Active shooter du Jour

[Jarhyn]

Yeah, the people shooting up schools are the romantically inept children of conservative white families, for the most part, trained in blaming others for their failures.

Do you have a link or citation to support your claim that is children of conservative white families that shoot up schools?
The Uvalde school shooting was done by someone of Hispanic origin IIRC.

https://www.jpedhc.org/article/S0891-5245(21)00290-X/fulltext

INTRODUCTION​

School shootings are events that can shatter an entire community and leave generations of students and adults devastated. A school shooting is the discharge of a firearm or gun inside a school building or on-campus grounds (National Threat Assessment Center [NTAC], 2019). From 2013 to 2019, there have been 421 recorded incidents of gunfire on school grounds (Everytown, 2019), and from 2015 to 2018, the United States averaged a school shooting every 77 days (Melgar, 2019). Using one or more firearms at an educational institution, such as a primary school, secondary school, or university, is considered a traumatic event. Identification of and screening for factors that provide insight into the risk for violence at a school must be addressed when discussing school shooting prevention.

CHARACTERISTICS​

There is no definite profile of an at-risk school as school characteristics have varied by socioeconomic level and racial composition. Schools involved in shootings have varied in size, location, and student-teacher ratios (NTAC, 2019). The literature suggests that urban, low-income, and high minority schools had more shootings overall. These were characterized as disputes or grievances occurring more often outside the school buildings (United States Government Accountability Office [GAO], 2020). Suburban and rural, high-income, and low minority schools had more suicides and school-targeted shootings, which have the highest fatalities per incident and occur more often inside school buildings (GAO, 2020; NTAC, 2019). Analyses report that half of the shooters were students or former students; the remainder had no relationship to the school, or their relationship was unknown (GAO, 2020). When identified as an accidental shooting, a suicide, or school-targeted shooting, the shooter was more often a student or former student (Clark, Raphael, & McGuire, 2018; GAO, 2020).

Most school shooters have experienced being bullied by their classmates for weeks, months, or years (Clark et al., 2018; NTAC, 2019). Bullying, defined by aggressive behavior (i.e., behavior that is intentional and mean) that repeatedly occurs over time, is a prevalent form of youth violence, particularly in school settings (Children's Hospital of Philadelphia [CHOP], 2020). Occurring within the context of a power imbalance often takes various forms, which include physical (e.g., hitting), verbal (e.g., name-calling), relational (e.g., social isolation), or online (cyber) bullying. Bullying victimization is also associated with ACEs and is considered a harmful social determinant of health and well-being, with lifelong consequences (Ahmadi, Pynoos, Olango, & Molla, 2016; Pontes & Pontes, 2021). Evidence suggests that victims of bullying are more likely to engage in risky behavior and report psychological issues, including using illicit drugs, having depression and suicidal thoughts, and acting in violent ways (CHOP, 2020; Hertz, Everett Jones, Barrios, David-Ferdon, & Holt, 2015; Klomek et al., 2013).
Most school shooters have reports of psychological, behavioral, or developmental warning signs such as depressive symptoms, suicidal ideation, or defiance/misconduct behaviors (Bonanno & Levenson, 2014; NTAC, 2019). Motives for the shooting typically involved one or more grievances with classmates, their own families or school staff, a change in romantic relationship status, disciplinary action(s), or other personal issues including a desire to kill, suicide, and seeking fame or notoriety (Bonanno & Levenson, 2014; GAO, 2020; NTAC, 2019; Pontes & Pontes, 2021). Shooters often had a history of school disciplinary actions (being suspended, expelled, or failing grades), and many had prior contact with law enforcement because of their behavior at school (GAO, 2020; NTAC, 2019). Half of the male school shooters had interests in violent topics, and for many, their social media accounts were often used as an outlet for self-expression and threats of violence (NTAC, 2019).

So it looks like Jarhyn was wrong. Sorry, J.

Specifically this part:

"These [lower income/minority profile shootings] were characterized as disputes or grievances occurring more often outside the school buildings (United States Government Accountability Office [GAO], 2020). Suburban and rural, high-income, and low minority schools had more suicides and school-targeted shootings, which have the highest fatalities per incident and occur more often inside school buildings (GAO, 2020; NTAC, 2019)."

This is the profile of a "school shooter" as was intended by my original statement.

I characterize the un-bolded section as "shootings at schools".

It's the same kind of differentiation between "shop boys" and "boys who happen to work at shops".

The real question is why one of these groups sees the aggrieved target fewer individuals and not involve radicalization against the world itself, and why the other group tends to have shooters which target the whole student body and school infrastructure.

 

[ZiprHead]

Yeah, the people shooting up schools are the romantically inept children of conservative white families, for the most part, trained in blaming others for their failures.

Do you have a link or citation to support your claim that is children of conservative white families that shoot up schools?
The Uvalde school shooting was done by someone of Hispanic origin IIRC.

https://www.jpedhc.org/article/S0891-5245(21)00290-X/fulltext

INTRODUCTION​

School shootings are events that can shatter an entire community and leave generations of students and adults devastated. A school shooting is the discharge of a firearm or gun inside a school building or on-campus grounds (National Threat Assessment Center [NTAC], 2019). From 2013 to 2019, there have been 421 recorded incidents of gunfire on school grounds (Everytown, 2019), and from 2015 to 2018, the United States averaged a school shooting every 77 days (Melgar, 2019). Using one or more firearms at an educational institution, such as a primary school, secondary school, or university, is considered a traumatic event. Identification of and screening for factors that provide insight into the risk for violence at a school must be addressed when discussing school shooting prevention.

CHARACTERISTICS​

There is no definite profile of an at-risk school as school characteristics have varied by socioeconomic level and racial composition. Schools involved in shootings have varied in size, location, and student-teacher ratios (NTAC, 2019). The literature suggests that urban, low-income, and high minority schools had more shootings overall. These were characterized as disputes or grievances occurring more often outside the school buildings (United States Government Accountability Office [GAO], 2020). Suburban and rural, high-income, and low minority schools had more suicides and school-targeted shootings, which have the highest fatalities per incident and occur more often inside school buildings (GAO, 2020; NTAC, 2019). Analyses report that half of the shooters were students or former students; the remainder had no relationship to the school, or their relationship was unknown (GAO, 2020). When identified as an accidental shooting, a suicide, or school-targeted shooting, the shooter was more often a student or former student (Clark, Raphael, & McGuire, 2018; GAO, 2020).

Most school shooters have experienced being bullied by their classmates for weeks, months, or years (Clark et al., 2018; NTAC, 2019). Bullying, defined by aggressive behavior (i.e., behavior that is intentional and mean) that repeatedly occurs over time, is a prevalent form of youth violence, particularly in school settings (Children's Hospital of Philadelphia [CHOP], 2020). Occurring within the context of a power imbalance often takes various forms, which include physical (e.g., hitting), verbal (e.g., name-calling), relational (e.g., social isolation), or online (cyber) bullying. Bullying victimization is also associated with ACEs and is considered a harmful social determinant of health and well-being, with lifelong consequences (Ahmadi, Pynoos, Olango, & Molla, 2016; Pontes & Pontes, 2021). Evidence suggests that victims of bullying are more likely to engage in risky behavior and report psychological issues, including using illicit drugs, having depression and suicidal thoughts, and acting in violent ways (CHOP, 2020; Hertz, Everett Jones, Barrios, David-Ferdon, & Holt, 2015; Klomek et al., 2013).
Most school shooters have reports of psychological, behavioral, or developmental warning signs such as depressive symptoms, suicidal ideation, or defiance/misconduct behaviors (Bonanno & Levenson, 2014; NTAC, 2019). Motives for the shooting typically involved one or more grievances with classmates, their own families or school staff, a change in romantic relationship status, disciplinary action(s), or other personal issues including a desire to kill, suicide, and seeking fame or notoriety (Bonanno & Levenson, 2014; GAO, 2020; NTAC, 2019; Pontes & Pontes, 2021). Shooters often had a history of school disciplinary actions (being suspended, expelled, or failing grades), and many had prior contact with law enforcement because of their behavior at school (GAO, 2020; NTAC, 2019). Half of the male school shooters had interests in violent topics, and for many, their social media accounts were often used as an outlet for self-expression and threats of violence (NTAC, 2019).

So it looks like Jarhyn was wrong. Sorry, J.

Specifically this part:

"These [lower income/minority profile shootings] were characterized as disputes or grievances occurring more often outside the school buildings (United States Government Accountability Office [GAO], 2020). Suburban and rural, high-income, and low minority schools had more suicides and school-targeted shootings, which have the highest fatalities per incident and occur more often inside school buildings (GAO, 2020; NTAC, 2019)."

This is the profile of a "school shooter" as was intended by my original statement.

I characterize the un-bolded section as "shootings at schools".

It's the same kind of differentiation between "shop boys" and "boys who happen to work at shops".

The real question is why one of these groups sees the aggrieved target fewer individuals and not involve radicalization against the world itself, and why the other group tends to have shooters which target the whole student body and school infrastructure.

My apologies. You were partially correct.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Specifically this part:

"These [lower income/minority profile shootings] were characterized as disputes or grievances occurring more often outside the school buildings (United States Government Accountability Office [GAO], 2020). Suburban and rural, high-income, and low minority schools had more suicides and school-targeted shootings, which have the highest fatalities per incident and occur more often inside school buildings (GAO, 2020; NTAC, 2019)."

This is the profile of a "school shooter" as was intended by my original statement.

I characterize the un-bolded section as "shootings at schools".

It's the same kind of differentiation between "shop boys" and "boys who happen to work at shops".

The real question is why one of these groups sees the aggrieved target fewer individuals and not involve radicalization against the world itself, and why the other group tends to have shooters which target the whole student body and school infrastructure.

The distinction is even wider than you are portraying it as.

Most "school" shootings are simply shootings that take place at a school. While they sometimes involve students the school is simply the setting of a dispute--say, a drug rip in a school parking lot. Rarely do they harm anyone other than the participants. Usually there aren't even students about other than those involved. These generally don't make the news but are used to inflate the numbers of "school" shootings.

The actual events that people think of as "school shootings" are situations where the school is the objective, not merely an incidental. Those are the ones that make the news.

 

[bilby]

It's everso cute when Americans try to play down the insane number of shootings in their country by shunting a fraction of them off into different categories.

You should be aware that in the civilised world, there aren't enough shootings (at schools or not) to make categorising them a worthwhile exercise.

 

[Jarhyn]

It's everso cute when Americans try to play down the insane number of shootings in their country by shunting a fraction of them off into different categories.

You should be aware that in the civilised world, there aren't enough shootings (at schools or not) to make categorising them a worthwhile exercise.

It's always worthwhile to categorize violent events, even if there aren't enough over time somewhere to really give information on rate or incidence.

If nothing else, knowing can allow someone to readily identify the trajectory an event will take based on precursors.

It's sad that there are enough events to give more resolution on that, too.

It's not really an attempt to downplay the events, but really more an attempt at contextualizing them accurately, and being clear about the set of events being discussed.

Both kinds of shooting are the result of too many guns, in theory, but the difference tells an important story about the effects of entitlement mixed with the effects of bullying counter to that sense of entitlement, distinct from the effects of mere bullying.

 

[Tigers!]

Yeah, the people shooting up schools are the romantically inept children of conservative white families, for the most part, trained in blaming others for their failures.

Do you have a link or citation to support your claim that is children of conservative white families that shoot up schools?
The Uvalde school shooting was done by someone of Hispanic origin IIRC.

https://www.jpedhc.org/article/S0891-5245(21)00290-X/fulltext

INTRODUCTION​

School shootings are events that can shatter an entire community and leave generations of students and adults devastated. A school shooting is the discharge of a firearm or gun inside a school building or on-campus grounds (National Threat Assessment Center [NTAC], 2019). From 2013 to 2019, there have been 421 recorded incidents of gunfire on school grounds (Everytown, 2019), and from 2015 to 2018, the United States averaged a school shooting every 77 days (Melgar, 2019). Using one or more firearms at an educational institution, such as a primary school, secondary school, or university, is considered a traumatic event. Identification of and screening for factors that provide insight into the risk for violence at a school must be addressed when discussing school shooting prevention.

CHARACTERISTICS​

There is no definite profile of an at-risk school as school characteristics have varied by socioeconomic level and racial composition. Schools involved in shootings have varied in size, location, and student-teacher ratios (NTAC, 2019). The literature suggests that urban, low-income, and high minority schools had more shootings overall. These were characterized as disputes or grievances occurring more often outside the school buildings (United States Government Accountability Office [GAO], 2020). Suburban and rural, high-income, and low minority schools had more suicides and school-targeted shootings, which have the highest fatalities per incident and occur more often inside school buildings (GAO, 2020; NTAC, 2019). Analyses report that half of the shooters were students or former students; the remainder had no relationship to the school, or their relationship was unknown (GAO, 2020). When identified as an accidental shooting, a suicide, or school-targeted shooting, the shooter was more often a student or former student (Clark, Raphael, & McGuire, 2018; GAO, 2020).

Most school shooters have experienced being bullied by their classmates for weeks, months, or years (Clark et al., 2018; NTAC, 2019). Bullying, defined by aggressive behavior (i.e., behavior that is intentional and mean) that repeatedly occurs over time, is a prevalent form of youth violence, particularly in school settings (Children's Hospital of Philadelphia [CHOP], 2020). Occurring within the context of a power imbalance often takes various forms, which include physical (e.g., hitting), verbal (e.g., name-calling), relational (e.g., social isolation), or online (cyber) bullying. Bullying victimization is also associated with ACEs and is considered a harmful social determinant of health and well-being, with lifelong consequences (Ahmadi, Pynoos, Olango, & Molla, 2016; Pontes & Pontes, 2021). Evidence suggests that victims of bullying are more likely to engage in risky behavior and report psychological issues, including using illicit drugs, having depression and suicidal thoughts, and acting in violent ways (CHOP, 2020; Hertz, Everett Jones, Barrios, David-Ferdon, & Holt, 2015; Klomek et al., 2013).
Most school shooters have reports of psychological, behavioral, or developmental warning signs such as depressive symptoms, suicidal ideation, or defiance/misconduct behaviors (Bonanno & Levenson, 2014; NTAC, 2019). Motives for the shooting typically involved one or more grievances with classmates, their own families or school staff, a change in romantic relationship status, disciplinary action(s), or other personal issues including a desire to kill, suicide, and seeking fame or notoriety (Bonanno & Levenson, 2014; GAO, 2020; NTAC, 2019; Pontes & Pontes, 2021). Shooters often had a history of school disciplinary actions (being suspended, expelled, or failing grades), and many had prior contact with law enforcement because of their behavior at school (GAO, 2020; NTAC, 2019). Half of the male school shooters had interests in violent topics, and for many, their social media accounts were often used as an outlet for self-expression and threats of violence (NTAC, 2019).

So it looks like Jarhyn was wrong. Sorry, J.

Specifically this part:

"These [lower income/minority profile shootings] were characterized as disputes or grievances occurring more often outside the school buildings (United States Government Accountability Office [GAO], 2020). Suburban and rural, high-income, and low minority schools had more suicides and school-targeted shootings, which have the highest fatalities per incident and occur more often inside school buildings (GAO, 2020; NTAC, 2019)."

Unless I missed it the report did not say what lower income/minority profile actually is defined. Or more particularly what is the definition of minority profile?

 

[Jarhyn]

Yeah, the people shooting up schools are the romantically inept children of conservative white families, for the most part, trained in blaming others for their failures.

Do you have a link or citation to support your claim that is children of conservative white families that shoot up schools?
The Uvalde school shooting was done by someone of Hispanic origin IIRC.

https://www.jpedhc.org/article/S0891-5245(21)00290-X/fulltext

INTRODUCTION​

School shootings are events that can shatter an entire community and leave generations of students and adults devastated. A school shooting is the discharge of a firearm or gun inside a school building or on-campus grounds (National Threat Assessment Center [NTAC], 2019). From 2013 to 2019, there have been 421 recorded incidents of gunfire on school grounds (Everytown, 2019), and from 2015 to 2018, the United States averaged a school shooting every 77 days (Melgar, 2019). Using one or more firearms at an educational institution, such as a primary school, secondary school, or university, is considered a traumatic event. Identification of and screening for factors that provide insight into the risk for violence at a school must be addressed when discussing school shooting prevention.

CHARACTERISTICS​

There is no definite profile of an at-risk school as school characteristics have varied by socioeconomic level and racial composition. Schools involved in shootings have varied in size, location, and student-teacher ratios (NTAC, 2019). The literature suggests that urban, low-income, and high minority schools had more shootings overall. These were characterized as disputes or grievances occurring more often outside the school buildings (United States Government Accountability Office [GAO], 2020). Suburban and rural, high-income, and low minority schools had more suicides and school-targeted shootings, which have the highest fatalities per incident and occur more often inside school buildings (GAO, 2020; NTAC, 2019). Analyses report that half of the shooters were students or former students; the remainder had no relationship to the school, or their relationship was unknown (GAO, 2020). When identified as an accidental shooting, a suicide, or school-targeted shooting, the shooter was more often a student or former student (Clark, Raphael, & McGuire, 2018; GAO, 2020).

Most school shooters have experienced being bullied by their classmates for weeks, months, or years (Clark et al., 2018; NTAC, 2019). Bullying, defined by aggressive behavior (i.e., behavior that is intentional and mean) that repeatedly occurs over time, is a prevalent form of youth violence, particularly in school settings (Children's Hospital of Philadelphia [CHOP], 2020). Occurring within the context of a power imbalance often takes various forms, which include physical (e.g., hitting), verbal (e.g., name-calling), relational (e.g., social isolation), or online (cyber) bullying. Bullying victimization is also associated with ACEs and is considered a harmful social determinant of health and well-being, with lifelong consequences (Ahmadi, Pynoos, Olango, & Molla, 2016; Pontes & Pontes, 2021). Evidence suggests that victims of bullying are more likely to engage in risky behavior and report psychological issues, including using illicit drugs, having depression and suicidal thoughts, and acting in violent ways (CHOP, 2020; Hertz, Everett Jones, Barrios, David-Ferdon, & Holt, 2015; Klomek et al., 2013).
Most school shooters have reports of psychological, behavioral, or developmental warning signs such as depressive symptoms, suicidal ideation, or defiance/misconduct behaviors (Bonanno & Levenson, 2014; NTAC, 2019). Motives for the shooting typically involved one or more grievances with classmates, their own families or school staff, a change in romantic relationship status, disciplinary action(s), or other personal issues including a desire to kill, suicide, and seeking fame or notoriety (Bonanno & Levenson, 2014; GAO, 2020; NTAC, 2019; Pontes & Pontes, 2021). Shooters often had a history of school disciplinary actions (being suspended, expelled, or failing grades), and many had prior contact with law enforcement because of their behavior at school (GAO, 2020; NTAC, 2019). Half of the male school shooters had interests in violent topics, and for many, their social media accounts were often used as an outlet for self-expression and threats of violence (NTAC, 2019).

So it looks like Jarhyn was wrong. Sorry, J.

Specifically this part:

"These [lower income/minority profile shootings] were characterized as disputes or grievances occurring more often outside the school buildings (United States Government Accountability Office [GAO], 2020). Suburban and rural, high-income, and low minority schools had more suicides and school-targeted shootings, which have the highest fatalities per incident and occur more often inside school buildings (GAO, 2020; NTAC, 2019)."

Unless I missed it the report did not say what lower income/minority profile actually is defined. Or more particularly what is the definition of minority profile?

It's not in the quote. Have you tried reading the source?

What is important here is the significant difference between the profile of someone who has a narrowly scoped beef against a couple people, and folks who put together one-sided murder/suicide pacts with the universe.

The data is right there, and it seems you are looking belligerently away from it.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Specifically this part:

"These [lower income/minority profile shootings] were characterized as disputes or grievances occurring more often outside the school buildings (United States Government Accountability Office [GAO], 2020). Suburban and rural, high-income, and low minority schools had more suicides and school-targeted shootings, which have the highest fatalities per incident and occur more often inside school buildings (GAO, 2020; NTAC, 2019)."

Unless I missed it the report did not say what lower income/minority profile actually is defined. Or more particularly what is the definition of minority profile?

It also didn't define meatloaf.

 

[thebeave]

Specifically this part:

"These [lower income/minority profile shootings] were characterized as disputes or grievances occurring more often outside the school buildings (United States Government Accountability Office [GAO], 2020). Suburban and rural, high-income, and low minority schools had more suicides and school-targeted shootings, which have the highest fatalities per incident and occur more often inside school buildings (GAO, 2020; NTAC, 2019)."

Unless I missed it the report did not say what lower income/minority profile actually is defined. Or more particularly what is the definition of minority profile?

It also didn't define meatloaf.

Do Asians count as minorities, or not? I keep forgetting.

 

[Jarhyn]

Does it fucking matter what is considered a "minority" when the phenomena actually driving any difference, strictly independent of race, is already exposed (the dissonance between parental encouragement of entitlement and affluenza despite peers who bully them and invalidate that promise of exceptionalism)?

Its a pretty simple phenomena: someone promises the world to their 'special' kid; kid's expectations of exceptional treatment is violated; they can either reject their exceptionalism or reject the world that ignores them; they choose to reject the world rather than rejecting that they are exceptional.

It MIGHT happen with asians, but I don't see it happening much with kids who are messaged all their life that they are not, cannot become, and never will be 'exceptional'.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Specifically this part:

"These [lower income/minority profile shootings] were characterized as disputes or grievances occurring more often outside the school buildings (United States Government Accountability Office [GAO], 2020). Suburban and rural, high-income, and low minority schools had more suicides and school-targeted shootings, which have the highest fatalities per incident and occur more often inside school buildings (GAO, 2020; NTAC, 2019)."

Unless I missed it the report did not say what lower income/minority profile actually is defined. Or more particularly what is the definition of minority profile?

It also didn't define meatloaf.

Do Asians count as minorities, or not? I keep forgetting.

Why do I have Carol King going through my head at the moment?

Irregardless, if that is a word or not, do we have Asian sub-populations in an area large enough where Asian students are the primary-minority majority in a school?

 

[thebeave]

Specifically this part:

"These [lower income/minority profile shootings] were characterized as disputes or grievances occurring more often outside the school buildings (United States Government Accountability Office [GAO], 2020). Suburban and rural, high-income, and low minority schools had more suicides and school-targeted shootings, which have the highest fatalities per incident and occur more often inside school buildings (GAO, 2020; NTAC, 2019)."

Unless I missed it the report did not say what lower income/minority profile actually is defined. Or more particularly what is the definition of minority profile?

It also didn't define meatloaf.

Do Asians count as minorities, or not? I keep forgetting.

Why do I have Carol King going through my head at the moment?

Irregardless, if that is a word or not, do we have Asian sub-populations in an area large enough where Asian students are the primary-minority majority in a school?

Sure. There's one just around the corner from where I live:

Students at Cupertino Union

The student body at the schools served by Cupertino Union is 12.4% white, 0.7% Black, 71.3% Asian or Asian/Pacific Islander, 6.6% Hispanic/Latino, 0.4% American Indian or Alaska Native, and 0.1% Native Hawaiian or other Pacific Islander. In addition, 8.5% of students are two or more races, and 0% have not specified their race or ethnicity.

Another one:

Students at Fremont Unified School District

The student body at the schools served by Fremont Unified School District is 8% white, 1.9% Black, 69.5% Asian or Asian/Pacific Islander, 15.6% Hispanic/Latino, 0.3% American Indian or Alaska Native, and 0.5% Native Hawaiian or other Pacific Islander. In addition, 4.1% of students are two or more races, and 0% have not specified their race or ethnicity.

 

[Jarhyn]

the dissonance between parental encouragement of entitlement and affluenza despite peers who bully them and invalidate that promise of exceptionalism

I will reiterate that this is the proposed mechanism of school shooters, and expectations and assurances of exceptionality and affluence are not unique to white people, either. It just tends to concentrate with white people in the US because of exceptionalism messaging.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

And MAGA scores:

Family of Anaconda shooting suspect shares his mental health struggles

The niece of Anaconda bar shooting suspect Mike Brown shares insights about his mental health struggles, expressing heartbreak over the tragedy and a lack of support.

www.kbzk.com

While we obviously don't know the exact trigger it sure looks like this was triggered by the gutting of government services.

 

[Tigers!]

Specifically this part:

"These [lower income/minority profile shootings] were characterized as disputes or grievances occurring more often outside the school buildings (United States Government Accountability Office [GAO], 2020). Suburban and rural, high-income, and low minority schools had more suicides and school-targeted shootings, which have the highest fatalities per incident and occur more often inside school buildings (GAO, 2020; NTAC, 2019)."

Unless I missed it the report did not say what lower income/minority profile actually is defined. Or more particularly what is the definition of minority profile?

It also didn't define meatloaf.

Is that Meatloaf, the late singer, or meatloaf the meal?
Regardless I do not understand the allusion.

 

[Jarhyn]

Specifically this part:

"These [lower income/minority profile shootings] were characterized as disputes or grievances occurring more often outside the school buildings (United States Government Accountability Office [GAO], 2020). Suburban and rural, high-income, and low minority schools had more suicides and school-targeted shootings, which have the highest fatalities per incident and occur more often inside school buildings (GAO, 2020; NTAC, 2019)."

Unless I missed it the report did not say what lower income/minority profile actually is defined. Or more particularly what is the definition of minority profile?

It also didn't define meatloaf.

Is that Meatloaf, the late singer, or meatloaf the meal?
Regardless I do not understand the allusion.

That your comment was a red herring.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Specifically this part:

"These [lower income/minority profile shootings] were characterized as disputes or grievances occurring more often outside the school buildings (United States Government Accountability Office [GAO], 2020). Suburban and rural, high-income, and low minority schools had more suicides and school-targeted shootings, which have the highest fatalities per incident and occur more often inside school buildings (GAO, 2020; NTAC, 2019)."

Unless I missed it the report did not say what lower income/minority profile actually is defined. Or more particularly what is the definition of minority profile?

It also didn't define meatloaf.

Do Asians count as minorities, or not? I keep forgetting.

Why do I have Carol King going through my head at the moment?

Irregardless, if that is a word or not, do we have Asian sub-populations in an area large enough where Asian students are the primary-minority majority in a school?

Sure. There's one just around the corner from where I live:

Students at Cupertino Union

The student body at the schools served by Cupertino Union is 12.4% white, 0.7% Black, 71.3% Asian or Asian/Pacific Islander, 6.6% Hispanic/Latino, 0.4% American Indian or Alaska Native, and 0.1% Native Hawaiian or other Pacific Islander. In addition, 8.5% of students are two or more races, and 0% have not specified their race or ethnicity.

Another one:

Students at Fremont Unified School District

The student body at the schools served by Fremont Unified School District is 8% white, 1.9% Black, 69.5% Asian or Asian/Pacific Islander, 15.6% Hispanic/Latino, 0.3% American Indian or Alaska Native, and 0.5% Native Hawaiian or other Pacific Islander. In addition, 4.1% of students are two or more races, and 0% have not specified their race or ethnicity.

Well there you go. What are the shooting statistics for these districts?

 

[thebeave]

Specifically this part:

"These [lower income/minority profile shootings] were characterized as disputes or grievances occurring more often outside the school buildings (United States Government Accountability Office [GAO], 2020). Suburban and rural, high-income, and low minority schools had more suicides and school-targeted shootings, which have the highest fatalities per incident and occur more often inside school buildings (GAO, 2020; NTAC, 2019)."

Unless I missed it the report did not say what lower income/minority profile actually is defined. Or more particularly what is the definition of minority profile?

It also didn't define meatloaf.

Do Asians count as minorities, or not? I keep forgetting.

Why do I have Carol King going through my head at the moment?

Irregardless, if that is a word or not, do we have Asian sub-populations in an area large enough where Asian students are the primary-minority majority in a school?

Sure. There's one just around the corner from where I live:

Students at Cupertino Union

The student body at the schools served by Cupertino Union is 12.4% white, 0.7% Black, 71.3% Asian or Asian/Pacific Islander, 6.6% Hispanic/Latino, 0.4% American Indian or Alaska Native, and 0.1% Native Hawaiian or other Pacific Islander. In addition, 8.5% of students are two or more races, and 0% have not specified their race or ethnicity.

Another one:

Students at Fremont Unified School District

The student body at the schools served by Fremont Unified School District is 8% white, 1.9% Black, 69.5% Asian or Asian/Pacific Islander, 15.6% Hispanic/Latino, 0.3% American Indian or Alaska Native, and 0.5% Native Hawaiian or other Pacific Islander. In addition, 4.1% of students are two or more races, and 0% have not specified their race or ethnicity.

Well there you go. What are the shooting statistics for these districts?

I can't recall any school mass shootings at all in any school district in my 40 years living in the Silicon Valley area, and this is a highly diverse (in particular ethnicity and income) area of the country. Perhaps a handful of random single death/injury shootings, but I don't recall specifics. So, no data here one way or another. I guess we're an outlier.

There was a period a few years ago or so where a number of high school kids in affluent areas took their own lives, but most did that by standing in front of a local commuter train, not with guns. The prevailing reason for that, IIRC, was stress and anxiety due to high academic expectations from parents and peers and some copycat behavior.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Specifically this part:

"These [lower income/minority profile shootings] were characterized as disputes or grievances occurring more often outside the school buildings (United States Government Accountability Office [GAO], 2020). Suburban and rural, high-income, and low minority schools had more suicides and school-targeted shootings, which have the highest fatalities per incident and occur more often inside school buildings (GAO, 2020; NTAC, 2019)."

Unless I missed it the report did not say what lower income/minority profile actually is defined. Or more particularly what is the definition of minority profile?

It also didn't define meatloaf.

Do Asians count as minorities, or not? I keep forgetting.

Why do I have Carol King going through my head at the moment?

Irregardless, if that is a word or not, do we have Asian sub-populations in an area large enough where Asian students are the primary-minority majority in a school?

Sure. There's one just around the corner from where I live:

Students at Cupertino Union

The student body at the schools served by Cupertino Union is 12.4% white, 0.7% Black, 71.3% Asian or Asian/Pacific Islander, 6.6% Hispanic/Latino, 0.4% American Indian or Alaska Native, and 0.1% Native Hawaiian or other Pacific Islander. In addition, 8.5% of students are two or more races, and 0% have not specified their race or ethnicity.

Another one:

Students at Fremont Unified School District

The student body at the schools served by Fremont Unified School District is 8% white, 1.9% Black, 69.5% Asian or Asian/Pacific Islander, 15.6% Hispanic/Latino, 0.3% American Indian or Alaska Native, and 0.5% Native Hawaiian or other Pacific Islander. In addition, 4.1% of students are two or more races, and 0% have not specified their race or ethnicity.

Well there you go. What are the shooting statistics for these districts?

I can't recall any school mass shootings at all in any school district in my 40 years living in the Silicon Valley area, and this is a highly diverse (in particular ethnicity and income) area of the country. Perhaps a handful of random single death/injury shootings, but I don't recall specifics. So, no data here one way or another. I guess we're an outlier.

In one way an outlier, in another, not so much? High minority not having a statistically higher number of shootings in school than low minority schools would be in kind with other high minority schools, not an outlier. The violence outside, probably lower than the average noted for a high-minority school, outlier.