Australia is getting a new Prime Minister

[Angry Floof]

Ah, the leftist Newspeak. Anybody who is against unrestricted mass migration from the 3rd World is dubbed a "bigot" ...

No. The people who stew in fear and hate mongering fantasize that the refugees on Nauru are "unrestricted mass migration" to justify a seething, hateful, chickenshit world view rather than question it.

Give your executive functions some air time and your addled animal brain a well deserved rest. Please.

 

[Derec]

Because the boats were literally burned.

Because they wanted to press on toward Australia, not turn back. I am sure turning back was given to them as an option too.

And they are in a locked compound surrounded by razor wire topped fences and armed guards.

Because they insist on going to Australia, not go back home.

Sure. You can ask the federal government why they haven't done that, if it's so easy.

If these people threw away their documents so they could not be deported, I have no sympathy for them if they are held in these camps until they can arrange replacements.
What else would be a possible hurdle against repatriation of these migrants?

Perhaps it only looks easy to someone who hasn't bothered to find out what the real situation is, because his bigotry is sufficient basis for determining the best solution to every problem. Perhaps reality isn't that simple.

Explain to me then, what your view of this "reality" is.
I know you want all of them let into Australia, even if that means that thousands if not millions more will follow them once they see that the sea route to Australia is open again.

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No. The people who stew in fear and hate mongering fantasize that the refugees on Nauru

What evidence do you have that they are legit refugees? And you are ignoring the pull factor that would result from letting them in and ending the policy of stopping migrant boats. Australia would be in similar situation as Europe is now, with constant migrant boats arriving.

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Give your executive functions some air time and your addled animal brain a well deserved rest. Please.

I am not the one getting overly emotional and irrational over this.
Rationally speaking, this Australian policy is necessary for deterrence. Otherwise you get the European mess.

 

[Patooka]

Who exactly is platforming for unrestricted mass migration? That's like saying if you are worried about women falsely accusing men of rape, the only solution is to legalize sexual assault. Pretty absurd talking point when you look at it like that.
Doesn't matter, I don't live in Wentworth so the cold hard truth is my opinion on Foreign or Domestic Policy means jack fucking shit at the moment. It's comforting to know that nuanced arguments like where Australia's embassy in Israel should be or whether the senate's primary concern should be anti-white racism can be simplified into measuring how many votes Sharma can get today (Saturday).

 

[bilby]

Because they wanted to press on toward Australia, not turn back. I am sure turning back was given to them as an option too.

Because they insist on going to Australia, not go back home.

Sure. You can ask the federal government why they haven't done that, if it's so easy.

If these people threw away their documents so they could not be deported, I have no sympathy for them if they are held in these camps until they can arrange replacements.
What else would be a possible hurdle against repatriation of these migrants?

Perhaps it only looks easy to someone who hasn't bothered to find out what the real situation is, because his bigotry is sufficient basis for determining the best solution to every problem. Perhaps reality isn't that simple.

Explain to me then, what your view of this "reality" is.
I know you want all of them let into Australia, even if that means that thousands if not millions more will follow them once they see that the sea route to Australia is open again.

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No. The people who stew in fear and hate mongering fantasize that the refugees on Nauru

What evidence do you have that they are legit refugees? And you are ignoring the pull factor that would result from letting them in and ending the policy of stopping migrant boats. Australia would be in similar situation as Europe is now, with constant migrant boats arriving.

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Give your executive functions some air time and your addled animal brain a well deserved rest. Please.

I am not the one getting overly emotional and irrational over this.
Rationally speaking, this Australian policy is necessary for deterrence. Otherwise you get the European mess.

Asylum seekers who arrive by boat are subject to the same assessment criteria as all other asylum applicants. Past figures show that between 70 and 100 per cent of asylum seekers arriving by boat at different times have been found to be refugees and granted protection either in Australia or in another country.

https://www.aph.gov.au/About_Parliament/Parliamentary_Departments/Parliamentary_Library/pubs/rp/rp1415/AsylumFacts#_Toc413067445

That's the federal government's own report, by the way.

 

[Derec]

Who exactly is platforming for unrestricted mass migration?

Maybe not explicitly but that is the result of rejecting policies that deter all these migrant boats from arriving.

 

[Derec]

That's the federal government's own report, by the way.

And this high approval rate for asylum seekers is a problem in itself. Of course millions are trying to come!
Asylum criteria should be made much stricter than they are now. Otherwise countries that experience mass migration will be overrun, and since most of these so-called "asylum seekers" are Muslim, it will turn Australia into Australistan.

 

[Patooka]

Who exactly is platforming for unrestricted mass migration?

Maybe not explicitly but that is the result of rejecting policies that deter all these migrant boats from arriving.

So, are you for or against legalizing rape? Because that's the result of constantly highlighting women who lie about rape. Like I said, it's an absurd argument used in any context.

 

[Derec]

So, are you for or against legalizing rape? Because that's the result of constantly highlighting women who lie about rape. Like I said, it's an absurd argument used in any context.

One has nothing to do with the other. Can we please stay on topic?

 

[Axulus]

Who exactly is platforming for unrestricted mass migration?

Maybe not explicitly but that is the result of rejecting policies that deter all these migrant boats from arriving.

So, are you for or against legalizing rape? Because that's the result of constantly highlighting women who lie about rape. Like I said, it's an absurd argument used in any context.

He seems to support allowing rapes of migrants to deter them from coming.

 

[Patooka]

That's the federal government's own report, by the way.

And this high approval rate for asylum seekers is a problem in itself. Of course millions are trying to come!
Asylum criteria should be made much stricter than they are now. Otherwise countries that experience mass migration will be overrun, and since most of these so-called "asylum seekers" are Muslim, it will turn Australia into Australistan.

I've been told all my life that Australia is going to be overrun with the wrong type of immigrants. First the wogs, then the charlies, then the "white wogs" when the Soviet Union collapsed, then all asians not just charlies and now it's the mozzies. The same bullshit argument every time; if we don't stop this particular group, Australia will never be the same. Well, here is what a Vietnamese refugee from the 70's and 80's sounds like toady:
[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WhGETRI81DE[/youtube]

I'm pretty certain that in 30 years time the kids of the immigrants today are going to sound something like "Hey, me names Barry Malik. Hows it fuckin' going?"

 

[Derec]

He seems to support allowing rapes of migrants to deter them from coming.

In Sweden Afghan mass migrants are 10x more likely to commit rape than "old" Swedes. They are not being raped, they are the ones raping.

 

[Patooka]

He seems to support allowing rapes of migrants to deter them from coming.

In Sweden Afghan mass migrants are 10x more likely to commit rape than "old" Swedes. They are not being raped, they are the ones raping.

I thought we were talking about migration in Australia and how it is being used as a crude vote gathering mechanism in the Wentworth by-election? If not we can revisit how absurd your argument vis a vis "lock up all refugees and ship them back or otherwise there can only be unrestricted migration" when used in any other situation.

 

[Patooka]

And...we now have a hung parliament.

The Liberal Party, and its predecessors, have held the eastern Sydney electorate since Federation and the historic result means the Federal Government will lose its one-seat majority in Canberra.

I would love to see a double dissolution, but I seriously doubt that's on the cards.

 

[bilby]

And...we now have a hung parliament.

The Liberal Party, and its predecessors, have held the eastern Sydney electorate since Federation and the historic result means the Federal Government will lose its one-seat majority in Canberra.

I would love to see a double dissolution, but I seriously doubt that's on the cards.

Wentworth. No longer Liberal.

Fucking stoked.

That is all.

 

[jonatha]

I've been thinking about visiting Australia in the near future for a couple of weeks.

Does The Lodge supply towels or should I bring my own?

 

[Derec]

I thought we were talking about migration in Australia and how it is being used as a crude vote gathering mechanism in the Wentworth by-election?

Aren't most of these migrants Afghans?

If not we can revisit how absurd your argument vis a vis "lock up all refugees and ship them back or otherwise there can only be unrestricted migration" when used in any other situation.

If you reverse the "turn back the boats" policy that will encourage more mass migrants to come.

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And...we now have a hung parliament.

The Liberal Party, and its predecessors, have held the eastern Sydney electorate since Federation and the historic result means the Federal Government will lose its one-seat majority in Canberra.

I would love to see a double dissolution, but I seriously doubt that's on the cards.

Too bad. But what is the winning candidate's stance on turning back mass migrant boats?

 

[bilby]

Aren't most of these migrants Afghans?


If you reverse the "turn back the boats" policy that will encourage more mass migrants to come.

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And...we now have a hung parliament.

The Liberal Party, and its predecessors, have held the eastern Sydney electorate since Federation and the historic result means the Federal Government will lose its one-seat majority in Canberra.

I would love to see a double dissolution, but I seriously doubt that's on the cards.

Too bad. But what is the winning candidate's stance on turning back mass migrant boats?

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2018/oct/14/kerryn-phelps-urges-wentworth-voters-to-use-byelection-to-protest-inhumane-refugee-policies

Independent candidate says if elected she will work to support an immediate end to offshore detention.

Not that it is, nor should be, the only (or even a particularly important) issue. Just because you are obsessed with your terror of muslims coming to the west, doesn't make it critical to anyone else. Your obsession is not a universal trait. There are plenty of other things that need to be dealt with at the federal level in Australia.

Given that you are neither going to change anyone elses minds here, nor likely to adjust your inhumane stance one iota, can we please stop derailing the thread with your hobbyhorse? Have the last word if you must, but I for one shall not be discussing immigration policy with you any further in this thread.

 

[Derec]

Not that it is, nor should be, the only (or even a particularly important) issue. Just because you are obsessed with your terror of muslims coming to the west, doesn't make it critical to anyone else. Your obsession is not a universal trait. There are plenty of other things that need to be dealt with at the federal level in Australia.

Possibly so, but it is concerning for her thinking skills that she apparently wants to open the migration floodgates a la Merkel.

 

[bilby]

 

[Patooka]

Too bad. But what is the winning candidate's stance on turning back mass migrant boats?

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2018/oct/14/kerryn-phelps-urges-wentworth-voters-to-use-byelection-to-protest-inhumane-refugee-policies

Independent candidate says if elected she will work to support an immediate end to offshore detention.

Not that it is, nor should be, the only (or even a particularly important) issue. Just because you are obsessed with your terror of muslims coming to the west, doesn't make it critical to anyone else. Your obsession is not a universal trait. There are plenty of other things that need to be dealt with at the federal level in Australia.

Given that you are neither going to change anyone elses minds here, nor likely to adjust your inhumane stance one iota, can we please stop derailing the thread with your hobbyhorse? Have the last word if you must, but I for one shall not be discussing immigration policy with you any further in this thread.

You might not want to mention to Derec that Dr Phelps has no use for men either. His head might explode.

Some positives I'm taking from all this:
-Even in "safe" seats like Wentworth, voters are pretty cynical about stunts designed solely as a vote gathering mechanism. Like for example the "Australia is moving its embassy to Jerusalem" debacle. Here's a nice quote:

"Morrison's cynicism is, perversely, offensive to the Jewish community in that it presumes Jewish loyalty to Israel would trump their concerns with Australian issues. The announcement also treats Israel as if it is a domestic plaything, only for the PM to have revealed his naivety at how far-reaching its impacts on foreign relations can be."

-Voters are getting fed up with politicians treating governance like it is some fucking prize that they are entitled to if they play the game long enough. Who knows, maybe tribalism in politics is on the down turn? Optimistic, I know, but we'll see.

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I've been thinking about visiting Australia in the near future for a couple of weeks.

Does The Lodge supply towels or should I bring my own?

Come one dude, be realistic. Never forget to bring a towel!