't I? Why would any half-decent person not care about that? I'm not a "savior" of anyone by the way, nor would want to be. I'm just some guy, who doesn't want a government that mistreats its citizens. Because that's wrong. I don't need "benefits", as you put it, to see that.

Emily Lake said:

Toni said:

Emily Lake said:

Toni said:

Emily Lake said:

Politesse said:

You know, if you'd just calm down for a fucking second, we could have a real discussion about the issue at hand. You're trying to make me out to be some weird caricature of the Evil Woke Liberal, and its blinding you to the fact that we don't even entirely disagree about this.

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You should reread your own posts, and consider who really needs to calm down. You somehow feel you’re in the right to call me a racist engaging in nazi rhetoric, and to be inexcusably rude and hateful toward me. I already told you I’m not going to put up with it, and I will reflect YOUR behavior back at you.

If you want a real discussion, then behave appropriately. Don’t fucking chide me to “calm down” while insulting me in the exact same breath.

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You seem all in on telling other people to stop calling you racist. AFAIK, no one has called you a racist. Or a nazi.

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Do you happen to have Poli on ignore?

Politesse said:

That speaks volumes as to how you see the world. A race traitor, am I now? Fuck your Nazi bullshit to the lowest circle of hell.

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Politesse said:

The notion of wanting to intentionally suppress knowledge of history disgusts me, and the idea that doing so is justified by your paranoia about losing your advantage in some "race war" that only exists in your racism-addled mind just makes it more contemptible.

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No I do not have him on ignore.

Pretty sure he has me on ignore.

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Do you often refer to Poli as "nobody" then? Or do you think I'm being "too thin skinned" by accurately identifying Poli's insults as such? Perhaps you think I should "be nice"?

Not taking shots at you, just pointing out that I didn't start this bullshit. Me deciding I;m no longer going to tolerate such behavior doesn't make Poli a victim. Much like when the bullied kid finally hits back, we don't turn on them and chastise them for standing up for themselves and not being willing to continue being punched in the head.

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I draw lines a bit differently than you do. For one thing, as uncomfortable as it makes me to say this, I think all of us humans are a bit racist at times. Whether we do it consciously or not, it is human to want to put other people into neat little categories. It’s good to be conscious of it in ourselves and to try to catch it in ourselves or do a bit of self examination if someone casts aspersions.

Why do you actually care what someone on the internet thinks of you?

You know who you are.

I’ve been called plenty of names. Look, I grew up with sisters and we all had razor wire for tongues.

And these are mostly guys we’re arguing with and they grow up insulting each other a lot worse than anything I’ve seen here.

If you think someone is being insulting, it’s better to ignore it or call it out for what it is and then to just make your points . You can’t change other people. Let the pigs wallow. Don’t climb down in the mud.

Emily Lake said:

Politesse said:

we don't even entirely disagree about this.

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In the spirit of a reset (which you are also capable of doing, bear in mind), I’d like to point out that you have entirely elided my point.

Your premise seems to be that actually making specific white individuals pay monetary reparations to specific black individuals will never happen. You appear to have completely missed that I never claimed such, nor even implied it. That’s a leap you made all by yourself, and isn’t supported by my posts.

For decades now, Democrats have supported and amplified the notion that the US is a super racist nation, and that white Americans are majority racists who oppress black people. Democrats - not exclusively politicians, but supporters and members of the party - have made a platform of majority American culture being synonymous with white supremacy, and that white people in general should make amends for it.

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That is quite the umm... spin. I think the argument is more like between the end of Reconstruction and the 1960s, a not so secret conspiracy was run to limit access to goods, services, housing, access to capital, etc... to blacks, most recently would be the GI Bill that blacks who served our nation in WWII did not receive the housing and college benefits that whites did. Benefits that made a huge difference for the baby boomers. Yeah, there were were extrajudicial race riots and lynchings too.

You want to use naughty words about supremacy, racism, etc... Call it whatever you want, the critical terminology was that it was "systemic" in government and national finance. Most of us alive today had nothing to do with it. But there are still impacts of it as seen in inner-cities that were allowed to become dilapidated as big banks shifted finance to suburbs and away from cities. We can put our fingers in our ears and close our eyes and say we weren't responsible. But the struggles still remain. So we can either acts like adults and move the nation forward... or be narcissists and say we don't care about what doesn't impact us personally and happened a long time ago*.

Emily Lake said:

The narrative of white people in general being inherently racist as a state of being is woven throughout every aspect of work by Ibram X Kendi, Robin Di’Angelo, and many other influential activists.

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Who?! You seem to know a lot more about the fringe than people in the fringe do.

Emily Lake said:

The fact that their premises are false is hand-waved away. Anyone who points out that this isn’t actually true gets labeled a racist.

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Today on, Hey, but I'm the victim!, we discuss how the economic consequences of a century of systemic race based economic protocols have countless scars remaining in our society and how people that disagree with that feel victimized by the entire discussion.

Emily Lake said:

Nothing is being “hidden” right now. What’s being demanded by this bill is to dig deep into history… and for all intents, publicly confess the sins of one’s ancestors. What’s the point? What public benefit is accomplished by this?
None. There is no possible good thing that can come if this. At least not for the public in general.

The absolute best scenario is that the state wants to confiscate money from those companies as a punitive measure for lawful behavior from nearly 200 years ago.

But you’re right, it would probably get vetoed. But actually making real reparations (no matter how misguided that idea is) probably isn’t the actual point.

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Want to talk about race? Why is that the Conservative take on reparations for Hispanics and White people is a necessary part of dealing with Cuba... but an insult to even discuss for Blacks?

Emily Lake said:

Because there *is* a benefit to be gained: a political one. The act of fishing and disclosing the “sins” of companies is highly likely to result in opprobrium toward those companies by the black community, as well as democrat supporters- especially progressives who use class oppression as a cornerstone of their worldview. It provides ammunition for democratic politicians to leverage. It allows democrats to continue playing up the “racist America” narrative… and to position their party as the solution.

Never mind that this pits races against each other.

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Curious, are you saying this makes you hate other races, or are you implying you are special and can rise above the left-wing conspiracy and don't let this manipulate you but other people aren't special like you and can't stop the left-wing conspiracy from making them be pitted against the other races?

To be clear, these are your words, not mine. Presumably you have the amount of self-control and rationality to not be so easily manipulated. So why do you think everyone else is so stupid and can't manage this rationally?