10 or more dead 20 or more wounded in campus massacre

[Ford]

Ya, Obama is the real problem here. Let's focus on him.

Obama has already politicized the event, a little odd for his minions to whine about others calling him on it.

Well thank goodness the Republicans have chosen the correct path...either not saying a goddamned thing about a mass murder, or blaming it all on Obama.


They're the heroes we need in this dark time.

 

[barbos]

Seems like ban "all shooting news" policy could have prevented this one.

 

[maxparrish]

If more people had more guns, this would never have happened.
</sarcasm>

Well, if teachers and students could/would have carried this would not have happened or, if it did, the number of killed and wounded would have been far less. With only one security officer on duty (unarmed) the teachers and students were sheep to the butcher's slaughterhouse.

For example, the Pearl, Mississippi and Edinboro, Pennsylvania school ground shooters were stopped by an armed Asst Principal and an armed citizen respectively. And in a church in Colorado Springs:

The gunman who killed four people in two church-related attacks on Sunday committed suicide after being shot “multiple times” by a volunteer security guard at a church in Colorado Springs, the El Paso County coroner said. The man, Matthew Murray, 24, was confronted by the guard, Jeanne Assam, a former police officer and member of the New Life Church, as he entered the building. He fired a single bullet into himself as he lay wounded, the corner said. Mr. Murray killed two people early Sunday at a missionary training center near Denver and had just killed two teenage sisters in the parking lot at New Life, about 12 hours later, before facing Ms. Assam.

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/12/12/us/12brfs-GUNMANKILLED_BRF.html?fta=y&pagewanted=print&_r=1&

So yes, if more people carried then this sort of mass shooting would either not happen, or been opposed by armed "victims".


PS: By the way, the story of the shooter checking people's religion before executing them seem to be true. Looks like an agnostic or atheist did this (another persecuted minority...).

 

[laughing dog]

Ya, Obama is the real problem here. Let's focus on him.

He has been the problem for over 6 years. Haven't you been paying attention?

 

[GenesisNemesis]

Well, if teachers and students could/would have carried this would not have happened or, if it did, the number of killed and wounded would have been far less. With only one security officer on duty (unarmed) the teachers and students were sheep to the butcher's slaughterhouse.

Now who's politicizing a tragedy?

 

[Underseer]

Among the interesting developments:

- The Gunman Reportedly lined up victims and asked them their religion. If the victim said "Christian" they were executed. Anything else and they were wounded. This sounds too unreal...but who knows?

- The name of the 20 year old male is, for reasons unknown, being withheld from the public. The Roseburg police department did not show up at its 2nd press conference and local commissioners and reporters can't get the Police to tell them anything.

- There is a dispute as to whether or not the campus was a declared gun free zone. However, reputedly the College Prez said it is NOW a gun free zone (as if that would have mattered). There are only a couple of security guards (armed?) for the spread out 3000 student campus.

- Before much was/is known, earlier Obama uttered at most a sentence or two of condolence before he launched into an angry tirade for gun laws. Clearly it does not matter to our Prez if this incident has any relevancy to any proposed gun law, but we know his M.O.. The agenda requires capitalizing on people's tragedy - one must immediately identify the enemies and proclaim "truthies" (e.g., "hands up") before most facts are known.

After all, one can't give time for an emerging truth make hash of your agenda.

Oh no! Someone brought up gun laws after a mass shooting?

Why would anyone mention gun laws after a mass shooting? It's so unfair!

 

[Ford]

Well, if teachers and students could/would have carried this would not have happened or, if it did, the number of killed and wounded would have been far less.

Well the same was true for Sandy Hook. If those first graders would have been packing, it would have all been over in seconds.


We, as a society, need to work towards a day where every student at all ages and levels of education is not only armed, but willing to kill at a moment's notice. Not only that, but we'd apparently (judging on the history of mass shootings) be far safer if every moviegoer was ready to shoot, every postal customer and employee were equipped to blow away the bad guy, and our devout showed up to church packing heat and ready to gun down that rogue parishioner who tried to perpetrate a shooting.


What a glorious society that would be.

 

[Archimedes]

Ya, Obama is the real problem here. Let's focus on him.

Obama has already politicized the event, a little odd for his minions to whine about others calling him on it.

It seems to me that every time an event like this happens, there's people like max just chomping at the bit to politicise the event by accusing Obama/Democrats/liberals/etc. of politicising the event.

edit: I see max is now further politicising the event that should not be politicised by arguing for changes to laws in order to allow students and teachers to carry guns.

Is it only politicising a school massacre when you call for stricter gun laws, but somehow not politicising it to call for looser gun laws? Or is it merely the "right" kind of politicising?

 

[barbos]

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/10/01/umpqua-gunman-id-d-as-chris-harper-mercer.html

Umpqua Gunman Chris Harper-Mercer Hated Religion Online

Could be one of our guys.

 

[Derec]

Crazy people live everywhere and gun laws are ineffective.

Gun laws are indeed insufficiently effective when done on a local or even state basis. When you have free movement of people and goods between states with lax laws and enforcement into states with stricter laws there is not much that can be done. So the obvious solution is stricter federal laws. It has worked in other countries like Australia.

 

[Trausti]

Crazy people live everywhere and gun laws are ineffective.

Gun laws are indeed insufficiently effective when done on a local or even state basis. When you have free movement of people and goods between states with lax laws and enforcement into states with stricter laws there is not much that can be done. So the obvious solution is stricter federal laws. It has worked in other countries like Australia.

and Brazil.

 

[Arctish]

Gun laws are indeed insufficiently effective when done on a local or even state basis. When you have free movement of people and goods between states with lax laws and enforcement into states with stricter laws there is not much that can be done. So the obvious solution is stricter federal laws. It has worked in other countries like Australia.

and Brazil.

Holy improbability, Batman!

I agree with Derec and Trausti. Both at the same time!

 

[T.G.G. Moogly]

So yes, if more people carried then this sort of mass shooting would either not happen, or been opposed by armed "victims".

The problem with arming everyone is that you will indeed stop shooters like this before they kill more people because people will shoot back. But across the board more people will be killed by gunfire. But gun worshippers really don't care about this so long as bad guys get shot to pieces before they kill too many people. Forget about all those other deaths.

 

[bilby]

Well, if teachers and students could/would have carried this would not have happened or, if it did, the number of killed and wounded would have been far less. With only one security officer on duty (unarmed) the teachers and students were sheep to the butcher's slaughterhouse.

For example, the Pearl, Mississippi and Edinboro, Pennsylvania school ground shooters were stopped by an armed Asst Principal and an armed citizen respectively. And in a church in Colorado Springs:

The gunman who killed four people in two church-related attacks on Sunday committed suicide after being shot “multiple times” by a volunteer security guard at a church in Colorado Springs, the El Paso County coroner said. The man, Matthew Murray, 24, was confronted by the guard, Jeanne Assam, a former police officer and member of the New Life Church, as he entered the building. He fired a single bullet into himself as he lay wounded, the corner said. Mr. Murray killed two people early Sunday at a missionary training center near Denver and had just killed two teenage sisters in the parking lot at New Life, about 12 hours later, before facing Ms. Assam.

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/12/12/us/12brfs-GUNMANKILLED_BRF.html?fta=y&pagewanted=print&_r=1&

So yes, if more people carried then this sort of mass shooting would either not happen, or been opposed by armed "victims".

And yet, in other developed countries, no students, teachers, school staff or security guards are armed; and such shootings are vanishingly rare.

It's almost as though having everyone armed to the teeth were not the only solution to this problem.

 

[barbos]

I still wonder what would happened to US mass shooting rates if it was somehow possible to completely ban any shooting news.
The guy clearly stated his reasons for shooting which is to get famous.

 

[abaddon]

I still wonder what would happened to US mass shooting rates if it was somehow possible to completely ban any shooting news.
The guy clearly stated his reasons for shooting which is to get famous.

Does that make him over-exposed to news or highly prone to compensatory fantasies to ease his isolation and whatever other things fucked up his ability to relate?

 

[barbos]

I still wonder what would happened to US mass shooting rates if it was somehow possible to completely ban any shooting news.
The guy clearly stated his reasons for shooting which is to get famous.

Does that make him over-exposed to news or highly prone to compensatory fantasies to ease his isolation and whatever other things fucked up his ability to relate?

Don't know. I just can't help but think that he would not have done it if he environment did not put this idea in his head. I mean he would have killed himself but without 10 more deaths.

 

[abaddon]

Does that make him over-exposed to news or highly prone to compensatory fantasies to ease his isolation and whatever other things fucked up his ability to relate?

Don't know. I just can't help but think that he would not have done it if he environment did not put this idea in his head. I mean he would have killed himself but without 10 more deaths.

Yes I think the over-exposure of news, news, and news fucks a lot of people up in different ways. Moms keep their kids indoors, scared they’ll get raped or kidnapped. People think Muslims will take over the planet. We blow out of proportion the danger of terrorists to ourselves. Young men seek out heroes.

But then again, men ran amok on occasion even in tribal societies.

“Amok” is from a Malaysian word. In that culture, a male would just suddenly go nuts and kill people. Usually it ended in his own death. Apparently seemed a quick way to both get yourself killed but also establish you’re someone fearsome and memorable. Very much a male thing.

Apparently, being esteemed as tough and fearsome (the most weak-minded of masculine dummies refer to this as “respect”) gets extreme in fellows like Harper-Mercer and others who "run amok". They don’t like the feeling of being invisible because in their heads they’re warriors (this Harper-Mercer guy seemed to identify with IRA rebels) but in society they’re nobodies who resent a perceived lack of respect (Harper-Mercer also felt a sympathy to Vester Flanagan). Getting dead but famous seems like a way to resolve that, apparently.

 

[repoman]

The shooter was a self-described mixed-race fan of the Irish Republican Army and also considered himself a conservative republican. MSNBC will say he is white mixed-race man (ala white-hispanic for Zimmerman). Fox News will put a D next to his name.

I do wonder what signs of him having poor mental health or just plain evilness will come out in the next few weeks.

 

[Bacillus anthracis]

Well, one guy shot and killed 5X more people than all of the shooting deaths combined in Japan in 2014 (2).

But obviously Japan is fucking things up.

When you don't have 11,000 firearm deaths per year, your country is just one giant collective pussy.

Fuck it. I can't believe there's an argument about this anymore.