Active shooter du Jour

[ZiprHead]

Yeah, the people shooting up schools are the romantically inept children of conservative white families, for the most part, trained in blaming others for their failures.

Do you have a link or citation to support your claim that is children of conservative white families that shoot up schools?
The Uvalde school shooting was done by someone of Hispanic origin IIRC.

What part of "for the most part" do you not understand?

 

[Spacetime Inhabitant]

Yeah, the people shooting up schools are the romantically inept children of conservative white families, for the most part, trained in blaming others for their failures.

Do you have a link or citation to support your claim that is children of conservative white families that shoot up schools?
The Uvalde school shooting was done by someone of Hispanic origin IIRC.

The Uvalde school shooter wasn't a single assailant. He had over 400 accessory associates, most of whom were white.
Also Tigers! you shouldn't fall into the trap of using the abnormal meaning of Hispanic that many Americans use, which is not compliant with worldwide usage where Hispanic means of Spanish origin and therefore white.

 

[Tigers!]

Yeah, the people shooting up schools are the romantically inept children of conservative white families, for the most part, trained in blaming others for their failures.

Do you have a link or citation to support your claim that is children of conservative white families that shoot up schools?
The Uvalde school shooting was done by someone of Hispanic origin IIRC.

What part of "for the most part" do you not understand?

Jarryn made the claim that the school shooters are the children of conservative white familes. I was asked for a citation. Hardly controversial I would have thought.
That perhaps as has been pointed out i might be fooled by the term "white" as used by those of US culture.

 

[Derec]

Nothing on the NYC shooter yet?

Gunman Kills 4, Including Police Officer, in Midtown Manhattan Shooting

 

[bilby]

Nothing on the NYC shooter yet?

On Jan. 23, 2016, Donald Trump was campaigning in Iowa when he made a remarkable announcement: "I could stand in the middle of Fifth Avenue and shoot somebody, and I wouldn't lose any voters, OK?"

 

[ZiprHead]

Nothing on the NYC shooter yet?

Gunman Kills 4, Including Police Officer, in Midtown Manhattan Shooting

Nothing? They know his name, where he is from, and his probable motive.

 

[thebeave]

Nothing on the NYC shooter yet?

Gunman Kills 4, Including Police Officer, in Midtown Manhattan Shooting

The Luigi Mangione apologists have something to celebrate with this one too:

Exec's Murder Sparks Luigi Memes ... Internet Trolls Mock CEO Death

Demented trolls are poking fun at one of the NYC shooter's victims this week ... saying a corporate real-estate executive got "LUIGI'D" -- a reference to alleged UnitedHealthCare CEO killer Luigi Mangione.

Social media scoundrels posted a photo on X of a woman named Wesley LePatner -- senior managing director of Blackstone -- who was one of 4 people fatally shot by Shane Tamura inside a Manhattan skyscraper Monday night before he took his own life.

Fucking sickos.

 

[scombrid]

I wanted to see what sources other than TMZ had to say about the luigi trolling. So I typed LePatner and Luigi into a search engine. Top hits were Sky News Australia, New York Post, and TMZ. Now you people don't like trolls? Oh, do clutch those pearls soaked in crocodile tears.

 

[southernhybrid]

I don't know if it was mentioned in the NYT article linked as I scanned it quickly, but another one I read said that the shooter believed he had brain damage from playing football in high school and he asked that his brain be studies after his death. What I will never understand is why some of these people who commit suicide feel the need to kill some other folks along with themselves.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

I don't know if it was mentioned in the NYT article linked as I scanned it quickly, but another one I read said that the shooter believed he had brain damage from playing football in high school and he asked that his brain be studies after his death. What I will never understand is why some of these people who commit suicide feel the need to kill some other folks along with themselves.

I can easily understand why suicidal people would want to take out others along with themselves. They are suicidal and irrational.

What I can't understand is why anyone would sell them a gun!

 

[southernhybrid]

I don't know if it was mentioned in the NYT article linked as I scanned it quickly, but another one I read said that the shooter believed he had brain damage from playing football in high school and he asked that his brain be studies after his death. What I will never understand is why some of these people who commit suicide feel the need to kill some other folks along with themselves.

I can easily understand why suicidal people would want to take out others along with themselves. They are suicidal and irrational.

What I can't understand is why anyone would sell them a gun!

I get that they are irrational, but most suicidal people don't kill other people. Maybe it's some type of anger that makes them want others to suffer or die along with them. Perhaps I can find some information that explains on some psych sites.

 

[southernhybrid]

I found a little information as to why some people commit murder/suicide. I guess it makes sense.

https://theconversation.com/there-a...der-suicide-but-they-are-extremely-rare-39480

However we do know some things about why people violently attack others and then end their own lives. We know from the other (admittedly very rare) murder-suicide events, that these attacks are usually carried out by young men (young men are, in our society, much more likely to be aggressive), a sense of alienation and resentment against other people and society (often fuelled by very real prejudice and unjust social circumstances), a sense of disillusionment and hopelessness, and attraction towards notorious glamour – often, ironically, fuelled by the kinds of headlines that I and my colleagues in mental health resent. And of course ready access to lethal weapons.

Some of these emotions and belief systems are recognisably similar to the misery suffered by many millions of people who, of course, have no intention to harm themselves or others (even if they occasionally take a few days off work, seek professional help or even seek a medical solution).

 

[Elixir]

I guess it makes sense.

Maybe, but DON'T DO IT!

 

[southernhybrid]

I guess it makes sense.

Maybe, but DON'T DO IT!

Don't worry. I'm not a depressed, isolated young male. I'm and old woman with a very active social life, who is rarely angry or depressed. Humor, not violence gets me through the day.

I was just trying to figure out what makes some people take out their anger and frustrations on others. It's probably more complicated than what was written by that article.

 

[hurtinbuckaroo]

Nothing on the NYC shooter yet?

Gunman Kills 4, Including Police Officer, in Midtown Manhattan Shooting

The Luigi Mangione apologists have something to celebrate with this one too:

Exec's Murder Sparks Luigi Memes ... Internet Trolls Mock CEO Death

Demented trolls are poking fun at one of the NYC shooter's victims this week ... saying a corporate real-estate executive got "LUIGI'D" -- a reference to alleged UnitedHealthCare CEO killer Luigi Mangione.

Social media scoundrels posted a photo on X of a woman named Wesley LePatner -- senior managing director of Blackstone -- who was one of 4 people fatally shot by Shane Tamura inside a Manhattan skyscraper Monday night before he took his own life.

Fucking sickos.

As it turns out, the shooter was targeting the National Football League, which also has offices there. He got off the elevator on the wrong floor, and shot up the Blackstone office.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

It doesn't necessarily "start at home". Shooters typically have siblings that aren't shooters.

And plenty of families have joy with firearms and people don't become shooters.

We keep seeing gun-crazy families with mass shooters.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Or how about this one?

4 killed, 14 wounded in Chicago mass shooting outside Artis Restaurant and Lounge in River North

Funny how mass shootings like these are largely ignored on here. Perhaps because most likely handguns were used, and so it can't be used as a cudgel to push the bogus "assault weapons ban".

Because it's a drive-by that's in all probability gang related rather than a mass shooting.

 

[ZiprHead]

Or how about this one?

4 killed, 14 wounded in Chicago mass shooting outside Artis Restaurant and Lounge in River North

Funny how mass shootings like these are largely ignored on here. Perhaps because most likely handguns were used, and so it can't be used as a cudgel to push the bogus "assault weapons ban".

Because it's a drive-by that's in all probability gang related rather than a mass shooting.

Derec knows full well that's not what people think of when refering to mass shooters.

 

[Elixir]

Derec knows full well that's not what people think of when refering to mass shooters.

Disingenuousness is a stock in trade for some people.

 

[ZiprHead]

Yeah, the people shooting up schools are the romantically inept children of conservative white families, for the most part, trained in blaming others for their failures.

Do you have a link or citation to support your claim that is children of conservative white families that shoot up schools?
The Uvalde school shooting was done by someone of Hispanic origin IIRC.

https://www.jpedhc.org/article/S0891-5245(21)00290-X/fulltext

INTRODUCTION​

School shootings are events that can shatter an entire community and leave generations of students and adults devastated. A school shooting is the discharge of a firearm or gun inside a school building or on-campus grounds (National Threat Assessment Center [NTAC], 2019). From 2013 to 2019, there have been 421 recorded incidents of gunfire on school grounds (Everytown, 2019), and from 2015 to 2018, the United States averaged a school shooting every 77 days (Melgar, 2019). Using one or more firearms at an educational institution, such as a primary school, secondary school, or university, is considered a traumatic event. Identification of and screening for factors that provide insight into the risk for violence at a school must be addressed when discussing school shooting prevention.

CHARACTERISTICS​

There is no definite profile of an at-risk school as school characteristics have varied by socioeconomic level and racial composition. Schools involved in shootings have varied in size, location, and student-teacher ratios (NTAC, 2019). The literature suggests that urban, low-income, and high minority schools had more shootings overall. These were characterized as disputes or grievances occurring more often outside the school buildings (United States Government Accountability Office [GAO], 2020). Suburban and rural, high-income, and low minority schools had more suicides and school-targeted shootings, which have the highest fatalities per incident and occur more often inside school buildings (GAO, 2020; NTAC, 2019). Analyses report that half of the shooters were students or former students; the remainder had no relationship to the school, or their relationship was unknown (GAO, 2020). When identified as an accidental shooting, a suicide, or school-targeted shooting, the shooter was more often a student or former student (Clark, Raphael, & McGuire, 2018; GAO, 2020).

Most school shooters have experienced being bullied by their classmates for weeks, months, or years (Clark et al., 2018; NTAC, 2019). Bullying, defined by aggressive behavior (i.e., behavior that is intentional and mean) that repeatedly occurs over time, is a prevalent form of youth violence, particularly in school settings (Children's Hospital of Philadelphia [CHOP], 2020). Occurring within the context of a power imbalance often takes various forms, which include physical (e.g., hitting), verbal (e.g., name-calling), relational (e.g., social isolation), or online (cyber) bullying. Bullying victimization is also associated with ACEs and is considered a harmful social determinant of health and well-being, with lifelong consequences (Ahmadi, Pynoos, Olango, & Molla, 2016; Pontes & Pontes, 2021). Evidence suggests that victims of bullying are more likely to engage in risky behavior and report psychological issues, including using illicit drugs, having depression and suicidal thoughts, and acting in violent ways (CHOP, 2020; Hertz, Everett Jones, Barrios, David-Ferdon, & Holt, 2015; Klomek et al., 2013).
Most school shooters have reports of psychological, behavioral, or developmental warning signs such as depressive symptoms, suicidal ideation, or defiance/misconduct behaviors (Bonanno & Levenson, 2014; NTAC, 2019). Motives for the shooting typically involved one or more grievances with classmates, their own families or school staff, a change in romantic relationship status, disciplinary action(s), or other personal issues including a desire to kill, suicide, and seeking fame or notoriety (Bonanno & Levenson, 2014; GAO, 2020; NTAC, 2019; Pontes & Pontes, 2021). Shooters often had a history of school disciplinary actions (being suspended, expelled, or failing grades), and many had prior contact with law enforcement because of their behavior at school (GAO, 2020; NTAC, 2019). Half of the male school shooters had interests in violent topics, and for many, their social media accounts were often used as an outlet for self-expression and threats of violence (NTAC, 2019).

So it looks like Jarhyn was wrong. Sorry, J.