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At what margin of electoral defeat will Trump be forced to admit defeat?

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Gospel;875324 [url said:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.insider.com/gorilla-glue-girl-tessica-brown-says-give-20000-to-charity-2021-2%3famp][/url]

If this was boxing and Meta my fighter I'd be throwing in the towel. In other words, I feel like there is a certain level of inappropriateness about this thread regardless of how well it seasoned my popcorn.

I agree about analogy to inappropriate boxing match. It's like instead people admitting they were wrong, they tried to bite Joe Biden's ear off. Figuratively. You should definitely throw in the towel. Who wants to eat popcorn while witnessing the horrific lack of appropriate points and twisted contortions of non sequiturs.

Right on. I feel appropriately sheepish about the inappropriateness.
I plead that I am a victim of ear biting.
 

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I have to say that you nailed (predicted) this one!

more like Elixir "canceled" Metaphor.

It's February and he's quoting a post from August, about something that happened in January. Meta was grotesquely wrong in August and Elixir was prophetically right, but one cannot assume Meta holds the same ridiculously and embarrassingly wrong views now as Meta held then. He is most likely just not interested in admitting to being wrong.
It's also possible he's in jail right now for Trespassing on Federal Property and simply unavailable to reply.

To be fair, it's kinda hard for Metaphor to have been involved as he's literally on the opposite side of the planet from DC... Then, that leads into begging the question of why he cares so goddamn much..

There are reasons why Australians give a shit. And it's pretty fucking easy to be in the know about US politics. Or any sort of politics nowadays.

Don2 (Don1 Revised) said:
Yeah, that's a good point. I didn't hear about any Quaustralians being involved.

Oh, they're involved. Google Avi Yemeni or Sydney Watson. And here's a clip of Metaphor's favourite news channel being exposed as bullshit in early December(I hope I got the timestamp right EDIT: I didn't it's around the 7:30 mark):

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_SAh3i3bC9E&t=450s[/youtube]

To put into context, Rowan Dean is a extreme right-wing whore who doubled down on the hydroxychloroquine bullshit and was Metaphor's "proof" that lots of people on Twitter believe Trump faked having Covid. He's a super terrific guy.
 
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To be fair, it's kinda hard for Metaphor to have been involved as he's literally on the opposite side of the planet from DC... Then, that leads into begging the question of why he cares so goddamn much..

There are reasons why Australians give a shit.

Yeah, that's a good point. I didn't hear about any Quaustralians being involved.

Oh, they're involved. Google Avi Yemeni or Sydney Watson. And here's a clip of Metaphor's favourite news channel being exposed as bullshit in early December(I hope I got the timestamp right):

[youtube]Yeah, that's a good point. I didn't hear about any Quaustralians being involved.[/youtube]

To put into context, Rowan Dean is a extreme right-wing whore who doubled down on the hydroxychloroquine bullshit and was Metaphor's "proof" that lots of people on Twitter believe Trump faked having Covid. He's a super terrific guy.

Whore is a strong word. Mule? Now that's more accurate and respectful to whores.
 

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Found this on FB - don't even knw who wrote it but it's a concise, if incomplete, compendium of Trump's greatest hits.

“I’ve been critical of the Trump presidency these last four years, and am still exhausted from the experience.

But to be fair, President Trump wasn’t that bad, other than when he incited an insurrection against the government, mismanaged a pandemic that killed nearly half a million Americans, separated children from their families, lost those children in the bureaucracy, tear-gassed peaceful protesters on Lafayette Square so he could hold a photo op holding a Bible in front of a church, tried to block all Muslims from entering the country, got impeached, got impeached again, had the worst jobs record of any president in modern history, pressured Ukraine to dig dirt on Joe Biden, fired the FBI director for investigating his ties to Russia, bragged about firing the FBI director on TV, took Vladimir Putin’s word over the US intelligence community, diverted military funding to build his wall, caused the longest government shutdown in US history, called Black Lives Matter a “symbol of hate,” lied nearly 30,000 times, banned transgender people from serving in the military, ejected reporters from the White House briefing room who asked tough questions, vetoed the defense funding bill because it renamed military bases named for Confederate soldiers, refused to release his tax returns, increased the national debt by nearly $8 trillion, had three of the highest annual trade deficits in U.S. history, called veterans and soldiers who died in combat losers and suckers, coddled the leader of Saudi Arabia after he ordered the execution and dismembering of a US-based journalist, refused to concede the 2020 election, hired his unqualified daughter and son-in-law to work in the White House, walked out of an interview with Lesley Stahl, called neo-Nazis “very fine people,” suggested that people should inject bleach into their bodies to fight COVID, abandoned our allies the Kurds to Turkey, pushed through massive tax cuts for the wealthiest but balked at helping working Americans, incited anti-lockdown protestors in several states at the height of the pandemic, withdrew the US from the Paris climate accords, withdrew the US from the Iranian nuclear deal, withdrew the US from the Trans Pacific Partnership which was designed to block China’s advances, insulted his own Cabinet members on Twitter, pushed the leader of Montenegro out of the way during a photo op, failed to reiterate US commitment to defending NATO allies, called Haiti and African nations “shithole” countries, called the city of Baltimore the “worst in the nation,” claimed that he single handedly brought back the phrase “Merry Christmas” even though it hadn’t gone anywhere, forced his Cabinet members to praise him publicly like some cult leader, believed he should be awarded the Nobel Peace Prize, berated and belittled his hand-picked Attorney General when he recused himself from the Russia probe, suggested the US should buy Greenland, colluded with Mitch McConnell to push through federal judges and two Supreme Court justices after supporting efforts to prevent his predecessor from appointing judges, repeatedly called the media “enemies of the people,” claimed that if we tested fewer people for COVID we’d have fewer cases, violated the emoluments clause, thought that Nambia was a country, told Bob Woodward in private that the coronavirus was a big deal but then downplayed it in public, called his exceedingly faithful vice president a “p---y” for following the Constitution, nearly got us into a war with Iran after threatening them by tweet, nominated a corrupt head of the EPA, nominated a corrupt head of HHS, nominated a corrupt head of the Interior Department, nominated a corrupt head of the USDA, praised dictators and authoritarians around the world while criticizing allies, refused to allow the presidential transition to begin, insulted war hero John McCain – even after his death, spent an obscene amount of time playing golf after criticizing Barack Obama for playing (far less) golf while president, falsely claimed that he won the 2016 popular vote, called the Muslim mayor of London a “stone cold loser,” falsely claimed that he turned down being Time’s Man of the Year, considered firing special counsel Robert Mueller on several occasions, mocked wearing face masks to guard against transmitting COVID, locked Congress out of its constitutional duty to confirm Cabinet officials by hiring acting ones, used a racist dog whistle by calling COVID the “China virus,” hired and associated with numerous shady figures that were eventually convicted of federal offenses including his campaign manager and national security adviser, pardoned several of his shady associates, gave the Presidential Medal of Freedom to two congressman who amplified his batshit crazy conspiracy theories, got into telephone fight with the leader of Australia(!), had a Secretary of State who called him a moron, forced his press secretary to claim without merit that his was the largest inauguration crowd in history, botched the COVID vaccine rollout, tweeted so much dangerous propaganda that Twitter eventually banned him, charged the Secret Service jacked-up rates at his properties, constantly interrupted Joe Biden in their first presidential debate, claimed that COVID would “magically” disappear, called a U.S. Senator “Pocahontas,” used his Twitter account to blast Nordstrom when it stopped selling Ivanka’s merchandise, opened up millions of pristine federal lands to development and drilling, got into a losing tariff war with China that forced US taxpayers to bail out farmers, claimed that his losing tariff war was a win for the US, ignored or didn’t even take part in daily intelligence briefings, blew off honoring American war dead in France because it was raining, redesigned Air Force One to look like the Trump Shuttle, got played by Kim Jung Un and his “love letters,” threatened to go after social media companies in clear violation of the Constitution, botched the response to Hurricane Maria in Puerto Rico, threw paper towels at Puerto Ricans when he finally visited them, pressured the governor and secretary of state of Georgia to “find” him votes, thought that the Virgin islands had a President, drew on a map with a Sharpie to justify his inaccurate tweet that Alabama was threatened by a hurricane, allowed White House staff to use personal email accounts for official businesses after blasting Hillary Clinton for doing the same thing, rolled back regulations that protected the public from mercury and asbestos, pushed regulators to waste time studying snake-oil remedies for COVID, rolled back regulations that stopped coal companies from dumping waste into rivers, held blatant campaign rallies at the White House, tried to take away millions of Americans’ health insurance because the law was named for a Black man, refused to attend his successors’ inauguration, nominated the worst Education Secretary in history, threatened judges who didn’t do what he wanted, attacked Dr. Anthony Fauci, promised that Mexico would pay for the wall (it didn’t), allowed political hacks to overrule government scientists on major reports on climate change and other issues, struggled navigating a ramp after claiming his opponent was feeble, called an African-American Congresswoman “low IQ,” threatened to withhold federal aid from states and cities with Democratic leaders, went ahead with rallies filled with maskless supporters in the middle of a pandemic, claimed that legitimate investigations of his wrongdoing were “witch hunts,” seemed to demonstrate a belief that there were airports during the American Revolution, demanded “total loyalty” from the FBI director, praised a conspiracy theory that Democrats are Satanic pedophiles, completely gutted the Voice of America, placed a political hack in charge of the Postal Service, claimed without evidence that the Obama administration bugged Trump Tower, suggested that the US should allow more people from places like Norway into the country, suggested that COVID wasn’t that bad because he recovered with the help of top government doctors and treatments not available to the public, overturned energy conservation standards that even industry supported, reduced the number of refugees the US accepts, insulted various members of Congress and the media with infantile nicknames, gave Rush Limbaugh a Presidential medal of Freedom at the State of the Union address, named as head of federal personnel a 29-year old who’d previously been fired from the White House for allegations of financial improprieties, eliminated the White House office of pandemic response, used soldiers as campaign props, fired any advisor who made the mistake of disagreeing with him, demanded the Pentagon throw him a Soviet-style military parade, hired a shit ton of white nationalists, politicized the civil service, did absolutely nothing after Russia hacked the U.S. government, falsely said the Boy Scouts called him to say his bizarre Jamboree speech was the best speech ever given to the Scouts, claimed that Black people would overrun the suburbs if Biden won, insulted reporters of color, insulted women reporters, insulted women reporters of color, suggested he was fine with China’s oppression of the Uighurs, attacked the Supreme Court when it ruled against him, summoned Pennsylvania state legislative leaders to the White House to pressure them to overturn the election, spent countless hours every day watching Fox News, refused to allow his administration to comply with Congressional subpoenas, hired Rudy Giuliani as his lawyer, tried to punish Amazon because the Jeff Bezos-owned Washington Post wrote negative stories about him, acted as if the Attorney General of the United States was his personal attorney, attempted to get the federal government to defend him in a libel lawsuit from a women who accused him of sexual assault, held private meetings with Vladimir Putin without staff present, didn’t disclose his private meetings with Vladimir Putin so that the US had to find out via Russian media, stopped holding press briefings for months at a time, “ordered” US companies to leave China even though he has no such power, led a political party that couldn’t even be bothered to draft a policy platform, claimed preposterously that Article II of the Constitution gave him absolute powers, tried to pressure the U.K. to hold the British Open at his golf course, suggested that the government nuke hurricanes, suggested that wind turbines cause cancer, said that he had a special aptitude for science, fired the head of election cyber security after he said that the 2020 election was secure, blurted out classified information to Russian officials, tried to force the G7 to hold their meeting at his failing golf resort in Florida, fired the acting attorney general when she refused to go along with his unconstitutional Muslim travel ban, hired Stephen Miller, openly discussed national security issues in the dining room at Mar-a-Lago where everyone could hear them, interfered with plans to relocate the FBI because a new development there might compete with his hotel, abandoned Iraqi refugees who’d helped the U.S. during the war, tried to get Russia back into the G7, held a COVID super spreader event in the Rose Garden, seemed to believe that Frederick Douglass is still alive, lost 60 election fraud cases in court including before judges he had nominated, falsely claimed that factories were reopening when they weren’t, shamelessly exploited terror attacks in Europe to justify his anti-immigrant policies, still hasn’t come up with a healthcare plan, still hasn’t come up with an infrastructure plan despite repeated “Infrastructure Weeks,” forced Secret Service agents to drive him around Walter Reed while contagious with COVID, told the Proud Boys to “stand back and stand by,” fucked up the Census, withdrew the U.S. from the World Health Organization in the middle of a pandemic, did so few of his duties that his press staff were forced to state on his daily schedule “President Trump will work from early in the morning until late in the evening. He will make many calls and have many meetings,” allowed his staff to repeatedly violate the Hatch Act, seemed not to know that Abraham Lincoln was a Republican, stood before sacred CIA wall of heroes and bragged about his election win, constantly claimed he was treated worse than any president which presumably includes four that were assassinated and his predecessor whose legitimacy and birthplace were challenged by a racist reality TV show star named Donald Trump, claimed Andrew Jackson could’ve stopped the Civil War even though he died 16 years before it happened, said that any opinion poll showing him behind was fake, claimed that other countries laughed at us before he became president when several world leaders were literally laughing at him, claimed that the military was out of ammunition before he became President, created a commission to whitewash American history, retweeted anti-Islam videos from one of the most racist people in Britain, claimed ludicrously that the Pulse nightclub shooting wouldn’t have happened if someone there had a gun even though there was an armed security guard there, hired a senior staffer who cited the non-existent Bowling Green Massacre as a reason to ban Muslims, had a press secretary who claimed that Nazi Germany never used chemical weapons even though every sane human being knows they used gas to kill millions of Jews and others, bilked the Secret Service for higher than market rates when they had to stay at Trump properties, apparently sold pardons on his way out of the White House, stripped protective status from 59,000 Haitians, falsely claimed Biden wanted to defund the police, said that the head of the CDC didn’t know what he was talking about, tried to rescind protection from DREAMers, gave himself an A+ for his handling of the pandemic, tried to start a boycott of Goodyear tires due to an Internet hoax, said U.S. rates of COVID would be lower if you didn’t count blue states, deported U.S. veterans who served their country but were undocumented, claimed he did more for African Americans than any president since Lincoln, touted a “super-duper” secret “hydrosonic” missile which may or may not be a new “hypersonic” missile or may not exist at all, retweeted a gif calling Biden a pedophile, forced through security clearances for his family, suggested that police officers should rough up suspects, suggested that Biden was on performance-enhancing drugs, tried to stop transgender students from being able to use school bathrooms in line with their gender, suggested the US not accept COVID patients from a cruise ship because it would make US numbers look higher, nominated a climate change sceptic to chair the committee advising the White House on environmental policy, retweeted a video doctored to look like Biden had played a song called “Fuck tha Police” at a campaign event, hugged a disturbingly large number of U.S. flags, accused Democrats of “treason” for not applauding his State of the Union address, claimed that the FBI failed to capture the Parkland school shooter because they were “spending too much time” on Russia, mocked the testimony of Dr Christine Blasey Ford when she accused Brett Kavanaugh of sexual assault, obsessed over low-flow toilets, ordered the rerelease of more COVID vaccines when there weren’t any to release, called for the construction of a bizarre garden of heroes with statutes of famous dead Americans as well as at least one Canadian (Alex Trebek), hijacked Washington’s July 4th celebrations to give a partisan speech, took advice from the MyPillow guy, claimed that migrants seeking a better life in the US were dangerous caravans of drug dealers and rapists, said nothing when Vladimir Putin poisoned a leading opposition figure, never seemed to heed the advice of his wife’s “Be Best” campaign, falsely claimed that mail-in voting is fraudulent, announced a precipitous withdrawal of troops from Syria which not only handed Russia and ISIS a win but also prompted his defense secretary to resign in protest, insulted the leader of Canada, insulted the leader of France, insulted the leader of Britain, insulted the leader of Germany, insulted the leader of Sweden (Sweden!!), falsely claimed credit for getting NATO members to increase their share of dues, blew off two Asia summits even though they were held virtually, continued lying about spending lots of time at Ground Zero with 9/11 responders, said that the Japanese would sit back and watch their “Sony televisions” if the US were ever attacked, left a NATO summit early in a huff, stared directly into an eclipse even though everyone over the age of 5 knows not to do that, called himself a very stable genius despite significant evidence to the contrary, refused to commit to a peaceful transfer of power and kept his promise, and a whole bunch of other things I can’t remember at the moment.
But other than that. . .”
 

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Man the ending would be sweet with "But other than that? Covfefe."
 

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Man the ending would be sweet with "But other than that? Covfefe."
I'd rather hear it read by Gollum.

Just imagined Andy Serkis saying, "..touted a “sooper-dooper” secret “hydrosonik” missiyle, which may or may not be a new “hypersonic” missile or may not exist at all,...tricksy Pentagon, lies, they hates us." I cannot breathe.
 

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Man the ending would be sweet with "But other than that? Covfefe."
I'd rather hear it read by Gollum.

Just imagined Andy Serkis saying, "..touted a “sooper-dooper” secret “hydrosonik” missiyle, which may or may not be a new “hypersonic” missile or may not exist at all,...tricksy Pentagon, lies, they hates us." I cannot breathe.

Didn't Serkis already do that with Mark Hamill in a tweet off with their respective Gollum/Joker voices? Or was that some fevered dream I had.
 

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Man the ending would be sweet with "But other than that? Covfefe."
I'd rather hear it read by Gollum.

Just imagined Andy Serkis saying, "..touted a “sooper-dooper” secret “hydrosonik” missiyle, which may or may not be a new “hypersonic” missile or may not exist at all,...tricksy Pentagon, lies, they hates us." I cannot breathe.

Didn't Serkis already do that with Mark Hamill in a tweet off with their respective Gollum/Joker voices? Or was that some fevered dream I had.
I know he read some of FloridaMan's tweets as Gollum. Don't know about Hamill....
 

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Didn't Serkis already do that with Mark Hamill in a tweet off with their respective Gollum/Joker voices? Or was that some fevered dream I had.
I know he read some of FloridaMan's tweets as Gollum. Don't know about Hamill....

Yes, he read off Trump tweets

[YOUTUBE]https://youtu.be/SLS2D_UREQE[/YOUTUBE]
 

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I have to say that you nailed (predicted) this one!

more like Elixir "canceled" Metaphor.

It's February and he's quoting a post from August, about something that happened in January. Meta was grotesquely wrong in August and Elixir was prophetically right, but one cannot assume Meta holds the same ridiculously and embarrassingly wrong views now as Meta held then. He is most likely just not interested in admitting to being wrong.
It's also possible he's in jail right now for Trespassing on Federal Property and simply unavailable to reply.

Protestors entering the Capitol Building and the Trump team filing lawsuits over the outcomes of some of the states is not a coup. He left office on time, exactly like Elixir predicted he wouldn't.
 

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I have to say that you nailed (predicted) this one!

more like Elixir "canceled" Metaphor.

It's February and he's quoting a post from August, about something that happened in January. Meta was grotesquely wrong in August and Elixir was prophetically right, but one cannot assume Meta holds the same ridiculously and embarrassingly wrong views now as Meta held then. He is most likely just not interested in admitting to being wrong.
It's also possible he's in jail right now for Trespassing on Federal Property and simply unavailable to reply.

Protestors entering the Capitol Building and the Trump team filing lawsuits over the outcomes of some of the states is not a coup. He left office on time, exactly like Elixir predicted he wouldn't.

This thread isn't about leaving office, it is about admitting defeat, which Trump still hasn't done. When was it that you predicted he would accept defeat again?
 

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Protestors entering the Capitol Building and the Trump team filing lawsuits over the outcomes of some of the states is not a coup. He left office on time, exactly like Elixir predicted he wouldn't.

This thread isn't about leaving office, it is about admitting defeat, which Trump still hasn't done. When was it that you predicted he would accept defeat again?

It wasn't about Trump saying "yes Biden won." If Elixir was right about Elixir's prediction, Trump would be sitting in the White House right now ordering the military to round up the remaining Biden supporters for "re-education."

Oh, and since people here have such a hard-on for me repeating myself...

I have heard a prediction recently that I think has a possibility of happening.

On election night, Trump wins. One week later, after all the mail-in votes are counted, Biden wins.

Elixir isn't having all these public feargasms due to being actually afraid. He's having them in an effort to preemptively delegitmize the election.

Feragasms are always fake. I was saying Elixir's public freak-outs over Trump ordering the military to overturn the constitution was nothing more than self-induced psychosis.
 

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Protestors entering the Capitol Building and the Trump team filing lawsuits over the outcomes of some of the states is not a coup. He left office on time, exactly like Elixir predicted he wouldn't.

This thread isn't about leaving office, it is about admitting defeat, which Trump still hasn't done. When was it that you predicted he would accept defeat again?

Right... and just for the record, protesters violently forcing a murderous entry to the capitol building in order to prevent the rightful winner of an election from being certified as such so that the loser can can be installed as the head of government, is EXACTLY THE DEFINITION of a coup attempt.
As usual, Jason is acting as a dishonest broker in discussion.
 

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Protestors entering the Capitol Building and the Trump team filing lawsuits over the outcomes of some of the states is not a coup. He left office on time, exactly like Elixir predicted he wouldn't.

This thread isn't about leaving office, it is about admitting defeat, which Trump still hasn't done. When was it that you predicted he would accept defeat again?

Right... and just for the record, protesters violently forcing a murderous entry to the capitol building in order to prevent the rightful winner of an election from being certified as such so that the loser can can be installed as the head of government, is EXACTLY THE DEFINITION of a coup attempt.
As usual, Jason is acting as a dishonest broker in discussion.

I agree 100%. That was dishonest of Jason.

In Jason's defense, a lot of the "protestors" (his word) were conservolibertarians and as such probably received the same kind of propaganda that Jason did. So, his framing of the issue, being consistent with theirs probably has a reason that he doesn't know how to get past without challenging his own opinions with logic and reason...something that time and time again, he refuses to do publicly in the forum.
 

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It wasn't about Trump saying "yes Biden won."

Yes, it was. Read the thread title. Also, here is Elixir's OP, just so we can avoid whatever other weaseling you intend to do regarding misrepresenting what this thread is about:
How many electoral votes would Biden/Harris need for Trump to admit defeat?
Don't know how to make a poll here but if I did, the choices would be something like

a) 500+
b) 400-499
c) 300-400
d) 270-300
e) 538 wouldn't be enough

In fact I think that depending on how many States Trump loses by single digit percentages and will claim were stolen by Hillary Sleepy Joe, he could contest almost any electoral loss no matter how big. And I expect he will.
Haven't heard much about it from the local 'Trump is an honorable man who will conceded if he loses' libberpublicans lately. So I'm wondering if anyone here thinks there is any possibility of a peaceful transfer of power in January, and if so, what factors would lead to that outcome.

Seems to be all about admitting defeat to me, even has a multiple choice section so people could more easily choose a range of electoral votes when making a prediction.

If Elixir was right about Elixir's prediction, Trump would be sitting in the White House right now ordering the military to round up the remaining Biden supporters for "re-education."

What was that prediction? It is not evident in the OP, please quote the post where you found it.

Oh, and since people here have such a hard-on for me repeating myself...

I have heard a prediction recently that I think has a possibility of happening.

On election night, Trump wins. One week later, after all the mail-in votes are counted, Biden wins.

Elixir isn't having all these public feargasms due to being actually afraid. He's having them in an effort to preemptively delegitmize the election.

That isn't you making a prediction, that is you talking about someone else's prediction, and skirting around whether or not you endorse that prediction. It is also not a prediction about Trump accepting defeat, but rather about Trump actually being defeated. So it fails on multiple levels and is just you misrepresenting posts again. Takes a lot of balls to do that with a post you directly quoted.

Feragasms are always fake. I was saying Elixir's public freak-outs over Trump ordering the military to overturn the constitution was nothing more than self-induced psychosis.

I have no doubt that Trump would have tried to use the military if the brass had not already made it abundantly clear that they would not help him. As it was, he got allies, including Mike Flynn's brother, into key positions to help him delay the National Guard response to the coup attempt he engineered (badly).
 

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Elixir's feargasms weren't about Trump saying "yes, Biden won." Nor were his feargasms about Trump taking legal measures, no matter how unusual, to stay in office.

They were about Trump taking illegal measures.

Either they fail, in which case Trump is forcibly removed from the White House, or they succeed, in which case Trump is the military dictator. Neither of those happened, because as much as Trump's team filed lots of lawsuits they didn't try the illegal measures that this thread is about.

This thread was started with feargasms over Trump taking illegal measures.
 

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Jason said:
If Elixir was right about Elixir's prediction, Trump would be sitting in the White House right now ordering the military to round up the remaining Biden supporters for "re-education."

More dishonesty!
Jason cannot point to any post wherein I posited that Trump would still be in the White House at this time, and it's VERY dishonest to say that I ever made such an assertion. I have Jason on ignore because of exactly that sort of dishonest stupidity, but to be perfectly clear, I MIGHT have made such a prediction if Trump was not such a dullard. However the thread title says it all.

Feragasms are always fake.

Obviously my prediction that Trump would never concede was not a feragasm [sic] or any of Jason's other fantasies. It was totally real, it was an accurate prediction founded on accurate perception of Trump's character, formed over decades prior to his candidacy. Similarly, I might have predicted Jason's refusal to admit that he was wrong based on relatively scant information of reading his posts for longer than necessary to know the dishonest nature of his (internet) character, including his crowing declarations that I was in some kind of "feragasm" mode when I made the prediction that Trump would never concede.

I have no doubt that Trump would have tried to use the military if the brass had not already made it abundantly clear that they would not help him.

Absolutely! In fact if there was any way to prove it one way or another, I'd bet my life that he made every overture he could possibly make to every person who might have been able to direct military force to his end, short of making himself liable for treason charges if that person "ratted him out", as they say in the mob.
 

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More dishonesty!
Jason cannot point to any post wherein I posited that Trump would still be in the White House at this time, and it's VERY dishonest to say that I ever made such an assertion. I have Jason on ignore because of exactly that sort of dishonest stupidity, but to be perfectly clear, I MIGHT have made such a prediction if Trump was not such a dullard. However the thread title says it all.



Obviously my prediction that Trump would never concede was not a feragasm [sic] or any of Jason's other fantasies. It was totally real, it was an accurate prediction founded on accurate perception of Trump's character, formed over decades prior to his candidacy. Similarly, I might have predicted Jason's refusal to admit that he was wrong based on relatively scant information of reading his posts for longer than necessary to know the dishonest nature of his (internet) character, including his crowing declarations that I was in some kind of "feragasm" mode when I made the prediction that Trump would never concede.

I have no doubt that Trump would have tried to use the military if the brass had not already made it abundantly clear that they would not help him.

Absolutely! In fact if there was any way to prove it one way or another, I'd bet my life that he made every overture he could possibly make to every person who might have been able to direct military force to his end, short of making himself liable for treason charges if that person "ratted him out", as they say in the mob.

We know he tried to get Pence to do something illegal. And we know that he considered other illegal actions through the justice department and it was only the risk of having mass resignations that deterred him.

I agree that if he had the right enablers, ones with even less integrity than Pence, he may have taken action to stop the transfer of power.
 

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Elixir's feargasms weren't about Trump saying "yes, Biden won." Nor were his feargasms about Trump taking legal measures, no matter how unusual, to stay in office.

Quotes, or it didn't happen. Please note that your last quote utterly failed to show what you said it would show. Try to do better next time.

They were about Trump taking illegal measures.

Quotes, or it didn't happen.

Either they fail, in which case Trump is forcibly removed from the White House, or they succeed, in which case Trump is the military dictator. Neither of those happened, because as much as Trump's team filed lots of lawsuits they didn't try the illegal measures that this thread is about.

This thread was started with feargasms over Trump taking illegal measures.

Quotes, or it didn't happen.
 

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https://thehill.com/homenews/campai...wont-review-pennsylvania-gop-election-lawsuit

The Supreme Court on Monday declined to review a series of challenges by Pennsylvania Republicans to the state’s expansive mail voting policy.
The development marked long-deferred action on the pro-Trump litigation that was filed in the heat of the 2020 election and had sought to upend President Biden’s victory in the key battleground state.
Three of the court’s more conservative justices — Clarence Thomas, Samuel Alito and Neil Gorsuch — dissented from the court’s denial of review in a pair of cases, though the justices made clear they had no desire to disturb the election result.
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Ain't that too bad. GOP attempts to steal them an election slapped down. And that ends the attempt in Pennsylvania to throw out the votes of good citizens who voted Democratic.
 

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Clarence Thomas promotes Donald Trump's big lie about voter fraud.
Justice Clarence Thomas is not backing down from the fight to legitimize Donald Trump’s claims that the 2020 election was rife with fraud. On Monday morning, Thomas issued a startling opinion ranting against the alleged dangers of mail voting and declaring that SCOTUS must override state courts that expand vote by mail pursuant to their state constitutions. Trump may be out of office, but his staunchest ally on the U.S. Supreme Court is carrying on his assault on the legitimacy of the election.
Clarence Thomas's dissent: 20-542 Republican Party of Pennsylvania v. Degraffenreid (02/22/2021) - 20-542_2c83.pdf
SCOTUS’s conservative justices were so furious about the Pennsylvania decision that they attempted to shatter states’ authority to run their own elections. In October, Thomas—joined by Justices Samuel Alito, Neil Gorsuch, and Brett Kavanaugh—accused the Pennsylvania Supreme Court of infringing on the Legislature’s authority to set election law. They asserted that, under the U.S. Constitution, federal courts can override state courts’ interpretation of election codes based on their own sense of what the state legislature prefers. Yet these four justices never found a fifth vote: Amy Coney Barrett joined the court too late to weigh in, and Chief Justice John Roberts refused to go along with this hijacking of state election law. In the end, late-arriving ballots were counted, though they did not change the outcome of any federal race in Pennsylvania, including the presidential contest.

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In his dissent, Thomas cast doubt on the legitimacy of the 2020 election by questioning the security of mail voting. “Voting by mail was traditionally limited to voters who had defined, well-documented reasons to be absent,” he wrote. The current trend toward more “permissive” mail voting, the justice warned, “vastly” increases “the risk of fraud.” Thomas drew heavily from a 2012 New York Times article focusing on Florida’s mail voting regime, which focused on a handful of fraudulent schemes involving mail ballots. The justice also pointed to a Republican operative’s criminal attempt to steal an election in North Carolina using mail ballots.
But there isn't much evidence of all this alleged vote-by-mail fraud.
 

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Clarence Thomas promotes Donald Trump's big lie about voter fraud.
Justice Clarence Thomas is not backing down from the fight to legitimize Donald Trump’s claims that the 2020 election was rife with fraud. On Monday morning, Thomas issued a startling opinion ranting against the alleged dangers of mail voting and declaring that SCOTUS must override state courts that expand vote by mail pursuant to their state constitutions. Trump may be out of office, but his staunchest ally on the U.S. Supreme Court is carrying on his assault on the legitimacy of the election.
Clarence Thomas's dissent: 20-542 Republican Party of Pennsylvania v. Degraffenreid (02/22/2021) - 20-542_2c83.pdf
SCOTUS’s conservative justices were so furious about the Pennsylvania decision that they attempted to shatter states’ authority to run their own elections. In October, Thomas—joined by Justices Samuel Alito, Neil Gorsuch, and Brett Kavanaugh—accused the Pennsylvania Supreme Court of infringing on the Legislature’s authority to set election law. They asserted that, under the U.S. Constitution, federal courts can override state courts’ interpretation of election codes based on their own sense of what the state legislature prefers. Yet these four justices never found a fifth vote: Amy Coney Barrett joined the court too late to weigh in, and Chief Justice John Roberts refused to go along with this hijacking of state election law. In the end, late-arriving ballots were counted, though they did not change the outcome of any federal race in Pennsylvania, including the presidential contest.

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In his dissent, Thomas cast doubt on the legitimacy of the 2020 election by questioning the security of mail voting. “Voting by mail was traditionally limited to voters who had defined, well-documented reasons to be absent,” he wrote. The current trend toward more “permissive” mail voting, the justice warned, “vastly” increases “the risk of fraud.” Thomas drew heavily from a 2012 New York Times article focusing on Florida’s mail voting regime, which focused on a handful of fraudulent schemes involving mail ballots. The justice also pointed to a Republican operative’s criminal attempt to steal an election in North Carolina using mail ballots.
But there isn't much evidence of all this alleged vote-by-mail fraud.
This nightmare isn't going to end, is it?
 

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This nightmare isn't going to end, is it?

No, it isn't. It's a structural problem, not a problem of an individual, though Individual1 did take advantage of the structure and even united and extended the infrastructure.

Yeah, we all owe Agent Orange a huge debt of gratitude for revealing a host of problems that arise from the "structural" assumption that voters are smarter than hamsters.
 

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What do you think Trump will do that will make the transfer of power to Biden non-peaceful?
The same thing he has been doing to keep everything else from being peaceful.
DUH


Okay, so in fact you have no clue and can name no specific actions you think he will take.

Did I say that? No.

* He will incite violence
* He will deny inciting violence
* He will claim the election was rigged

That's three, Meta. I could name 300 other things he might do, but I'm not your mom and I'm not here to spoon-feed you, just showing what a disingenuous and stupid "argument" you are trying to insinuate.
Since you are unable to answer anyone else's questions, there is no exchange of ideas here. Almost like ... you don't have any.

Thread necromancy…
Just scratching my head at how the resident “conservatives” were so spectacularly wrong about Trump, and still have yet to admit their egregious error.
 

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There will be a nonviolent turnover of power when Trump loses. The margin of defeat won't matter. At his very heart, Trump is a bully and a coward: he is all bluster and no action.

Supporting the losing candidate is a treason - the military won't back Trump. Come January 21, if Trump lost, he is no longer President (according to the Constitution) and the Secret Service will not answer to him at all (and I doubt they would support him in a his attempt to illegally hold the Presidency).
The electoral college chooses the President, and the Electoral College can be screwed with either to change the outright result or create a contested election which then heads to Congress. Doesn't have to win to win.
Well, I think I had what they were thinking.
 

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Protestors entering the Capitol Building and the Trump team filing lawsuits over the outcomes of some of the states is not a coup. He left office on time, exactly like Elixir predicted he wouldn't.

This thread isn't about leaving office, it is about admitting defeat, which Trump still hasn't done. When was it that you predicted he would accept defeat again?

It wasn't about Trump saying "yes Biden won." If Elixir was right about Elixir's prediction, Trump would be sitting in the White House right now ordering the military to round up the remaining Biden supporters for "re-education."
And right now, we are learning that the Justice Department (as in most of it) was effectively threatening to resign to keep Trump from appointing an acting Attorney General to meddle with the election results.
 

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Elixir's feargasms weren't about Trump saying "yes, Biden won." Nor were his feargasms about Trump taking legal measures, no matter how unusual, to stay in office.

They were about Trump taking illegal measures.
… which he did
Either they fail, in which case Trump is forcibly removed from the White House, or they succeed, in which case Trump is the military dictator.

They failed, after a violent attempt to prevent the certification of election results.

Neither of those happened,

WRONG!!

because as much as Trump's team filed lots of lawsuits they didn't try the illegal measures that this thread is about.

Uh, yes they did. Watch the hearings today, Jason.

This thread was started with feargasms over Trump taking illegal measures.

Turns out @Jason Harvestdancer was wrong on all counts, exactly as predicted.
The thread title encapsulated my “feargasm” - that Trump would never concede, regardless. I was 100% correct.

Trump did indeed take plenty of illegal actions (tune in to the hearings today if you dare, Jason)

Right Wing snowflakes are stupidly more afraid of admitting they’re wrong than of Cheato destroying American democracy.
That’s a main reason I feel such contempt for them.
 

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There will be a nonviolent turnover of power when Trump loses. The margin of defeat won't matter. At his very heart, Trump is a bully and a coward: he is all bluster and no action.

Supporting the losing candidate is a treason - the military won't back Trump. Come January 21, if Trump lost, he is no longer President (according to the Constitution) and the Secret Service will not answer to him at all (and I doubt they would support him in a his attempt to illegally hold the Presidency).
The electoral college chooses the President, and the Electoral College can be screwed with either to change the outright result or create a contested election which then heads to Congress. Doesn't have to win to win.
Well, I think I had what they were thinking.

Yup, you nailed it. I sure didn't see that coming, at least not in that form.
 

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Protestors entering the Capitol Building and the Trump team filing lawsuits over the outcomes of some of the states is not a coup. He left office on time, exactly like Elixir predicted he wouldn't.

This thread isn't about leaving office, it is about admitting defeat, which Trump still hasn't done. When was it that you predicted he would accept defeat again?

It wasn't about Trump saying "yes Biden won." If Elixir was right about Elixir's prediction, Trump would be sitting in the White House right now ordering the military to round up the remaining Biden supporters for "re-education."
And right now, we are learning that the Justice Department (as in most of it) was effectively threatening to resign to keep Trump from appointing an acting Attorney General to meddle with the election results.
What gets me is that so many people knew of these illegal plans before hand yet told no one. There are no heroes in this comic book.
 

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Protestors entering the Capitol Building and the Trump team filing lawsuits over the outcomes of some of the states is not a coup. He left office on time, exactly like Elixir predicted he wouldn't.

This thread isn't about leaving office, it is about admitting defeat, which Trump still hasn't done. When was it that you predicted he would accept defeat again?

It wasn't about Trump saying "yes Biden won." If Elixir was right about Elixir's prediction, Trump would be sitting in the White House right now ordering the military to round up the remaining Biden supporters for "re-education."
And right now, we are learning that the Justice Department (as in most of it) was effectively threatening to resign to keep Trump from appointing an acting Attorney General to meddle with the election results.
What gets me is that so many people knew of these illegal plans before hand yet told no one. There are no heroes in this comic book.
Most Rethuglitards played both sides. What if it worked, after they came out against it? Chances are they’d be lined up against a wall next to Nancy and the Dems. No, they couldn’t take that chance. Better to STFU and join the “winning” side if one emerged.
GOP is the Party of the obsequious weak minded, the amoral, the mentally challenged, the treasonous, and above all, the greedy. A big enough tent to make them an existential threat to American democracy.
 

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What do you think Trump will do that will make the transfer of power to Biden non-peaceful?
The same thing he has been doing to keep everything else from being peaceful.
DUH


Okay, so in fact you have no clue and can name no specific actions you think he will take.

Did I say that? No.

* He will incite violence
* He will deny inciting violence
* He will claim the election was rigged

That's three, Meta. I could name 300 other things he might do, but I'm not your mom and I'm not here to spoon-feed you, just showing what a disingenuous and stupid "argument" you are trying to insinuate.
Since you are unable to answer anyone else's questions, there is no exchange of ideas here. Almost like ... you don't have any.

Thread necromancy…
Just scratching my head at how the resident “conservatives” were so spectacularly wrong about Trump, and still have yet to admit their egregious error.
I wasn't aware there were any conservatives on this board.
 

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What do you think Trump will do that will make the transfer of power to Biden non-peaceful?
The same thing he has been doing to keep everything else from being peaceful.
DUH


Okay, so in fact you have no clue and can name no specific actions you think he will take.

Did I say that? No.

* He will incite violence
* He will deny inciting violence
* He will claim the election was rigged

That's three, Meta. I could name 300 other things he might do, but I'm not your mom and I'm not here to spoon-feed you, just showing what a disingenuous and stupid "argument" you are trying to insinuate.
Since you are unable to answer anyone else's questions, there is no exchange of ideas here. Almost like ... you don't have any.

Thread necromancy…
Just scratching my head at how the resident “conservatives” were so spectacularly wrong about Trump, and still have yet to admit their egregious error.
I wasn't aware there were any conservatives on this board.
Nobody has suggested that there are.
 

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I wasn't aware there were any conservatives on this board.

Ok, then we can add it to the burgeoning list of things of which you are unaware.

I find it telling that our right wingers are so desperate to disassociate themselves with their own “ilk”. Is that a plank in the libberpublican platform?
 

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I wasn't aware there were any conservatives on this board.

No Biden, no KKK, no Fascist USA
The word "know" has one silent k.
The word "knuckle" has two silent k's.
The word "Democrat" has three silent k's.

What do you call your ilk?
It is fun seeing you pretend that you don't know how I define myself.

I wasn't aware there were any conservatives on this board.

Ok, then we can add it to the burgeoning list of things of which you are unaware.

I find it telling that our right wingers are so desperate to disassociate themselves with their own “ilk”. Is that a plank in the libberpublican platform?
What is a "libberpublican"? I looked it up on Wikipedia and couldn't find anything.
 

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I wasn't aware there were any conservatives on this board.

No Biden, no KKK, no Fascist USA
The word "know" has one silent k.
The word "knuckle" has two silent k's.
The word "Democrat" has three silent k's.

What do you call your ilk?
It is fun seeing you pretend that you don't know how I define myself.

I'm afraid that you over-estimate my attention to you.

Now that you mention it, I dimly recall a conversation I had with a "libertarian" here — was that you? The conversation was one-sided; I listed several ilks of "libertarian" and described their beliefs in detail. I asked the "libertarian" — you? — about his particular niche in the libertarian panoply. All I got back was a dull-witted suggestion that I look up "libertarian' in a dictionary. :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
 

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I wasn't aware there were any conservatives on this board.

No Biden, no KKK, no Fascist USA
The word "know" has one silent k.
The word "knuckle" has two silent k's.
The word "Democrat" has three silent k's.

What do you call your ilk?
It is fun seeing you pretend that you don't know how I define myself.

I'm afraid that you over-estimate my attention to you.

And yet almost every time you reply to me you quote my signature instead of my post.
 
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