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2020 Election Results

After some of the totally nutty disinformation that Rudy has been spouting this week, I am convinced that the man is senile. I know I shouldn't be laughing, but when I read about some of these things yesterday in the NYTimes, I couldn't help myself. Oh well. Laughter is supposed to be good for our immune systems, so maybe Rudy's nonsense will keep me healthy while waiting for this insanity to end.

And then there was the Four Seasons thing. How could anyone not get giddy with laughter watching these idiots pretending that they planned to meet at a landscaping company next to a store that sold porn! OMG! I feel like I'm watching a highly satirical movie, when I see these nutty attempts to over turn an election. It's one of those times when you don't know whether to laugh or cry.
 
Darrell Issa: Trump on par with Lincoln, Reagan with value added to the Republican Party | Fox News - "The California Republican is a nine-term congressman and ardent supporter of President Trump"

Many G.O.P. Governors Avoid Stating Plainly That Biden Won - The New York Times
Most were operating in a murky middle ground in which they neither gave full credence to the president’s claims of fraud nor affirmed Joe Biden’s victory.

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Of the 26 Republican governors, about a half-dozen have stated without equivocation that Mr. Biden had won or that Mr. Trump should concede — like Gov. Mike DeWine of Ohio, who was among the earliest from the party to congratulate the president-elect. Others, like Gov. Kristi Noem of South Dakota, have repeated Mr. Trump’s unfounded allegations about problems in the election. “So many serious election integrity concerns,” she wrote on Twitter.
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lpetrich said:
Darrell Issa: Trump on par with Lincoln, Reagan with value added to the Republican Party | Fox News - "The California Republican is a nine-term congressman and ardent supporter of President Trump"
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Why don't they just give Trump a blowjob on Fox News? These statements are outrageously ridiculous!


Most were operating in a murky middle ground in which they neither gave full credence to the president’s claims of fraud nor affirmed Joe Biden’s victory.

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Of the 26 Republican governors, about a half-dozen have stated without equivocation that Mr. Biden had won or that Mr. Trump should concede — like Gov. Mike DeWine of Ohio, who was among the earliest from the party to congratulate the president-elect. Others, like Gov. Kristi Noem of South Dakota, have repeated Mr. Trump’s unfounded allegations about problems in the election. “So many serious election integrity concerns,” she wrote on Twitter.
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The most disturbing part, is that based on the 2020 election, there was no punishment for acting this way regarding Trump.
 
Current and former Trump officials quietly reach out to Biden team - CNNPolitics - "The outreach is a sign that President Donald Trump's refusal to concede the election and the continued obstruction from the White House is beginning to frustrate even those affiliated with the administration."

GOP canvassers attempt to rescind votes to certify Wayne County vote
Two Republican Wayne County canvassers have signed affidavits saying they regret their votes Tuesday to certify the Nov. 3 election. They argued it was "intense bullying and coercion" and bad legal advice that forced them to agree to certify the election after they had voted no.

Canvassers Monica Palmer and William Hartmann have claimed the promises made to them of a "comprehensive audit" of the Nov. 3 election should they certify "will not be fulfilled."

"I rescind my prior vote to certify Wayne County elections," Palmer said in an affidavit signed Wednesday night. "I fully believe the Wayne County vote should not be certified."
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You're telling *me*. :p

'Baloney...bizarre...paranoid': Wisc. Democratic election official on Trump ballot claims - "The bipartisan state board argued for six hours before approving the recount rules."
 
Emily Murphy: Inside a government bureaucrat's pressure-filled decision to delay the transition - CNNPolitics
Facing mounting pressure from both sides, and even death threats, the sources say Murphy is working to interpret vague agency guidelines and follow what she sees as precedent to wait to sign off on the election result, a process known as "ascertainment" that would allow the official presidential transition to begin.

Still, Murphy's stalled sign-off is one of the more confounding decisions made since the election, since it's clear Biden won and Trump's legal challenges won't change the outcome. Biden's team has warned the delay has real-world consequences to national security and their Covid-19 response.
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Trump campaign revises Pennsylvania suit, again - POLITICO
President Donald Trump’s campaign has filed yet another version of its lawsuit over the election results in Pennsylvania, now contending that he should be named the victor in the presidential contest there or that the state legislature be given the authority to assign the state’s 20 electoral votes.

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The new complaint claims 1.5 million mail-in or absentee votes in seven Pennsylvania counties “should not have been counted” and that the disputed votes resulted “in returns indicating Biden won Pennsylvania.”

The new pleading also continues to pursue an unusual tack for Republicans: invoking international standards to assess the legitimacy of U.S. election procedures.
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They must be very desperate to win, because they usually oppose such things.
The new complaint also comes close to accusing the judges of Pennsylvania’s highest court of political bias, the kind of accusation that is common in newspaper editorials and cable news shows but rarely appears in federal court pleadings filed by experienced attorneys.

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During the five-hour session, U.S. District Court Judge Matthew Brann sounded skeptical that the most sweeping relief sought by the Trump campaign — throwing out hundreds of thousands of votes, or perhaps more than a million — was justified by problems with poll watching or disparate procedures for “curing” defective mail-in ballots.

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Brann had scheduled such a hearing for Thursday, but he canceled it at the conclusion of the arguments Tuesday, leading to speculation that he might throw the case out.
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He ought to do so.
 
Georgia Recount: Vote Count Shows Biden Still Ahead : NPR

Recount finds thousands of Georgia votes missing from initial counts | Pittsburgh Post-Gazette - about 5,900 votes. Trump has gotten about 1,400 votes from them, reducing Biden's lead to 12,781 votes.

In Georgia Recount, a Republican Feud With Trump at the Center - The New York Times - "Double-crossing. Accusations of lying and incompetence. And a bitter divide over whether to endorse President Trump’s false claims of fraud. The G.O.P. in Georgia has a messy feud unfolding, with two Senate seats up for grabs."

Wisconsin Democratic election official: Don't water Trump's 'plant of baloney' - "The bipartisan state board argued for six hours before approving the recount rules."
 
lpetrich said:
Trump campaign revises Pennsylvania suit, again - POLITICO

They must be very desperate to win, because they usually oppose such things.
The new complaint also comes close to accusing the judges of Pennsylvania’s highest court of political bias, the kind of accusation that is common in newspaper editorials and cable news shows but rarely appears in federal court pleadings filed by experienced attorneys.

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During the five-hour session, U.S. District Court Judge Matthew Brann sounded skeptical that the most sweeping relief sought by the Trump campaign — throwing out hundreds of thousands of votes, or perhaps more than a million — was justified by problems with poll watching or disparate procedures for “curing” defective mail-in ballots.

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Brann had scheduled such a hearing for Thursday, but he canceled it at the conclusion of the arguments Tuesday, leading to speculation that he might throw the case out.
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I've got to think that any judge would view this type of lawyering as dysfunctional at best. The Judge already threw out the line about this being about asking him to throw out hundreds of thousands of votes. No judge is going to do that, over hyper technicalities in accusation (not even practice).

Giuliani is trying to invent a scandal to justify handing the wheel from the people of Pennsylvania to the State Legislature. This judge is a W appointee and doesn't seem willing to bite on that. Separation of Powers at work!
 
https://www.cnn.com/2020/11/19/politics/gop-michigan-results-trump/index.html

Detroit area Republicans want to take back their votes to certify the votes. This is after they both got calls from Trump!

The two GOP board members on the four-person board sent sworn affidavits to the county's attorney disavowing their previous votes to certify. But given that the deadline for county certification has already passed, it is unclear what legal remedy or legitimate argument these two Republican officials can make to formally rescind their votes and undo the certification.

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Certification is usually a formality, but President Donald Trump is trying to block or delay the process in key states as part of a long-shot effort to overturn his election defeat through the Electoral College.
Democratic Vice Chair Jonathan Kinloch said on Thursday that the county certification date of November 17 is a definitive deadline and that board members' votes cannot be changed after the fact. The GOP officials sent their affidavits to the county, but the action stops there. They have not filed any lawsuits to try to force the county to call a new meeting.

"There is no further action that can be taken in regards to the certification," Kinloch told CNN.
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What the hell is going on in this country?! The President is calling individuals on county boards to intercede on the certification of the vote. And the GOP still remains silent.

This is the best part of the article.
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Asked if she discussed the presidential vote count with Trump, Palmer told the Post: "It's hard for me to describe. There was a lot of adrenalin and stress going on. There were general comments about different states but we really didn't discuss the details of the certification. ... It was not pressure. It was genuine concern for my safety."
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We are supposed to believe that for a second?!

It honestly appears that the GOP is seriously going to steal this in Congress.
 
lpetrich said:
Opinion | The corrupt bargain between Trump and Republicans is about to unravel - The Washington Post
President Trump needs Republicans to help him validate his big lie that the votes of millions of Americans are illegitimate and that the election is being stolen from him. Meanwhile, Republicans need Trump to keep his voters energized for two big Senate runoffs in Georgia.

This has created a Faustian bargain of sorts: Republicans keep feeding the illusion that the outcome of the presidential race remains in doubt by refusing to say Trump should concede. And Trump keeps screaming that the outcome is fraudulent, which he may or may not actually believe, but either way, it has utility to Republicans because it keeps his voters in a fury.
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I think that the Congressional Republicans want to keep it going long enough to get Trumpies to the polls in the Georgia runoffs, even if it unravels afterwards.

But there is a risk that it may unravel before that.
The flaw in this bargain is evident in the fact that Trump is reportedly angry at Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) and Republicans for not doing quite enough to keep that illusion alive.
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This offers some hope that Trump might blow it by opposing the Georgia Republican candidates out of pure spite, as thumping his nose at the Congressional Republicans for not supporting him enough.
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What actually seems to be happening is that Trump's and assorted out-of-state Senators tangling with state-level Republics in Georgia is turning off some Republican voters in Georgia as to the Senate run-off.
 
jab said:
lpetrich said:
Opinion | The corrupt bargain between Trump and Republicans is about to unravel - The Washington Post

I think that the Congressional Republicans want to keep it going long enough to get Trumpies to the polls in the Georgia runoffs, even if it unravels afterwards.

But there is a risk that it may unravel before that.

This offers some hope that Trump might blow it by opposing the Georgia Republican candidates out of pure spite, as thumping his nose at the Congressional Republicans for not supporting him enough.
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What actually seems to be happening is that Trump's and assorted out-of-state Senators tangling with state-level Republics in Georgia is turning off some Republican voters in Georgia as to the Senate run-off.
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No worries. If any Democrats prevail in either of the runoffs there will be a recount and the result will be "corrected".
 
Rudy and his team of top lawyers are making a case with straight face that the election was rigged by Hugo Chavez, Nicolas Maduro, and the Clinton Foundation together with Antifa.
 
Jayjay said:
Rudy and his team of top lawyers are making a case with straight face that the election was rigged by Hugo Chavez, Nicolas Maduro, and the Clinton Foundation together with Antifa.
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Let's not forget Cuba and China. Plus George Soros, and counting.

BTW, what are the two streaks running down the sides of Rudy's face? Looks like something is leaking from his side burns. Freaky.
 
Treedbear said:
Jayjay said:
Rudy and his team of top lawyers are making a case with straight face that the election was rigged by Hugo Chavez, Nicolas Maduro, and the Clinton Foundation together with Antifa.
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Let's not forget Cuba and China. Plus George Soros, and counting.

BTW, what are the two streaks running down the sides of Rudy's face? Looks like something is leaking from his side burns. Freaky.
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I saw something similar from The Fifth Element. Shouldn't have dyed his hair today.
 
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Trump's eldest children split on his path forward - CNNPolitics
While his adult sons, Donald Trump Jr. and Eric Trump, are gung-ho, leading the charge for the President to stay in the fight, daughter and White House adviser Ivanka Trump has emerged as someone looking for a way for the President to save face as he considers his next steps, sources tell CNN.

Differing approaches have emerged amongst the Trump siblings: Donald Trump Jr. and Eric Trump are telling their father to aggressively fight to the end, echoing baseless claims that the election has been rigged and the outcome should change. Ivanka Trump and her husband, Jared Kushner, meanwhile, are weighing a different political calculus. Ivanka Trump and Kushner would prefer the President concede the race as soon as next week after the Georgia recount has concluded on November 20, whereas Eric Trump and Donald Trump Jr. would prefer to drag it out until the bitter end.
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Yayy for Li'l Donnie! for once Pops values Donnie boy more than big sis
 
Georgia to announce results of recount; Trump campaign drops Michigan suit - UPI.com
Gabriel Sterling, manager of the state's voting information system, told reporters the results of the full audit report will be available sometime Thursday afternoon.
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That will be welcome.
Sterling added that the new results are expected to show a small pickup for Trump. Most electoral recounts typically vary by a few hundred votes, experts say.

Included in the new tally will be about 5,800 uncounted votes that were discovered on memory cards in a few counties -- about 3,600 for Trump and 2,200 for Biden.
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So Trump gains about 1,400 votes. Not much.
Earlier Thursday, the Trump campaign dropped a lawsuit seeking to halt the certification of election results in Michigan's Wayne County, which contains Detroit.
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Just as well. Seems like Trump's barratry is failing here. Barratry is harassment by litigation. Trump's lawyers have filed lawsuits in AZ, GA, MI, NV, PA, and WI. "Many have been dismissed or withdrawn."
Repeated claims of fraud by the campaign have been consistently refuted by experts and election officials, many of whom say they are a clear and direct threat to American democracy.

"There's nothing inherently legitimate about filing these lawsuits," Harvard University law professor Nicholas Stephanopoulos told the Harvard Crimson Thursday. "There's simply no evidence to support the allegations of fraud, non-compliance with state law, faulty software or glitches, etc."

"A fair number of lawsuits are frivolous, in the quite technical sense that it would [be] appropriate for a judge to impose sanctions such as fines on the [attorneys] who filed them," added Harvard Professor Emeritus Mark Tushnet.
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Jayjay said:
Rudy and his team of top lawyers are making a case with straight face that the election was rigged by Hugo Chavez, Nicolas Maduro, and the Clinton Foundation together with Antifa.
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I thought Jayjay's post was a joke.

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