Plants can survive several days without sunlight. One could wonder then what the issue would be, between the plants and the sun being created just a mere day apart?You mean... to see if they could deliberately recreate the ingredients and conditions which the bible refers to where God says..."let the earth bring forth".
You forgot the rest of the sentence... the alleged grass and fruit-bearing trees that were allegedly created before the sun was allegedly created.
Plants can survive several days without sunlight. One could wonder what the issue would be between the plants and the sun being created a day apart?You mean... to see if they could deliberately recreate the ingredients and conditions which the bible refers to where God says..."let the earth bring forth".
You forgot the rest of the sentence... the alleged grass and fruit-bearing trees that were allegedly created before the sun was allegedly created.
Language is necessary in any dialogue between individuals. Stating the obvious: individuals speaking the same language is key for mutual conversational understanding.Supposing things “by language” is not the best idea.
* nothing is better than heaven
* a ham sandwich is better than nothing
* “by language” a haM sandwich is better tha heaven
Yeah, the authors of Genisis clearly thought that daylight was a phenomenon independent of the sun.G
Plants can survive several days without sunlight. One could wonder what the issue would be between the plants and the sun being created a day apart?You mean... to see if they could deliberately recreate the ingredients and conditions which the bible refers to where God says..."let the earth bring forth".
You forgot the rest of the sentence... the alleged grass and fruit-bearing trees that were allegedly created before the sun was allegedly created.
Genesis 1:3 Let there be light.
Genesis 1:11 Let the earth bring forth vegetation.
Pretty sure 11 comes after 3 not before.
Pretty sure there's people growing certain plants without sun light.
Then 'God' is simply another aspect of nature?Natural then facilitates the ability for humans to purposely think in the mind, creating things for their personal interest. I suppose then by the language when God does it on a collosal scale, aptly then it's super duper natural.What Jarhyn said.
Creating it in the lab is natural.
Then humans are natural. Duh.
I don't go by your 'reduction' of God illustration: the"simply another aspect of nature..etc". That would be a no.Then 'God' is simply another aspect of nature?Natural then facilitates the ability for humans to purposely think in the mind, creating things for their personal interest. I suppose then by the language when God does it on a collosal scale, aptly then it's super duper natural.What Jarhyn said.
Creating it in the lab is natural.
Then humans are natural. Duh.
Plants can survive several days without sunlight. One could wonder then what the issue would be, between the plants and the sun being created just a mere day apart?You mean... to see if they could deliberately recreate the ingredients and conditions which the bible refers to where God says..."let the earth bring forth".
You forgot the rest of the sentence... the alleged grass and fruit-bearing trees that were allegedly created before the sun was allegedly created.
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Plants can survive several days without sunlight. One could wonder what the issue would be between the plants and the sun being created a day apart?You mean... to see if they could deliberately recreate the ingredients and conditions which the bible refers to where God says..."let the earth bring forth".
You forgot the rest of the sentence... the alleged grass and fruit-bearing trees that were allegedly created before the sun was allegedly created.
Genesis 1:3 Let there be light.
Genesis 1:11 Let the earth bring forth vegetation.
Pretty sure 11 comes after 3 not before.
Pretty sure there's people growing certain plants without sun light.
Some believers apply here the verse which says: one day is like a thousand days to God etc, but .. Genesis literally says days.Plants can survive several days without sunlight. One could wonder then what the issue would be, between the plants and the sun being created just a mere day apart?You mean... to see if they could deliberately recreate the ingredients and conditions which the bible refers to where God says..."let the earth bring forth".
You forgot the rest of the sentence... the alleged grass and fruit-bearing trees that were allegedly created before the sun was allegedly created.
Right....so a day was 24 hours before the sun existed.
Many believers are used to the charge.G
Plants can survive several days without sunlight. One could wonder what the issue would be between the plants and the sun being created a day apart?You mean... to see if they could deliberately recreate the ingredients and conditions which the bible refers to where God says..."let the earth bring forth".
You forgot the rest of the sentence... the alleged grass and fruit-bearing trees that were allegedly created before the sun was allegedly created.
Genesis 1:3 Let there be light.
Genesis 1:11 Let the earth bring forth vegetation.
Pretty sure 11 comes after 3 not before.
Pretty sure there's people growing certain plants without sun light.
You guys are ridiculous. The sun is older than the earth.
Some believers apply here the verse which says: one day is like a thousand days to God etc, but .. Genesis literally says days.Plants can survive several days without sunlight. One could wonder then what the issue would be, between the plants and the sun being created just a mere day apart?You mean... to see if they could deliberately recreate the ingredients and conditions which the bible refers to where God says..."let the earth bring forth".
You forgot the rest of the sentence... the alleged grass and fruit-bearing trees that were allegedly created before the sun was allegedly created.
Right....so a day was 24 hours before the sun existed.
Morning,evening,days and nights so yeah,to be consistent with the context of the theology... it would be quite a doddle for an Almighty God!
Many believers are used to the charge.G
Plants can survive several days without sunlight. One could wonder what the issue would be between the plants and the sun being created a day apart?You mean... to see if they could deliberately recreate the ingredients and conditions which the bible refers to where God says..."let the earth bring forth".
You forgot the rest of the sentence... the alleged grass and fruit-bearing trees that were allegedly created before the sun was allegedly created.
Genesis 1:3 Let there be light.
Genesis 1:11 Let the earth bring forth vegetation.
Pretty sure 11 comes after 3 not before.
Pretty sure there's people growing certain plants without sun light.
You guys are ridiculous. The sun is older than the earth.
The writers understood nature and it's cycles. Understanding various plants grow in various seasons. They understood that without the sun and rain, they wouldn't live or grow.
To convince (or convert) the reader by putting the plants before the sun in the 'creation sequence',while these verses still remain in scripture today throughout all of it's revisions - without anyone at all emitting or altering these apparently conflicting verses...is certainly not a good plan! (if we're to consider these to be made up stories of course)
With little effort why not go the 'whole hog' being deceitful with the luxury of "make believe"? Interestingly though, there seems to be some alternative reason for not making any "corrections" as I just mentioned, there doesn't seem to be any attempts to alter or emit these apparently "conflicting"verses, but instead it seems, they would prefer to be "counter productive" against the Biblical Cause,so to speak - which instead, sounds as if this was um..like a true thing or sumink.What on earth were these people thinking?
Anyway.. atheists have often argued that theists aren't consistent with their scripture knowledge or faith. To be consistent here - many believers view the Almighty God concept as being a God who can create 'in which ever order' he wishes because his creation would be made to function.
THERE ISN'T ANY.Natural Science forum. Where's the physical scientific evidence?
Since this is the Natural Science forum and not the Goddidit forum, perhaps you could supply some physical evidence for the sun being younger thanplants[the Earth]?
So God is an ancient space alien? Such as Olaf Stapleton's Star maker? Some have suggested it may someday be possible to create entire universes in a lab. I'm not certain how much control those who propose that idea think that the makers of those universes would have over their creations,Since this is the Natural Science forum and not the Goddidit forum, perhaps you could supply some physical evidence for the sun being younger thanplants[the Earth]?
Isn't this similar to the Abortion debate: "Does life begin at conception?"
The Sun thrives on hydrogen, virginal hydrogen left over from the Big Bang. Fresh virginal hydrogen, which perhaps never suffered under the alchemist's lust. And the Sun wasn't born until the hydrogen atoms began to fervently copulate in the nascent Sun's interior about 4.6 billion years ago.
The Earth, on the other hand, is mostly Iron created by stars late in their lives, stars that disappeared long before the Sun was even a glint in Hydrogen's eye. So, depending on your stance on the "Does life begin at conception?" question, it is the Earth that is older.
The Earth also contains elements heavier than Iron, e.g. Tin, Barium, Lead, and . . . Gold! Yes, that gold whose record-setting INTRINSIC value now exceeds $2000/oz. I'll leave the origin of these metals to the experts.
THERE ISN'T ANY.Natural Science forum. Where's the physical scientific evidence?
Why this hasn't been moved to the "Religious Bullshit" forum, I have no idea.
It obviously has nothing to do with science; it's pure lame apologetics. And there is no apology sufficient to excuse the dishonesty of creos pretending they are presenting science.
You guys are ridiculous. The sun is older than the earth.
...and before the Sun existed.You guys are ridiculous. The sun is older than the earth.
I just cited you the two verses - in the correct order - which show that there was light...a light source, before vegetation on earth.