6:00pm Curfew for men

[TSwizzle]

An interesting talking point raised in the UK House of Lords;

Baroness Jones told the House of Lords: ‘In the week that Sarah Everard was abducted and, we suppose, killed—because remains have been found in a woodland in Kent — I argue that, at the next opportunity for any Bill that is appropriate, I might put in an amendment to create a curfew for men on the streets after 6pm. ‘I feel this would make women a lot safer, and discrimination of all kinds would be lessened.’ Baroness Jones made the comments during a debate on domestic violence.

Metro

Wales would consider introducing curfews for men to help women feel safer in the event of a ‘crisis’, First Minister Mark Drakeford has said. The politician said the action would not be ‘top of the list’ and would only ever be temporary – but refused to rule it out if ‘dramatic action’ was called for. It comes after Green Party peer Baroness Jones of Moulescoomb suggested a 6pm curfew for men after women were told to change their behaviour following Sarah Everard’s disappearance. Mr Drakeford was asked by the BBC about the idea of introducing curfews on men in areas where there were concerns of women being assaulted.

Metro

It's an interesting starting point, I can't see it ever being implemented. Perhaps there's another direction to take.

 

[bigfield]

Seems like this proposal has come about because people are still telling women to change their behaviour in order to avoid being assaulted.

Can't say I would ever like to be subject to a curfew. But convicting the perpetrators has not been enough of a deterrent to future perpetrators, and this curfew would actually make a real improvement of women's public safety.

 

[Politesse]

Interesting. Something like this would be impossible in my country, due to the protections of the 14th amendment to our National Constitution. But the UK has no exactly equivalent prerogative.

 

[steve_bank]

I would add a requirement that all women wear ab bag to avoid tempting men.

 

[Metaphor]

The Welsh gov't believes "trans women are women, trans men are men and non-binary identities are valid". I wonder if Wales has a system in mind to keep track of the current gender of the gender fluid? Perhaps a tracking app

 

[Trausti]

The Welsh gov't believes "trans women are women, trans men are men and non-binary identities are valid". I wonder if Wales has a system in mind to keep track of the current gender of the gender fluid? Perhaps a tracking app

Surely the gender fluid would be men by day and Ex-Men by night.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Seems like this proposal has come about because people are still telling women to change their behaviour in order to avoid being assaulted.

Of course they are. Whatever the crime there are things to do to reduce your chance of being a victim. Why should rape be any different? In an ideal world there wouldn't be crime but until then we will do things to reduce our chance of being victims.

 

[Derec]

And then I get attacked when I call radical feminists like this woman "feminazis".



If they don't want to be compared to Nazis, maybe they should not be stealing their ideas.

 

[DBT]

The Welsh gov't believes "trans women are women, trans men are men and non-binary identities are valid". I wonder if Wales has a system in mind to keep track of the current gender of the gender fluid? Perhaps a tracking app

Surely the gender fluid would be men by day and Ex-Men by night.

Lift the economy by boosting sales of high heel shoes, lipstick, makeup, wigs, dresses....men by day, females by night.

 

[Jarhyn]

I'm glad that the SCOTUS already decided that the constitution protects equal rights and protection of the laws regardless of sex or gender, so that shit wouldn't fly here.

Oops, did you expect me to say something defending stupidity?

Though it SEEMS like this bill isn't intended to pass but is rather a political statement turning the whole victim blaming narrative on its head.

Also, who cares who is trans, gender-fluid, or even anti-gender and where they are and how many? Like, why do any of y'all conservatives care? Putting that shit on birth certificates and IDs at all was a completely unnecessary activity. It is private information.

 

[ZiprHead]

And then I get attacked when I call radical feminists like this woman "feminazis".

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If they don't want to be compared to Nazis, maybe they should not be stealing their ideas.

That you think Jones was serious in her proposal of a curfew shows how skewed your thoughts of women are.

Interesting you always seem to have nazi imagery at the ready. You must have a whole hard drive full of it.

I also note you didn't say anything about the accused perp and his family's reaction as you usually do when the accused is a black man.

A serving Metropolitan Police officer, father-of-two Wayne Couzens, has been arrested on suspicion of murder and abduction. His family broke their silence today, insisting ‘he could not do anything like this’ and describing him as a ‘wonderful man’.

 

[Toni]

It would be interesting, in theory, to see how a 6 pm curfew for men affected crime rates.

I wonder how it would affect homicides, assaults, drunk driving, burglaries and robberies, drug trafficking, sex trafficking, etc. Obviously, not all who commit such crimes or purchase such products are male.

I am NOT suggesting this is something that should happen. But very interesting and very predictable to see men lose their minds over the loss of any amount of freedom for themselves while happily embracing the loss of freedom of women who seek to protect themselves against crimes. Women: If you don't want to be raped, stay at home where you belong, with your knees together, abstaining from liquor and any other intoxicant and watch your hemlines and necklines! Just....make your man some dinner. Don't have your own man? Well, there's your problem right there. Act right and get yourself one.

 

[bigfield]

Seems like this proposal has come about because people are still telling women to change their behaviour in order to avoid being assaulted.

Of course they are. Whatever the crime there are things to do to reduce your chance of being a victim. Why should rape be any different? In an ideal world there wouldn't be crime but until then we will do things to reduce our chance of being victims.

There are reasonable things to expect of people, like "don't do illegal activity with violent criminals" and "don't go picking fights". No-one can reasonably expect society to keep you safe if you go out of your way to get your head kicked in. On the other hand, there are unreasonable expectations that people can put on you, like "always carry a defensive weapon", or as the Welsh police advised in this particular case, "don't go out at night". As long as you put these unreasonable expectations on people, women will have far less liberty than men. That's obviously out of place in a society that values freedom and justice.

 

[thebeave]

It would be interesting, in theory, to see how a 6 pm curfew for men affected crime rates.

I wonder how it would affect homicides, assaults, drunk driving, burglaries and robberies, drug trafficking, sex trafficking, etc. Obviously, not all who commit such crimes or purchase such products are male.

I am NOT suggesting this is something that should happen. But very interesting and very predictable to see men lose their minds over the loss of any amount of freedom for themselves while happily embracing the loss of freedom of women who seek to protect themselves against crimes. Women: If you don't want to be raped, stay at home where you belong, with your knees together, abstaining from liquor and any other intoxicant and watch your hemlines and necklines! Just....make your man some dinner. Don't have your own man? Well, there's your problem right there. Act right and get yourself one.

I wouldn't be surprised if crimes against women actually went up. The good men out there would be generally compliant and stay home, while the bad men (who don't much care about laws anyway) would sneak out and take the opportunity to commit crimes against women who are now largely unprotected and unsupported by the good men of society (their husbands, boyfriends, family members, good samaritans). Not to mention female criminals would have a veritable smorgasbord of victims to choose from. Plus, aren't most rapes and murders against women done by men who are known by the victim, rather than strangers? Which means women who have home obligations in the evening are having to spend more time with their abusers. Men wouldn't have the (legal) option to leave the house and cool off in a motel overnight if a conflict is brewing with their spouse. A curfew strikes me as just a really bad idea.

ETA: Looks like it was a police officer who murdered her. So, a curfew wouldn't have done much good anyway, unless police officers were curfewed too.

https://www.cnn.com/2021/03/13/uk/sarah-everard-officer-charged-gbr-intl/index.html

 

[Patooka]

That this is even being discussed in the House of Lords is a pretty clear indication that the British Government is failing to protect around half of its citizens properly.

But fuck that - what the fuck is wrong with all you femanazis? The real victims of this story are the men who read this on the internet and don't even fucking live in the UK and lives won't change one bit. You people have your priorities so fucking arse backwards it sickens me. Shame on all of you. Won't anyone think of the plight of "Men's Rights Activists" (ironically known by most people as cunts) who crusade against this injustice every day?

 

[Terrell]

No. Bad policy to have different sets of laws for different (adult) citizens. Not to mention this would be a form of collective punishment. Why should men who have done nothing wrong be penalized for the actions of men who have? IMO this is no different than arguments for racial profiling, in that they ascribe to the entirety of a biological group the wrongdoings of some members in said group. Membership in these particular groups, as they are biological, is involuntary, absent self-deletion.

 

[Elixir]

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there are unreasonable expectations that people can put on you, like "always carry a defensive weapon", or as the Welsh police advised in this particular case, "don't go out at night". As long as you put these unreasonable expectations on people, women will have far less liberty than men. That's obviously out of place in a society that values freedom and justice.

IOW,
WHATEVER YOU DO, don't go picking fights while doing illegal activity with violent criminals at night without carrying a defensive weapon!
Hey, good advice is good advice, period.

 

[laughing dog]

I noticed the usual splutterings of outrage and "blame the victim" views from the usual suspects, but not an iota of comment about what ws driving the that musing of the baroness. While totally predictable, it is also very disappointing.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

I'm glad that the SCOTUS already decided that the constitution protects equal rights and protection of the laws regardless of sex or gender, so that shit wouldn't fly here.

Oops, did you expect me to say something defending stupidity?

Though it SEEMS like this bill isn't intended to pass but is rather a political statement turning the whole victim blaming narrative on its head.

Also, who cares who is trans, gender-fluid, or even anti-gender and where they are and how many? Like, why do any of y'all conservatives care? Putting that shit on birth certificates and IDs at all was a completely unnecessary activity. It is private information.

I do agree it's political. There's no way it would pass constitutional muster.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Seems like this proposal has come about because people are still telling women to change their behaviour in order to avoid being assaulted.

Of course they are. Whatever the crime there are things to do to reduce your chance of being a victim. Why should rape be any different? In an ideal world there wouldn't be crime but until then we will do things to reduce our chance of being victims.

There are reasonable things to expect of people, like "don't do illegal activity with violent criminals" and "don't go picking fights". No-one can reasonably expect society to keep you safe if you go out of your way to get your head kicked in. On the other hand, there are unreasonable expectations that people can put on you, like "always carry a defensive weapon", or as the Welsh police advised in this particular case, "don't go out at night". As long as you put these unreasonable expectations on people, women will have far less liberty than men. That's obviously out of place in a society that values freedom and justice.

You're missing the point--I'm not saying it's a good thing, I'm saying it's reality. Denying reality doesn't make it go away, those who take more risks are more likely to have something bad happen to them.