At what margin of electoral defeat will Trump be forced to admit defeat?

[angelo]

This is good news.

I assume the military skews young, like, 25 and younger. I wonder how much that would explain it?

It would explain it to a T. Many polls, including the credible Pew polling have shown that the around 60% of under 40's look at socialism as desirable.

Sure, although, Trump ran to the left of the standard Republican platform, which isn't necessarily particularly left, since the Republican has morphed from a conservative party to a radical, almost anarcho-capitalist right-wing party since the 70's/80's.

Most modern Democrats would have basically been standard Republicans in the early and mid parts of the 20th century.

Are you aware that president Trump was once a Democrat financial donor? If Repubs have swung right, what have the modern day Dems swung to if not to the far left? The Democratic Party of Kennedy, Johnson at al, would never come up with a nation's economy destruction such as the green new deal, or the destruction of American jobs by taxing the life out corporations to fund a far left agenda.

 

[J842P]

Sure, although, Trump ran to the left of the standard Republican platform, which isn't necessarily particularly left, since the Republican has morphed from a conservative party to a radical, almost anarcho-capitalist right-wing party since the 70's/80's.

Most modern Democrats would have basically been standard Republicans in the early and mid parts of the 20th century.

Are you aware that president Trump was once a Democrat financial donor? If Repubs have swung right, what have the modern day Dems swung to if not to the far left? The Democratic Party of Kennedy, Johnson at al, would never come up with a nation's economy destruction such as the green new deal, or the destruction of American jobs by taxing the life out corporations to fund a far left agenda.

Yes, I'm aware that Trump was a democrat.

You have no idea what you are talking about, though, regarding modern-day Democrats. Taxes in general, except payroll taxes, have gone down since the early and mid 20th century. The economic policies you are calling "far left" are simply left, and they are in-line with the left in the early/mid 20th century. The Green New Deal is named after the New Deal. Which, by the way, was created by the most popular American President ever, Franklin Roosevelt.

Aside from the Green New Deal, the agenda you call "far left" is mostly things that every other developed nation has, like universal healthcare.

 

[angelo]

Sure, although, Trump ran to the left of the standard Republican platform, which isn't necessarily particularly left, since the Republican has morphed from a conservative party to a radical, almost anarcho-capitalist right-wing party since the 70's/80's.

Most modern Democrats would have basically been standard Republicans in the early and mid parts of the 20th century.

Are you aware that president Trump was once a Democrat financial donor? If Repubs have swung right, what have the modern day Dems swung to if not to the far left? The Democratic Party of Kennedy, Johnson at al, would never come up with a nation's economy destruction such as the green new deal, or the destruction of American jobs by taxing the life out corporations to fund a far left agenda.

Yes, I'm aware that Trump was a democrat.

You have no idea what you are talking about, though, regarding modern-day Democrats. Taxes in general, except payroll taxes, have gone down since the early and mid 20th century. The economic policies you are calling "far left" are simply left, and they are in-line with the left in the early/mid 20th century. The Green New Deal is named after the New Deal. Which, by the way, was created by the most popular American President ever, Franklin Roosevelt.

Aside from the Green New Deal, the agenda you call "far left" is mostly things that every other developed nation has, like universal healthcare.

Why didn't the Obongo administration bring in universal healthcare to the US during his 8 year term? I don't mean Obongocare, I mean real to goodness universal healthcare like we have in Australia, or Scandinavian countries. The Dems controlled both Congress and the senate for a considerable, ample amount of time, enough time to legislate and pass in to law.

 

[Patooka]

Why didn't the Obongo administration bring in universal healthcare to the US during his 8 year term? I don't mean Obongocare, I mean real to goodness universal healthcare like we have in Australia, or Scandinavian countries. The Dems controlled both Congress and the senate for a considerable, ample amount of time, enough time to legislate and pass in to law.

google tea party and election cycle, expert.

 

[ideologyhunter]

Also, as 'Q' has persuasively argued, the uber-plot of Deep Staters has always been to forestall universal health care until heart disease, stroke, hypertension, and Cialis ODs have sheared away at least 10% of the older Caucasian Republican base. (Dark spells from Satan should kill off another 5% or so.) Go ahead, Trump and party. Don't put any health care on the platform. Then try to win an election, smartass!

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Yes, I'm aware that Trump was a democrat.

You have no idea what you are talking about, though, regarding modern-day Democrats. Taxes in general, except payroll taxes, have gone down since the early and mid 20th century. The economic policies you are calling "far left" are simply left, and they are in-line with the left in the early/mid 20th century. The Green New Deal is named after the New Deal. Which, by the way, was created by the most popular American President ever, Franklin Roosevelt.

Aside from the Green New Deal, the agenda you call "far left" is mostly things that every other developed nation has, like universal healthcare.

Why didn't the Obongo administration bring in universal healthcare to the US during his 8 year term?

You mean other than he barely, and we mean literally bearly because ACA was dragged across the finish line using bears to frighten a couple of the last bluedog Democrats? UHC was never on the table! Lieberman (I) and Nelson (D) weren't going to support it and the Dems needed all 60 votes in the Senate to override the neverending story filibuster of the GOP. Passing it in the House? That wouldn't have happened either.

Seriously, you don't remember any of that? Maybe you need to get some of that Government provided health care to get a brain scan to deal with your memory loss.

 

[KeepTalking]

Sure, although, Trump ran to the left of the standard Republican platform, which isn't necessarily particularly left, since the Republican has morphed from a conservative party to a radical, almost anarcho-capitalist right-wing party since the 70's/80's.

Most modern Democrats would have basically been standard Republicans in the early and mid parts of the 20th century.

Are you aware that president Trump was once a Democrat financial donor? If Repubs have swung right, what have the modern day Dems swung to if not to the far left? The Democratic Party of Kennedy, Johnson at al, would never come up with a nation's economy destruction such as the green new deal, or the destruction of American jobs by taxing the life out corporations to fund a far left agenda.

You show very little awareness of the things you spout off about. You have already been schooled on most of the idiocy above, so I will just note that the corporate tax rate under Kennedy was 52%, under Johnson it was 48%, and currently is it 21%. Please add history of corporate tax rates in the US to the things you need to Google before acting like you know what you are talking about.

 

[J842P]

Yes, I'm aware that Trump was a democrat.

You have no idea what you are talking about, though, regarding modern-day Democrats. Taxes in general, except payroll taxes, have gone down since the early and mid 20th century. The economic policies you are calling "far left" are simply left, and they are in-line with the left in the early/mid 20th century. The Green New Deal is named after the New Deal. Which, by the way, was created by the most popular American President ever, Franklin Roosevelt.

Aside from the Green New Deal, the agenda you call "far left" is mostly things that every other developed nation has, like universal healthcare.

Why didn't the Obongo administration bring in universal healthcare to the US during his 8 year term? I don't mean Obongocare, I mean real to goodness universal healthcare like we have in Australia, or Scandinavian countries. The Dems controlled both Congress and the senate for a considerable, ample amount of time, enough time to legislate and pass in to law.

Because Obama is a moderate who governed pretty conservatively, and the Democrats are a center-right party? What point are you trying to make? Are you agreeing with my previous assessment?


ACA was a Republican plan, first implemented in Massachusetts by Mitt Romney, based off of a Heritage Foundation (extreme-right think-tank) plan.

 

[angelo]

Also, as 'Q' has persuasively argued, the uber-plot of Deep Staters has always been to forestall universal health care until heart disease, stroke, hypertension, and Cialis ODs have sheared away at least 10% of the older Caucasian Republican base. (Dark spells from Satan should kill off another 5% or so.) Go ahead, Trump and party. Don't put any health care on the platform. Then try to win an election, smartass!

The Trumpster, and so should most Americans, refuse to provide Free healthcare to illegal immigrants ahead of American citizens who pay the taxes!

 

[angelo]

Yes, I'm aware that Trump was a democrat.

You have no idea what you are talking about, though, regarding modern-day Democrats. Taxes in general, except payroll taxes, have gone down since the early and mid 20th century. The economic policies you are calling "far left" are simply left, and they are in-line with the left in the early/mid 20th century. The Green New Deal is named after the New Deal. Which, by the way, was created by the most popular American President ever, Franklin Roosevelt.

Aside from the Green New Deal, the agenda you call "far left" is mostly things that every other developed nation has, like universal healthcare.

Why didn't the Obongo administration bring in universal healthcare to the US during his 8 year term? I don't mean Obongocare, I mean real to goodness universal healthcare like we have in Australia, or Scandinavian countries. The Dems controlled both Congress and the senate for a considerable, ample amount of time, enough time to legislate and pass in to law.

Because Obama is a moderate who governed pretty conservatively, and the Democrats are a center-right party? What point are you trying to make? Are you agreeing with my previous assessment?


ACA was a Republican plan, first implemented in Massachusetts by Mitt Romney, based off of a Heritage Foundation (extreme-right think-tank) plan.

That doesn't answer my question and you know it!

 

[Patooka]

Because Obama is a moderate who governed pretty conservatively, and the Democrats are a center-right party? What point are you trying to make? Are you agreeing with my previous assessment?


ACA was a Republican plan, first implemented in Massachusetts by Mitt Romney, based off of a Heritage Foundation (extreme-right think-tank) plan.

That doesn't answer my question and you know it!

Okay, I'll bite. It's because you are wrong.

The Democrats didn't, "controlled both Congress and the senate for a considerable, ample amount of time", the Tea Party saw to that. Only a lying piece of shit would assert that. John Boehner was the original dishonest "Orange Man", That you are ignorant of who he was says a lot.

But you don't want to be educated, do you? You don't give a fuck about bad faith arguments if it lets you "win". Some people might call this a cuntish attitude.

 

[Elixir]

Some people might call this a cuntish attitude.

Did you misspell "cultish"?

 

[KeepTalking]

Also, as 'Q' has persuasively argued, the uber-plot of Deep Staters has always been to forestall universal health care until heart disease, stroke, hypertension, and Cialis ODs have sheared away at least 10% of the older Caucasian Republican base. (Dark spells from Satan should kill off another 5% or so.) Go ahead, Trump and party. Don't put any health care on the platform. Then try to win an election, smartass!

The Trumpster, and so should most Americans, refuse to provide Free healthcare to illegal immigrants ahead of American citizens who pay the taxes!

So that's why Trump refuses to put ANY health care plan on the table?

And isn't that the opposite position from your taking Obama to task for not instituting UHC? The thing about UNIVERSAL health care is that everyone gets it for free, even the people you don't like.

 

[Elixir]

Also, as 'Q' has persuasively argued, the uber-plot of Deep Staters has always been to forestall universal health care until heart disease, stroke, hypertension, and Cialis ODs have sheared away at least 10% of the older Caucasian Republican base. (Dark spells from Satan should kill off another 5% or so.) Go ahead, Trump and party. Don't put any health care on the platform. Then try to win an election, smartass!

The Trumpster, and so should most Americans, refuse to provide Free healthcare to illegal immigrants ahead of American citizens who pay the taxes!

So that's why Trump refuses to put ANY health care plan on the table?

And isn't that the opposite position from your taking Obama to task for not instituting UHC? The thing about UNIVERSAL health care is that everyone gets it for free, even the people you don't like.

Being a hypocrite isn't an issue for a dead red cult member.

 

[Patooka]

Some people might call this a cuntish attitude.

Did you misspell "cultish"?

Nope, the keyboards in Australia separate the letter "l" and "n". I meant every word I said.

I am extremely comfortable standing by every word I said as well. Very comfortable. Pillow and everything.

 

[fromderinside]

Some people might call this a cuntish attitude.

Did you misspell "cultish"?

Nope, the keyboards in Australia separate the letter "l" and "n". I meant every word I said.

I am extremely comfortable standing by every word I said as well. Very comfortable. Pillow and everything.

Well you're being dickish about it.

 

[Swammerdami]

The Dems controlled both Congress and the senate for a considerable, ample amount of time, enough time to legislate and pass in to law.

Wrong again. Please, dear angelo, explain to us where you get your "facts." You do seem to have some information, and if I were a bookie taking bets on the over/under of your IQ, I might go with 100 or even a little higher! Yet almost everything you write about American politics is completely wrong! Are you falsifying deliberately? If not, please tell us what your sources are.

Thanks in advance.

Why didn't the Obongo administration bring in universal healthcare to the US during his 8 year term?

You mean other than he barely, and we mean literally bearly because ACA was dragged across the finish line using bears to frighten a couple of the last bluedog Democrats? UHC was never on the table! Lieberman (I) and Nelson (D) weren't going to support it and the Dems needed all 60 votes in the Senate to override the neverending story filibuster of the GOP. Passing it in the House? That wouldn't have happened either.

Seriously, you don't remember any of that? Maybe you need to get some of that Government provided health care to get a brain scan to deal with your memory loss.

The difficulty of passing ACA was even worse than that. Even with the votes of Nelson and the despicable Senator from Insurancecticut who was allowed to caucus with the Democrats, for all but a few weeks, the D's never had more than 59 Senators during Obama's entire time in office.

This is because the Republicans refused to allow Al Franken to be seated for many months. Sure, Franken won by only a small margin but that's not a show-stopper. Did Bush decline to sit in the Oval Officew when he was ahead by a few votes? How about the Democrat from Virginia(?) who wasn't seated despite winning by one vote?

By the time Al Franken was seated, Ted Kennedy (the 60th vote) was essentially on his deathbed. The GOP refused the courtesy of "matching votes". I don't think Franken and Kennedy were ever active Senators together. October and November of 2009 were the only full months when the Ds had the power to override a GOP filibuster. And that's only with the support of the "DINO" Lieberman.

I thought those who feel entitled to post about American politics knew all this.
@ angelo - Do you need us to recommend some beginner's overviews of American politics?

 

[Elixir]

Wrong again. Please, dear angelo, explain to us where you get your "facts."

Forget it. Angelo won't even venture to say if Trump would EVER accept losing the election, even if Angelo's own illegal vote was the only one he got other than the one he casts for himself.

 

[ideologyhunter]

North Carolina gave Trump about 2.4 million votes in '16. If the state gave him, say, 4.8 million votes, it would indicate a sweeping manda--- just remembered.

 

[Jason Harvestdancer]

I have heard a prediction recently that I think has a possibility of happening.

On election night, Trump wins. One week later, after all the mail-in votes are counted, Biden wins.

Elixir isn't having all these public feargasms due to being actually afraid. He's having them in an effort to preemptively delegitmize the election.