A day without stupid?

[Loren Pechtel]

They arrested the doctor who tried to get the word out on the virus... and subsequently died of said virus. China has serious issues. It does not, however, negate Trump's failure in any such way.

agreed--as well, China opposed being locked down internationally at first--probably our of economic concerns. One thing that Trump did right about the Pandemic was put a partial ban on travel from china in place, fairly early on.

It was not early enough, and he failed to ban travel from Europe, which is how the virus reached the US (via NY). Evidence of this is that NY was the first major travel hub in the US to have a massive outbreak, whereas California came significantly later. People traveling to the US from China MUST stop on the west coast. People traveling to the US from Europe MUST stop on the East coast. Obviously the US was infected by European travel, and not Asian travel.

We have some infections from China, but most were from Europe. Genetics says where it came from.

 

[bilby]

They arrested the doctor who tried to get the word out on the virus... and subsequently died of said virus. China has serious issues. It does not, however, negate Trump's failure in any such way.

agreed--as well, China opposed being locked down internationally at first--probably our of economic concerns. One thing that Trump did right about the Pandemic was put a partial ban on travel from china in place, fairly early on.

It was not early enough, and he failed to ban travel from Europe, which is how the virus reached the US (via NY). Evidence of this is that NY was the first major travel hub in the US to have a massive outbreak, whereas California came significantly later. People traveling to the US from China MUST stop on the west coast. People traveling to the US from Europe MUST stop on the East coast. Obviously the US was infected by European travel, and not Asian travel.

There are (or at least used to be) direct flights between LA and London - I flew Air New Zealand on that route back in the '90s.

Korean Airlines used to fly direct from Seoul to NYC too - I consigned freight via that route when I was shipping pharmaceuticals that had to clear in New York, and US Customs require clearance in the US state of first landing. One time our Sydney forwarder tried to save money by shipping via LAX, and our shipment was confiscated and destroyed, and I got a rude letter from the DEA.

So it's most common for Asians to enter the US via the west coast, and Europeans by the east; And that's almost certainly how the Covid got to NY (as suppoted by genetic evidence); But I don't think it's mandatory or unavoidable.

 

[DrZoidberg]

They arrested the doctor who tried to get the word out on the virus... and subsequently died of said virus. China has serious issues. It does not, however, negate Trump's failure in any such way.

agreed--as well, China opposed being locked down internationally at first--probably our of economic concerns. One thing that Trump did right about the Pandemic was put a partial ban on travel from china in place, fairly early on.

The Trump travel ban from China was January 31'st. The Chinese lockdown was January the 23'rd. After the Chinese extremely effective lockdown banning Chinese travellers had limited value.

And it was't a travel ban. Travellers from China had to wait in self quarantine 14 days before being allowed to travel. There's no checking if they really did self quarantine. I think most travellers buy their tickets more than 14 days before travelling anyway. And it was extremely easy to get an American free travel pass and go around the rules if you had an important job. While it probably had an effect. It would have been minor.

I don't think Trump did it to stop the spread of Covid-19. I think it was just another arrow in his trade war against China.

 

[funinspace]

They arrested the doctor who tried to get the word out on the virus... and subsequently died of said virus. China has serious issues. It does not, however, negate Trump's failure in any such way.

agreed--as well, China opposed being locked down internationally at first--probably our of economic concerns. One thing that Trump did right about the Pandemic was put a partial ban on travel from china in place, fairly early on.

The Trump travel ban from China was January 31'st. The Chinese lockdown was January the 23'rd. After the Chinese extremely effective lockdown banning Chinese travellers had limited value.

And it was't a travel ban. Travellers from China had to wait in self quarantine 14 days before being allowed to travel. There's no checking if they really did self quarantine. I think most travellers buy their tickets more than 14 days before travelling anyway. And it was extremely easy to get an American free travel pass and go around the rules if you had an important job. While it probably had an effect. It would have been minor.

I don't think Trump did it to stop the spread of Covid-19. I think it was just another arrow in his trade war against China.

Absolutely regarding the part I bolded. I've said it before, but it is hard to imagine something more stupid than this event: A few weeks later (March 20) the Dotard Administration received US passengers from the cruise ship Costa Luminosa (from France) via a chartered flight, with coordination from Pompeo's State Department (but look over there at BENGHAZI!!!). No quarantine, just go to the regular Atlanta terminal and fly on home if you don't have a fever or other obvious signs. Just try to imagine how many cases spread from somewhere less than 350 people let loose into a major airport hub...and told to find your way home...Fuck the STUPID.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/03/us/costa-luminosa-passengers-ordeal/index.html

Costa coordinated the flight along with the French government and health authorities, Carnival said. The State Department, which has worked to repatriate Americans, also told CNN that the cruise line arranged for the flight.

Sheehan and more than 350 Americans and Canadians were loaded on buses, where they waited for hours before boarding the chartered overnight flight to Atlanta.

At the cargo area where the plane landed, passengers were met by health officials in hazmat suits, Bradbury said. They got a temperature check and a visual assessment, along with paperwork asking whether someone had a cough, a sore throat or other ailments associated with coronavirus, she said.
Those with signs of possible illness were taken into a separate room while those with no symptoms headed to customs, and were later put in buses that dropped them off near a terminal, Bradbury said. From there, they were all told to go in and get their bags.

"We're thinking someone is going to be meeting us ... nope. You just walk in and you're in the terminal with everybody else. We were shocked," Bradbury said.
Several passengers told CNN they were allowed to wander around inside the airport, including at least one person who was symptomatic.
<snip>
Phoenix-area residents Kelea Nevis and her husband, Jim Nevis, were briefly held after his fever registered over 100 degrees, she said. Officials gave her husband a Chick-fil-A sandwich, and retook his temperature after a wait, she told CNN. It had dropped to around 99 degrees, so they were cleared to take a commercial flight home. "His temperature was 102.5 when we landed," Kelea Nevis said.

Five days after they got home, he was rushed to the hospital by ambulance. He tested positive for coronavirus, and was hospitalized.

 

[Gun Nut]

It was not early enough, and he failed to ban travel from Europe, which is how the virus reached the US (via NY). Evidence of this is that NY was the first major travel hub in the US to have a massive outbreak, whereas California came significantly later. People traveling to the US from China MUST stop on the west coast. People traveling to the US from Europe MUST stop on the East coast. Obviously the US was infected by European travel, and not Asian travel.

There are (or at least used to be) direct flights between LA and London - I flew Air New Zealand on that route back in the '90s.

Korean Airlines used to fly direct from Seoul to NYC too - I consigned freight via that route when I was shipping pharmaceuticals that had to clear in New York, and US Customs require clearance in the US state of first landing. One time our Sydney forwarder tried to save money by shipping via LAX, and our shipment was confiscated and destroyed, and I got a rude letter from the DEA.

So it's most common for Asians to enter the US via the west coast, and Europeans by the east; And that's almost certainly how the Covid got to NY (as suppoted by genetic evidence); But I don't think it's mandatory or unavoidable.

since 9/11 such flights are rare or nonexistent due to the massive amount of fuel (and resultant inefficiency) of such a route. Smaller planes with less range are more common due to efficiency and safety.

 

[crazyfingers]

It was not early enough, and he failed to ban travel from Europe, which is how the virus reached the US (via NY). Evidence of this is that NY was the first major travel hub in the US to have a massive outbreak, whereas California came significantly later. People traveling to the US from China MUST stop on the west coast. People traveling to the US from Europe MUST stop on the East coast. Obviously the US was infected by European travel, and not Asian travel.

There are (or at least used to be) direct flights between LA and London - I flew Air New Zealand on that route back in the '90s.

Korean Airlines used to fly direct from Seoul to NYC too - I consigned freight via that route when I was shipping pharmaceuticals that had to clear in New York, and US Customs require clearance in the US state of first landing. One time our Sydney forwarder tried to save money by shipping via LAX, and our shipment was confiscated and destroyed, and I got a rude letter from the DEA.

So it's most common for Asians to enter the US via the west coast, and Europeans by the east; And that's almost certainly how the Covid got to NY (as suppoted by genetic evidence); But I don't think it's mandatory or unavoidable.

since 9/11 such flights are rare or nonexistent due to the massive amount of fuel (and resultant inefficiency) of such a route. Smaller planes with less range are more common due to efficiency and safety.

I have had to go to Japan from Boston every year for the last 30 years. Last October 2019 was the first time I got a direct from Boston to Narita and back. American 787.
All previous strips I've had to make at least one connection.

 

[bilby]

It was not early enough, and he failed to ban travel from Europe, which is how the virus reached the US (via NY). Evidence of this is that NY was the first major travel hub in the US to have a massive outbreak, whereas California came significantly later. People traveling to the US from China MUST stop on the west coast. People traveling to the US from Europe MUST stop on the East coast. Obviously the US was infected by European travel, and not Asian travel.

There are (or at least used to be) direct flights between LA and London - I flew Air New Zealand on that route back in the '90s.

Korean Airlines used to fly direct from Seoul to NYC too - I consigned freight via that route when I was shipping pharmaceuticals that had to clear in New York, and US Customs require clearance in the US state of first landing. One time our Sydney forwarder tried to save money by shipping via LAX, and our shipment was confiscated and destroyed, and I got a rude letter from the DEA.

So it's most common for Asians to enter the US via the west coast, and Europeans by the east; And that's almost certainly how the Covid got to NY (as suppoted by genetic evidence); But I don't think it's mandatory or unavoidable.

since 9/11 such flights are rare or nonexistent due to the massive amount of fuel (and resultant inefficiency) of such a route. Smaller planes with less range are more common due to efficiency and safety.

KE081 ICN > JFK is still operating daily (that was my drugs flight).

NZ002 LAX > LHR was suspended in March 2020, due to COVID; It was slated to be discontinued in October 2020 anyway, due to competition from the NZ > UK route via Asia/Arabia.

So both flights I was talking about were still operating at the beginning of this year.

9/11 didn't have any long term effect on either service.

Australia and NZ are a long way from anywhere, so the trend towards shorter legs hasn't had as much impact on services to and from those nations as it has in the rest of the world. Nobody wants to change planes twice on a flight that already takes 24 hours plus of flight time.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

It was not early enough, and he failed to ban travel from Europe, which is how the virus reached the US (via NY). Evidence of this is that NY was the first major travel hub in the US to have a massive outbreak, whereas California came significantly later. People traveling to the US from China MUST stop on the west coast. People traveling to the US from Europe MUST stop on the East coast. Obviously the US was infected by European travel, and not Asian travel.

There are (or at least used to be) direct flights between LA and London - I flew Air New Zealand on that route back in the '90s.

Korean Airlines used to fly direct from Seoul to NYC too - I consigned freight via that route when I was shipping pharmaceuticals that had to clear in New York, and US Customs require clearance in the US state of first landing. One time our Sydney forwarder tried to save money by shipping via LAX, and our shipment was confiscated and destroyed, and I got a rude letter from the DEA.

So it's most common for Asians to enter the US via the west coast, and Europeans by the east; And that's almost certainly how the Covid got to NY (as suppoted by genetic evidence); But I don't think it's mandatory or unavoidable.

since 9/11 such flights are rare or nonexistent due to the massive amount of fuel (and resultant inefficiency) of such a route. Smaller planes with less range are more common due to efficiency and safety.

If you're heading to the east coast anyway it's considerably more efficient to do it with a single flight.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

So are we going to drown this thread tonight with stupid or will we have a separate thread for the Debate dumb.

 

[crazyfingers]

I vote for stupid. And I don't mean I'm voting for Trump.

 

[DrZoidberg]

I wonder if Trump lost the debate. I suspect that what we've seen is a radical shift in the realities of politics. Acting civilised and respecting the rules doesn't seem to be valued by the voters anymore. Trump isn't behaving any worse than than back when he won the last election. A friend of mine simply commented, "Trump was more entertaining to watch. Biden just came across as dry and boring by comparisson". He couldn't recall and single thing Biden had said.

Perhaps that's what politics is now. Entertainment. I mean... it's always been. More or less. But now more. Trump might as well have been standing in soiled nappies flinging poop at Biden. He certainly had that degree of dignity in the debate.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

I wonder if Trump lost the debate. I suspect that what we've seen is a radical shift in the realities of politics. Acting civilised and respecting the rules doesn't seem to be valued by the voters anymore. Trump isn't behaving any worse than than back when he won the last election. A friend of mine simply commented, "Trump was more entertaining to watch. Biden just came across as dry and boring by comparisson". He couldn't recall and single thing Biden had said.

That's entertainment?! It was like watching an episode of Cops... and Trump wasn't the Cops.

Perhaps that's what politics is now. Entertainment. I mean... it's always been. More or less. But now more. Trump might as well have been standing in soiled nappies flinging poop at Biden. He certainly had that degree of dignity in the debate.

The right-wing has a couple of angles.

1) It was Chris Wallace's fault
2) Trump won because...

A lot of dumping on Wallace and it becomes an issue of how can Wallace have controlled Trump without cutting the mic. Why in the world does the President of the United States need their mic cut?! It shouldn't be necessary to treat Trump like a child, he is the gawd damn President.

Then Trump won... because... and much like most Trump supporters, there is no actual reason provided, other than Biden looked "weak" or "slow" or Trump "just came of as energetic".

If that debate was scored, Trump would have been disqualified after 5 minutes. From Presidential Debate standards, it was a deplorable night. But from mere partisan expectations, apparently, Trump hit the sweet spot. Biden did the best he could with the situation there was. Listening to content, there wasn't much, it mainly came from Biden. If your friend is incapable of understanding what Biden said, probably should just skip political debates.

 

[funinspace]

I wonder if Trump lost the debate. I suspect that what we've seen is a radical shift in the realities of politics. Acting civilised and respecting the rules doesn't seem to be valued by the voters anymore. Trump isn't behaving any worse than than back when he won the last election. A friend of mine simply commented, "Trump was more entertaining to watch. Biden just came across as dry and boring by comparisson". He couldn't recall and single thing Biden had said.

Perhaps that's what politics is now. Entertainment. I mean... it's always been. More or less. But now more. Trump might as well have been standing in soiled nappies flinging poop at Biden. He certainly had that degree of dignity in the debate.

When Rick Santorum wouldn't defend Clownstick's behavior last night, and even lamented some of it, one can presume that Clownstick lost the debate. Fox and Friends, the next morning was trying to give their Orange Doturd lessons on how not to fuck up a debate...yeah Clownstick fucked it up. Clownstick needed Biden to fumble, to crumble, to look aged. Biden stood firm against the hurricane of insults, BS, and shout downs. That was probably about all he needed to do to protect his perceived lead; and he probably did a little better than that from what parts I have seen.

 

[funinspace]

Well, its been a stimulating week. The Dotard has gone from 'we really need a stimulus', to fuck the Democrats and their stimulus, to Twiddle de Dotard last night back to begging for stimulus. I wonder if he is on stimulants.... Either way, makes for a heady stock market ride...

 

[Gospel]

Well, its been a stimulating week. The Dotard has gone from 'we really need a stimulus', to fuck the Democrats and their stimulus, to Twiddle de Dotard last night back to begging for stimulus. I wonder if he is on stimulants.... Either way, makes for a heady stock market ride...

He also went from Mail in voting is a disaster to EVERYONE MAIL IN VOTE!!!
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1313902347416895489?s=20

 

[Keith&Co.]

Well, its been a stimulating week. The Dotard has gone from 'we really need a stimulus', to fuck the Democrats and their stimulus, to Twiddle de Dotard last night back to begging for stimulus. I wonder if he is on stimulants.... Either way, makes for a heady stock market ride...

He also went from Mail in voting is a disaster to EVERYONE MAIL IN VOTE!!!

Gosh, i hope that tweet doesn't come back to haunt him when he sues that the mail-in ballots are fraudulent.

 

[Artemus]

Giuliani says that he is taking hydroxychloroquine even though he claims to have tested negative. I wonder what quack prescribed it for him at this point?

 

[Shadowy Man]

Well, its been a stimulating week. The Dotard has gone from 'we really need a stimulus', to fuck the Democrats and their stimulus, to Twiddle de Dotard last night back to begging for stimulus. I wonder if he is on stimulants.... Either way, makes for a heady stock market ride...

He also went from Mail in voting is a disaster to EVERYONE MAIL IN VOTE!!!
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1313902347416895489?s=20

To be fair, he has attempted a logical approach of saying that absentee ballots (I.e., those *requested* by a voter) are ok while unsolicited ballots sent out are the ones that are bad. However, once they are sent back in it is unclear how they can really be different.

 

[DrZoidberg]

Here's a challenge to you all. Can anybody find anything smart Trump has said? Just out of curiousity.

 

[Shadowy Man]

Here's a challenge to you all. Can anybody find anything smart Trump has said? Just out of curiousity.

Yes. He once said that if everyone is allowed to vote that republicans wouldn’t win elections.