Are we now in full blown fascist totalitarianism?

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

In a Truth Social post on Wednesday, President Trump said Chicago Mayor Brandon Johnson and Illinois Gov. JB Pritzker "should be in jail."

"Chicago Mayor should be in jail for failing to protect Ice [U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement] Officers!" Mr. Trump posted. "Governor Pritzker also!"

Pritzker issued a statement on X in response to President Trump's post.

"I will not back down. Trump is now calling for the arrest of elected representatives checking his power. What else is left on the path to full-blown authoritarianism?" Pritzker wrote.

Pritzker continued in a thread of X posts: "His masked agents already are grabbing people off the street. Separating children from their parents. Creating fear. Taking people for 'how they look.' Making people feel they need to carry citizenship papers. Invading our state with military troops. Sending in war helicopters in the middle of the night. Arresting elected officials asking questions."

President Trump posts on Truth Social that Chicago Mayor Johnson, Gov. Pritzker "should be in jail"

"Chicago Mayor should be in jail for failing to protect Ice [U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement]" Officers!" President Trump posted. "Governor Pritzker also!"

www.cbsnews.com

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

Somervillian here legally stayed to talk with Ice and was taken anyway, state and local officials say (updated) - Cambridge Day

A federal agent is heard on video saying a man “fit exactly the description of the problem we’re here to address” before taking him away. A protest is planned for Saturday night at the hotel where agents are reportedly staying.

www.cambridgeday.com

 

[GenesisNemesis]

Hilarious.

ICE Barbie Says Antifa Is as Bad as ISIS in Deranged White House Event

Homeland Security Kristi Noem said this with a completely straight face.

www.yahoo.com

I'm sure the right wing nutters on this forum actually believe this though.

 

[crazyfingers]

Hilarious.

ICE Barbie Says Antifa Is as Bad as ISIS in Deranged White House Event

Homeland Security Kristi Noem said this with a completely straight face.

www.yahoo.com

I'm sure the right wing nutters on this forum actually believe this though.

The bat shit is strong with Kristi Noem.

 

[GenesisNemesis]

Hilarious.

ICE Barbie Says Antifa Is as Bad as ISIS in Deranged White House Event

Homeland Security Kristi Noem said this with a completely straight face.

www.yahoo.com

I'm sure the right wing nutters on this forum actually believe this though.

The bat shit is strong with Kristi Noem.

Mark my words, there'll be zero pushback against it from any of the right wingers on this forum. In fact they'll care more about her being referred to and "Ice Barbie" and whine about that.

 

[ideologyhunter]

Though your brother's bound and gagged
And they've chained him to a chair
Won't you please come to Chicago
Just to sing

In a land that's known as freedom
How can such a thing be fair
Won't you please come to Chicago
For the help that we can bring

We can change the world -- rearrange the world
It's dying -- to get better

Politicians, sit yourself down
There's nothing for you here
Won't you please come to Chicago
For a ride

We can change the world -- rearrange the world
It's dying -- if you believe in justice
It's dying -- and if you believe in freedom
It's dying -- let a man live his own life
It's dying -- rules and regulations, who needs them
Throw them out the door.

-Graham Nash (1971)

(He needs to add a new verse or two!)

 

[Politesse]

The problem with calling Trump a fascist is that it relatvises actual fascism. It's the "cry wolf" problem. It's the same thing with calling his policies racist. It relativises actual racism. Has he put in place any laws that limits people based on race? If not, then his policies aren't racist. He can be a racist while his policies aren't racist. To the rape accusation. He hasn't been convicted of rape. So calling him a rapist relativises rape.

The problem with all of this is that it will make us blind to being taken over by actual racist rapist fascist.

You don't need to like Trump to insist that we call him what he actually is, a lying orange clown

Huh?

How is he not a fascist? He's rapidly turning our government into fascism.

This is like calling someone who was rude to you once for a narcisist.

Fascism - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

It's just hyperbole. Yes, there's fascist traits. But he's right at the top of a slippery slope, that's not particularly slippery.

Not a racist? You realize some of his crowd have admitted they intend to purge the country of non-whites?

Where are the racist laws that he's passed?

Not a rapist? He's admitted to rape.

No, he hasn't. Don't relativise rape. It's a serious crime. Not cool.

Whereas sexual assault is not? What the fuck is your problem?

Answer the question: Do you think it is acceptable to sexually violate someone with your fingers or an object? And before this specific opportunity to defend the president came up, would you or would you not have considered it rape to do so?

 

[ZiprHead]

 

[Shadowy Man]

It was a bold move to just freeze as if his video call failed.

 

[GenesisNemesis]

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So are the right wingers going to say Miller needs to "tone down the rhetoric"? Oh right they'll just claim he's being taken "out of context".

 

[Swammerdami]

The problem with calling Trump a fascist is that it relatvises actual fascism. It's the "cry wolf" problem. It's the same thing with calling his policies racist. It relativises actual racism. Has he put in place any laws that limits people based on race? If not, then his policies aren't racist. He can be a racist while his policies aren't racist. To the rape accusation. He hasn't been convicted of rape. So calling him a rapist relativises rape.

The problem with all of this is that it will make us blind to being taken over by actual racist rapist fascist.

You don't need to like Trump to insist that we call him what he actually is, a lying orange clown

The ignorance you display is baffling. What do you use as news sources?


Racist

In 1973, the U.S. Department of Justice sued Donald Trump, his father Fred Trump, and their company, Trump Management, Inc., for allegedly discriminating against Black renters in New York
. Evidence gathered during the investigation showed that prospective Black renters were denied housing, while prospective white renters were offered apartments at the same buildings.
Key details from the lawsuit and settlement include:

Discrimination tactics: Employees at Trump buildings reportedly marked the rental applications of Black prospective tenants with a "C" for "colored" and instructed building staff to lie about apartment availability to Black applicants. A former rental agent for the Trump organization also stated that Donald Trump, in his father's presence, instructed him not to rent to Black individuals.
Government investigation: The Justice Department's case was based on evidence from housing rights "testers" who posed as renters to document discriminatory practices.
Settlement and denial of guilt: The Trumps fought the lawsuit for two years before reaching a settlement in 1975, which did not require them to admit guilt. The consent decree, however, included mandates for the Trumps to advertise apartment vacancies in minority publications, provide the New York Urban League with weekly vacancy lists, and familiarize themselves with the Fair Housing Act.
Further litigation: In 1978, the Justice Department again accused the Trump Organization of failing to comply with the terms of the settlement, and they were later included in another class-action discrimination lawsuit in 198s.

He also spread lies that Haitians in Ohio were "eating the cats and dogs."

Rapist
Many women have accused Trump of physical sexual harassment or rape. Trump has bragged of "grabbing pussy." Judge Lewis Kaplan ruled against Trump in Case 1:22-cv-10016-LAK. His legal opinion of Trump's misdeed couldn't be clearer than his comment that "As is obvious, the central issue in both Carroll I and Carroll II is exactly the same– whether Mr. Trump raped Ms. Carroll."

Fascist
Most sentient observers regard the actions of the present Trump Administration as obviously "fascist." But that word is rather ambiguous. Rather than wasting effort in pointless rejoindering, YOU offer a definition of "fascism" and explain why YOU think Trump's fascism doesn't qualify.


Your turn, Dr. Z.

 

[DrZoidberg]

The problem with calling Trump a fascist is that it relatvises actual fascism. It's the "cry wolf" problem. It's the same thing with calling his policies racist. It relativises actual racism. Has he put in place any laws that limits people based on race? If not, then his policies aren't racist. He can be a racist while his policies aren't racist. To the rape accusation. He hasn't been convicted of rape. So calling him a rapist relativises rape.

The problem with all of this is that it will make us blind to being taken over by actual racist rapist fascist.

You don't need to like Trump to insist that we call him what he actually is, a lying orange clown

The ignorance you display is baffling. What do you use as news sources?


Racist

In 1973, the U.S. Department of Justice sued Donald Trump, his father Fred Trump, and their company, Trump Management, Inc., for allegedly discriminating against Black renters in New York
. Evidence gathered during the investigation showed that prospective Black renters were denied housing, while prospective white renters were offered apartments at the same buildings.
Key details from the lawsuit and settlement include:

Discrimination tactics: Employees at Trump buildings reportedly marked the rental applications of Black prospective tenants with a "C" for "colored" and instructed building staff to lie about apartment availability to Black applicants. A former rental agent for the Trump organization also stated that Donald Trump, in his father's presence, instructed him not to rent to Black individuals.
Government investigation: The Justice Department's case was based on evidence from housing rights "testers" who posed as renters to document discriminatory practices.
Settlement and denial of guilt: The Trumps fought the lawsuit for two years before reaching a settlement in 1975, which did not require them to admit guilt. The consent decree, however, included mandates for the Trumps to advertise apartment vacancies in minority publications, provide the New York Urban League with weekly vacancy lists, and familiarize themselves with the Fair Housing Act.
Further litigation: In 1978, the Justice Department again accused the Trump Organization of failing to comply with the terms of the settlement, and they were later included in another class-action discrimination lawsuit in 198s.

He also spread lies that Haitians in Ohio were "eating the cats and dogs."

He's not passed any racist laws. Or tried to. So there's that.

The above is grasping at straws. He wasn't convicted.

Rapist
Many women have accused Trump of physical sexual harassment or rape. Trump has bragged of "grabbing pussy." Judge Lewis Kaplan ruled against Trump in Case 1:22-cv-10016-LAK. His legal opinion of Trump's misdeed couldn't be clearer than his comment that "As is obvious, the central issue in both Carroll I and Carroll II is exactly the same– whether Mr. Trump raped Ms. Carroll."

He's obviously an entitled and horrible person. That's not the same thing as being a rapist. Until he's convicted it's not cool to call him a rapist. It relativises rape.

Fascist
Most sentient observers regard the actions of the present Trump Administration as obviously "fascist." But that word is rather ambiguous. Rather than wasting effort in pointless rejoindering, YOU offer a definition of "fascism" and explain why YOU think Trump's fascism doesn't qualify.


Your turn, Dr. Z.

other people have done the work for me

Definitions of fascism - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

There's many factors. But the big one, which is missing in USA is a violent overtly anti-democratic mass movement. And after gaining power that mass movement is protected by the govornment and given special status, acting outside or above the law. It becomes a terror organisations terrorising anyone to speak up against the govornment.

The other one is freedom of speech. USA still has freedom of speech. One of the more tolerant ones. It's not even lose to threatened. It's not like democrat policians are routinely beaten and harrassed.


Calling him a fascist is absurd. He's not.

 

[DrZoidberg]

The problem with calling Trump a fascist is that it relatvises actual fascism. It's the "cry wolf" problem. It's the same thing with calling his policies racist. It relativises actual racism. Has he put in place any laws that limits people based on race? If not, then his policies aren't racist. He can be a racist while his policies aren't racist. To the rape accusation. He hasn't been convicted of rape. So calling him a rapist relativises rape.

The problem with all of this is that it will make us blind to being taken over by actual racist rapist fascist.

You don't need to like Trump to insist that we call him what he actually is, a lying orange clown

Huh?

How is he not a fascist? He's rapidly turning our government into fascism.

This is like calling someone who was rude to you once for a narcisist.

Fascism - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

It's just hyperbole. Yes, there's fascist traits. But he's right at the top of a slippery slope, that's not particularly slippery.

Not a racist? You realize some of his crowd have admitted they intend to purge the country of non-whites?

Where are the racist laws that he's passed?

Not a rapist? He's admitted to rape.

No, he hasn't. Don't relativise rape. It's a serious crime. Not cool.

Whereas sexual assault is not? What the fuck is your problem?

Answer the question: Do you think it is acceptable to sexually violate someone with your fingers or an object? And before this specific opportunity to defend the president came up, would you or would you not have considered it rape to do so?

Now you're changing the subject. He's a sexual predator. You'll have no argument from me on that. But calling him a rapist is hyperbole.

My problem is with the hyperbole. Everyone you don't like isn't Hitler. I don't like Trump either. But he's done plenty of actually questionable stuff. There's no need to exagerate or make stuff up.