Another Fucking Mass Shooting At US School

[Elixir]

Why do you think school shootings significant only if the perp is not a white US citizen?

The rarity? The sources I checked said black school shooters are actually under-represented, being only about 10% of all mass shooters in schools.
But you KNOW they’re really really scary for racist white people. Apparently the Derecs of the world only hope that if their kids are killed in a school shooting, at least they got killed by a proper white person.

 

[blastula]

Five people were shot, but luckily nobody is dead (at least not as of now).

One of the shooters, one Camron Harris, 19, was apprehended. He is apparently not a student.

Suspect in Virginia State University shooting is arrested after police find him hiding in a closet

IOW, racist flaunts their racism.

 

[GenesisNemesis]

Is anyone confused about the ethnicity of the shooter derec felt the need to start a discussion about?

That was pretty clear when one of the usual suspects did not start a thread already.

The real question is: why does the Ilk consider school shootings significant only if the perp is white?

Yup, we were never, ever talking about the Uvalde shooting because the suspect wasn't white. Obviously, everyone knows that.

 

[Elixir]

Is anyone confused about the ethnicity of the shooter derec felt the need to start a discussion about?

That was pretty clear when one of the usual suspects did not start a thread already.

The real question is: why does the Ilk consider school shootings significant only if the perp is white?

Yup, we were never, ever talking about the Uvalde shooting because the suspect wasn't white. Obviously, everyone knows that.

Apparently Derek noticed us not talking about that. I wonder why he didn’t bring it up himself, egalitarian that he is pretends to be.

 

[thebeave]

Why do you think school shootings significant only if the perp is not a white US citizen?

The rarity? The sources I checked said black school shooters are actually under-represented, being only about 10% of all mass shooters in schools.
But you KNOW they’re really really scary for racist white people. Apparently the Derecs of the world only hope that if their kids are killed in a school shooting, at least they got killed by a proper white person.

Actually, black men are about 6-7% of the population, so they are slightly overrepresented at 10%.

 

[Elixir]

Actually, black men are about 6-7% of the population, so they are slightly overrepresented at 10%.

Your math is bad. 12-13% of all American males are black. Less than 2% of mass shooters are women. So even if black women are over-represented (couldn’t find that stat), blacks are UNDER represented in the mass shooter profession.

Moving on to body counts … maybe you can find some dirt there? Perhaps the rare black shooter kills a lot more people on average than the white shooter?

Anyhow … who thinks Derec would be LESS upset if his kid was killed by a black woman than a properly virile white male?
I think Derec is a bit overwrought about the possibility that his kid will be shot by a black person. If his kid gets shot to death, the overwhelming probability is that it will be by a white person, so it’s okay.

 

[thebeave]

Actually, black men are about 6-7% of the population, so they are slightly overrepresented at 10%.

Your math is bad. 12-13% of all American males are black. Less than 2% of mass shooters are women. So even if black women are over-represented (couldn’t find that stat), blacks are UNDER represented in the mass shooter profession.

Moving on to body counts … maybe you can find some dirt there? Perhaps the rare black shooter kills a lot more people on average than the white shooter?

Anyhow … who thinks Derec would be LESS upset if his kid was killed by a black woman than a properly virile white male?
I think Derec is a bit overwrought about the possibility that his kid will be shot by a black person. If his kid gets shot to death, the overwhelming probability is that it will be by a white person, so it’s okay.

Per the NAACP:

WHEREAS, African American males make up approximately 6.4% of the U.S. population

For all practical purposes, women (of all races) are largely a de minimus portion of the mass shooter population, so that's why I stuck to males. That's not to say that black women can't be violent too, but its usually limited to mass brawls at the Waffle House with a lot wrestling, hair/wig pulling and shouts of "Get off me, you ho!!"

As I recall, the majority of mass shooters ARE white men, but black men dominate in gang shootings, etc which often do not meet the criteria of a "mass shooter", but are far more common. On a per capita basis, black men are far more likely to engage in gun related violence than white men, per FBI stats.

 

[Elixir]

African American males make up approximately 6.4% of the U.S. population

Yes, that’s what I said. Blacks are 12-13% of the population. And “only” 10% of mass shooters. You are trying to compare black males to the entire population of both all sexes to attain the disproportion you desire.

black men dominate in gang shootings

Assuming that’s true, they’re even LESS of a threat to Derec’s kid, unless (s)he is hanging out with gang bangers. It would imply that even fewer are involved in mall shootings, church shootings school shootings and other shootings where non- gangsters are the probable victims.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

For all practical purposes, women (of all races) are largely a de minimus portion of the mass shooter population, so that's why I stuck to males. That's not to say that black women can't be violent too, but its usually limited to mass brawls at the Waffle House with a lot wrestling, hair/wig pulling and shouts of "Get off me, you ho!!"

As I recall, the majority of mass shooters ARE white men, but black men dominate in gang shootings, etc which often do not meet the criteria of a "mass shooter", but are far more common. On a per capita basis, black men are far more likely to engage in gun related violence than white men, per FBI stats.

 

[laughing dog]

Given the relatively small number of annual mass shootings and the effects of arithmetic, a small difference in percentages means very little.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

African American males make up approximately 6.4% of the U.S. population

Yes, that’s what I said. Blacks are 12-13% of the population. And “only” 10% of mass shooters. You are trying to compare black males to the entire population of both all sexes to attain the disproportion you desire.

Nitpicking aside, thebeave is right when looking at black males relative to black male shootings.

 

[thebeave]

Yes, that’s what I said. Blacks are 12-13% of the population.

No, you didn't. Re-read your post #3146. You said, "12-13% of all American males are black."

 

[Playball40]

I'm still not sure I would consider this a "school shooting". The school had nothing to do with it. Students weren't specifically targeted or present (school was not in session). It happened on a school campus, so if that makes it a school shooting then I withdraw my comment.

 

[Elixir]

Yes, that’s what I said. Blacks are 12-13% of the population.

No, you didn't. Re-read your post #3146. You said, "12-13% of all American males are black.”

12-13% of all American males are black

AI


What’s the problem, Beave?
I don’t have time and inclination to know if “black shooter” stats require purebred black people to qualify, but I very strongly doubt it.
The point is that they under-represented in the mass shooter community, and even more so in the non-gangster mass shooter community.

 

[thebeave]

Yes, that’s what I said. Blacks are 12-13% of the population.

No, you didn't. Re-read your post #3146. You said, "12-13% of all American males are black.”

12-13% of all American males are black

AI
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What’s the problem, Beave?
I don’t have time and inclination to know if “black shooter” stats require purebred black people to qualify, but I very strongly doubt it.
The point is that they under-represented in the mass shooter community, and even more so in the non-gangster mass shooter community.

I can't make sense of that. What is the context? The problem may be that you are apparently using AI to get your answers.

 

[Elixir]

12-13% of all American males are black

Yes, that’s what I said. Blacks are 12-13% of the population.

No, you didn't. Re-read your post #3146. You said, "12-13% of all American males are black.”

12-13% of all American males are black

AI
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What’s the problem, Beave?
I don’t have time and inclination to know if “black shooter” stats require purebred black people to qualify, but I very strongly doubt it.
The point is that they under-represented in the mass shooter community, and even more so in the non-gangster mass shooter community.

I can't make sense of that. What is the context? The problem may be that you are apparently using AI to get your answers.

I got the single (12%) number from AI. It listed its source, which I forget but it agrees with yours … (And AI mentioned the question of who qualifies as black, which need not be answered for my statement to be true.)
It’s not complicated, Beave. Blacks are a lower percentage of mass shooters than of the population. Period. That’s regardless of adjustments for gender or whether “blacks” includes mixed race individuals, as most white bigots like to do. And even more so if one excludes gang shootings.

 

[Tigers!]

It’s not complicated, Beave. Blacks are a lower percentage of mass shooters than of the population. Period. That’s regardless of adjustments for gender or whether “blacks” includes mixed race individuals, as most white bigots like to do. And even more so if one excludes gang shootings.

Why would you exclude gang shootings?
If the criteria is number of victims (which is what I assume the word mass means) then being gang related or not is irrelevant to the count.
Counting mass shootings means counting all mass shootings.

 

[bilby]

It’s not complicated, Beave. Blacks are a lower percentage of mass shooters than of the population. Period. That’s regardless of adjustments for gender or whether “blacks” includes mixed race individuals, as most white bigots like to do. And even more so if one excludes gang shootings.

Why would you exclude gang shootings?

Perhaps because the thread is about mass shootings at schools?

If the criteria is number of victims (which is what I assume the word mass means) then being gang related or not is irrelevant to the count.

Unless those shootings occur at a school, they are not "Another Mass Shooting At [a] US School", which is the title of the thread.

Counting mass shootings means counting all mass shootings.

The thread isn't entitled "Another Mass Shooting". If it were, then you would be right. But it's not, so you're not.

 

[Elixir]

Why would you exclude gang shootings?

I wouldn’t.
The Beave brought up some stat about black gangs being responsible for lots of murders and I merely observed that if true, and you’re not a gangster, it would further lower the threat level of black people murdering you.
I’m perfectly happy to include the black gangsters, @Tigers! I’m no bigot.
But the stat remains: in the Great Country of America, a black person is less likely to murder you on average, than is any random person.
Not that you’d necessarily notice, especially if you’ve only been murdered once or twice.

 

[Elixir]

African American males make up approximately 6.4% of the U.S. population

Yes, that’s what I said. Blacks are 12-13% of the population. And “only” 10% of mass shooters. You are trying to compare black males to the entire population of both all sexes to attain the disproportion you desire.

Nitpicking aside, thebeave is right when looking at black males relative to black male shootings.

I’m not sure what that even means. Looks to maybe be something to worry about if you’re a black male, but I’m not. 9 out of 10 black people agree. The tenth one is packing.

It’s obviously possible to draw a line around virtually any group of people who shoot guns and correlate or contrast their gun crimes with those of other groups… but fairly meaningless unless there are orders of magnitude difference. Even stats like body count per shooting committed by members of XYZ group being higher than for other groups, are hardly useful. Possibly a source of anger for some surviving family and friends of the deceased, and/or a source of pride for the marksman, such stats are not likely predictive of anything nor productive to dwell on for non participants.