Are we now in full blown fascist totalitarianism?

[Elixir]

For those deep in MAGA, Trump is their moral compass.

"Retribution" = gratuitous torment and terrorizing of the "usual" (off color) suspects, and anyone who is found associating with them.

 

[Elixir]

Imagine being so stupid you're not the least bit skeptical of the claims of the Trump administration.

Unfortunately I can't do it. Wish I could. But I can't shake the impression that most of them know this is all scumbaggery, treason, and massive looting of the American economy.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Are you fucking with me again or do you really not know this?

Asylum applicants can lose their asylum protection status if they break the law or are arrested and can then be removed/deported. It's an immigration/federal/DHS jurisdiction. That's just the way it works. In fact, I think Brandon was trying to speed it up too. Dunno what else to tell you.

I have it on good authority that TSwizzle was involved in the assassination of Lincoln. He should be deported at once.

 

[ZiprHead]

For fucks sake we even gave Nazi war criminals due process at the Nuremberg trials. And you are saying we can't even provide it to an asylum seeker with no criminal record before sending them off to a life of slavery in a foreign gulag?

You are obsessing about one sketchy case. But asylum seekers may be kicked out of the USA if they do break the law.

One case was not a law breaker. He was sent to El Salvadore simply because of his tattoo. His tattoo was interpreted as a gang symbol when actually it was the symbol of his favorite football team. He has no record of any criminal record at all.

Are you OK with that?

 

[TSwizzle]

For fucks sake we even gave Nazi war criminals due process at the Nuremberg trials. And you are saying we can't even provide it to an asylum seeker with no criminal record before sending them off to a life of slavery in a foreign gulag?

You are obsessing about one sketchy case. But asylum seekers may be kicked out of the USA if they do break the law.

One case was not a law breaker. He was sent to El Salvadore simply because of his tattoo. His tattoo was interpreted as a gang symbol when actually it was the symbol of his favorite football team. He has no record of any criminal record at all.

Are you OK with that?

Really? What team was it?

 

[Loren Pechtel]

It's really any tattoo.

"Look, that guy is Venezuelan and he has tattoos! He must be in a gang!"

OR worse it's an AI program deciding for them.

I suspect that's exactly what's going on, and AIs that didn't have enough negatives in their datasets. They were trained to look for X but with no regard for false positives.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

For fucks sake we even gave Nazi war criminals due process at the Nuremberg trials. And you are saying we can't even provide it to an asylum seeker with no criminal record before sending them off to a life of slavery in a foreign gulag?

You are obsessing about one sketchy case. But asylum seekers may be kicked out of the USA if they do break the law.

One case was not a law breaker. He was sent to El Salvadore simply because of his tattoo. His tattoo was interpreted as a gang symbol when actually it was the symbol of his favorite football team. He has no record of any criminal record at all.

Are you OK with that?

Really? What team was it?

You realize he is a foreigner? Football, not the handegg game we call football!

 

[Patooka]

Man, I'm looking forward to the day where TSwiz gets tapped on the shoulder by the scumbags he worships.

I'm sure the Germans have a word for that...

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

We know there were hundreds sent. N > 100. We have no information on how many are innocent or questionable, except that n >=8 appear to be innocent. There could be way more than 8 innocents but because there is lacking due process there's little info on who they all are and justifications for putting them away. That's the whole reason civil societies began due process in the first place!

 

[bilby]

But these are not normal circumstances

Bullshit. The only thing abnormal about these circumstances is the way the government is behaving - which is the very thing you are seeking to defend by saying "these are not normal circumstances".

People have always sought to enter the USA, and many have done so without the required documents. The "new" thing here is the propagandisation of this normality, in which a bunch of noisy arseholes clamour that it is an "invasion" and an "emergency". It is neither.

 

[bilby]

You are completely wrong.

I know I'm not.

Asylum seekers are guaranteed due process by the asylum law itself and the 5th Amendment to the US constitution. The asylum law spells out in great detail the process that is to be followed. Where the hell did you get that from?

You are wrong.

That's your idea of a citation??

WTF is wrong with you?

 

[Axulus]

The 4th amendment is next on the chopping block. Warrantless searches, coming soon to a home near you:

Administration Officials Believe Order Lets Immigration Agents Enter Homes Without Warrants

Trump administration lawyers have determined that an 18th-century wartime law the president has invoked to deport suspected members of a Venezuelan gang allows federal agents to enter homes without a warrant, according to people familiar with internal discussions.

The disclosure reflects the Trump administration’s aggressive view of presidential power, including setting aside a key provision of the Fourth Amendment that requires a court order to search someone’s home.

Administration Officials Believe Order Lets Immigration Agents Enter Homes Without Warrants

It remains unclear whether the Trump administration will apply the law in this way. But such an interpretation, experts say, would infringe on basic civil liberties.

www.nytimes.com

I remember when right wingers, although loving the idea of curtailing speech, denying due process, approving of warrantless searches and disappearing people to black sites, for those they didn't like, realized that it could be used against them if their guy wasn't in power, and therefore ultimately supported basic human rights. For some reason that has all gone away. Do they really think their guy/side will be able to hang on to power for the rest of their lives? Are they imagining we will now become a MAGA totalitarian dynasty similar to North Korea, and therefore they have nothing to worry about as long as they are alive?

 

[Spacetime Inhabitant]

Imagine being so stupid you're not the least bit skeptical of the claims of the Trump administration.

But these are not normal circumstances

Bullshit. The only thing abnormal about these circumstances is the way the government is behaving - which is the very thing you are seeking to defend by saying "these are not normal circumstances".

People have always sought to enter the USA, and many have done so without the required documents. The "new" thing here is the propagandisation of this normality, in which a bunch of noisy arseholes clamour that it is an "invasion" and an "emergency". It is neither.

Regarding the above two quotes, TSwizzle claims to be a libertarian, which means not trusting the government and wanting the government to engage in minimal action, yet by his support of the actions of the Trump administration, he shows that he does not support these basic libertarian principles.

 

[Jarhyn]

Imagine being so stupid you're not the least bit skeptical of the claims of the Trump administration.

But these are not normal circumstances

Bullshit. The only thing abnormal about these circumstances is the way the government is behaving - which is the very thing you are seeking to defend by saying "these are not normal circumstances".

People have always sought to enter the USA, and many have done so without the required documents. The "new" thing here is the propagandisation of this normality, in which a bunch of noisy arseholes clamour that it is an "invasion" and an "emergency". It is neither.

Regarding the above two quotes, TSwizzle claims to be a libertarian, which means not trusting the government and wanting the government to engage in minimal action, yet by his support of the actions of the Trump administration, he shows that he does not support these basic libertarian principles.

Really, it looks for all intents and purposes to me like what he wants is a king.

 

[ideologyhunter]

Yes, and wait until a Dem inherits this new monarchical Presidency, as carved out by Trump and Scotus. Then we'll have to hear all kinds of right wing bullshit about the tree of liberty needing to be watered by blood.

 

[KCFlyer]

Man, I'm looking forward to the day where TSwiz gets tapped on the shoulder by the scumbags he worships.

I'm sure the Germans have a word for that...

The ellipsis makes me think you already know...

 

[Axulus]

 

[Jarhyn]

Yes, and wait until a Dem inherits this new monarchical Presidency, as carved out by Trump and Scotus. Then we'll have to hear all kinds of right wing bullshit about the tree of liberty needing to be watered by blood.

I mean, the tree is looking QUITE thirsty right now...

 

[ZiprHead]

For fucks sake we even gave Nazi war criminals due process at the Nuremberg trials. And you are saying we can't even provide it to an asylum seeker with no criminal record before sending them off to a life of slavery in a foreign gulag?

You are obsessing about one sketchy case. But asylum seekers may be kicked out of the USA if they do break the law.

One case was not a law breaker. He was sent to El Salvadore simply because of his tattoo. His tattoo was interpreted as a gang symbol when actually it was the symbol of his favorite football team. He has no record of any criminal record at all.

Are you OK with that?

Really? What team was it?

What difference does that make???

 

[GenesisNemesis]

Trump suggests Tesla vandals be jailed in El Salvador

President Donald Trump suggested Friday that people who vandalize Tesla property -- the car brand owned by his billionaire ally Elon Musk -- could be deported to prisons in El Salvador.Attorney General Pam Bondi this week branded vandalism against property owned by Tesla as "domestic terrorism"...

uk.finance.yahoo.com

Huh. If only people weren't ridiculously stupid, and didn't blindly believe this administration's lies that only illegal immigrants will be deported. Of course the conservative psychopaths are just going to say they committed a crime so they can be treated as inhumanely as possible, without a second thought about the implications.