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Is the term "basket of deplorables" the most in-artful term you ever heard coined in a presidential campaign? Forget being a running candidate that paint millions of voters with the name deplorable, but just the phrase itself. WTF is that? and months of hearing it hasn't made it sound any better to me.
 
Is the term "basket of deplorables" the most in-artful term you ever heard coined in a presidential campaign? Forget being a running candidate that paint millions of voters with the name deplorable, but just the phrase itself. WTF is that? and months of hearing it hasn't made it sound any better to me.

The difference is that HRC apologized for the remark the very next day. Trumpster hasn't never apologized for anything that I know of in his life.
 
I agree it's bizarre and awkward. Maybe that's why I like it so much.

I was also flummoxed that she said it, though. Not so much because it could be a political faux pas, but because it wasn't really characteristic of Clinton. She's said plenty of sharp things, but this one so pointedly about a group of voters was surprising, and to use those particular words... "deplorables"? a whole "basket" of them? It was clear that she was pointing out that Trump had tapped into something very nasty in the population and was riding his campaign on the worst of human values, and she was absolutely right. I get that clearly, but yeah, weird articulation. But Clinton is known for being pragmatic and persuasive, not so much for being poetic or even eloquent. That one phrase alone illustrates this well. :D

So not the most in-artful term ever, but in-artful nonetheless and also significant because of its context in the US presidential election.
 
It was a clever description that should have stayed in her head.

What I found fascinating is the snowflake reaction from the usual anti-political correctness crowd.
 
Now I'm thinking up my own in-artful phrases for Trump supporters. How about "jar of despicables"? "cupboard of nasties"?

"urn of bigots"
"box of terribles"
"bowl of dreadfuls"
"suitably large container of maggots on the putrid underbelly of America"
 
It's the 'basket' part that isn't quite right. She should perhaps have referred to 'a suppurating cesspit of deplorables' to get closer to Mencken, or at least Coulter, territory.
In any case, it isn't nearly as irritating a phrase as "a thousand points of light", which was Bush Elder's way of conveying some vacuous thought about, I guess, private charities doing what Republicans don't want the government to do. When you utter a phrase like "a thousand points of light" and think you're being eloquent, you're announcing your own dunderheadedness.
 
It's the 'basket' part that isn't quite right. She should perhaps have referred to 'a suppurating cesspit of deplorables' to get closer to Mencken, or at least Coulter, territory.
In any case, it isn't nearly as irritating a phrase as "a thousand points of light", which was Bush Elder's way of conveying some vacuous thought about, I guess, private charities doing what Republicans don't want the government to do.
And it turns out Republicans don't want anyone to do it.

When you utter a phrase like "a thousand points of light" and think you're being eloquent, you're announcing your own dunderheadedness.
hahaha! Yep.
 
Is the term "basket of deplorables" the most in-artful term you ever heard coined in a presidential campaign? Forget being a running candidate that paint millions of voters with the name deplorable, but just the phrase itself. WTF is that? and months of hearing it hasn't made it sound any better to me.

The biggest 'mistake' component of her statement was the word "half". If she had said "some of Trump's supporters belong in a cup of cocksuckers" she could have gotten away with it.
 
I agree it's bizarre and awkward. Maybe that's why I like it so much.

I was also flummoxed that she said it, though. Not so much because it could be a political faux pas, but because it wasn't really characteristic of Clinton. She's said plenty of sharp things, but this one so pointedly about a group of voters was surprising, and to use those particular words... "deplorables"? a whole "basket" of them? It was clear that she was pointing out that Trump had tapped into something very nasty in the population and was riding his campaign on the worst of human values, and she was absolutely right. I get that clearly, but yeah, weird articulation. But Clinton is known for being pragmatic and persuasive, not so much for being poetic or even eloquent. That one phrase alone illustrates this well. :D

So not the most in-artful term ever, but in-artful nonetheless and also significant because of its context in the US presidential election.

I never really understood why people took such offense to that comment and took it so personally, as if to suggest they believed she spoke about them specifically which could tell you a lot about the people she offended I guess.

Look out HRC, the world can't handle your SICK BURN. Bill O'fricken'Reilly can't handle it. He can't handle being called "Deplorable."

And these are the people who say my generation is too sensitive? Get real.
 
I agree it's bizarre and awkward. Maybe that's why I like it so much.

I was also flummoxed that she said it, though. Not so much because it could be a political faux pas, but because it wasn't really characteristic of Clinton. She's said plenty of sharp things, but this one so pointedly about a group of voters was surprising, and to use those particular words... "deplorables"? a whole "basket" of them? It was clear that she was pointing out that Trump had tapped into something very nasty in the population and was riding his campaign on the worst of human values, and she was absolutely right. I get that clearly, but yeah, weird articulation. But Clinton is known for being pragmatic and persuasive, not so much for being poetic or even eloquent. That one phrase alone illustrates this well. :D

So not the most in-artful term ever, but in-artful nonetheless and also significant because of its context in the US presidential election.

I never really understood why people took such offense to that comment and took it so personally, as if to suggest they believed she spoke about them specifically which could tell you a lot about the people she offended I guess.

Look out HRC, the world can't handle your SICK BURN. Bill O'fricken'Reilly can't handle it. He can't handle being called "Deplorable."

And these are the people who say my generation is too sensitive? Get real.

Well, the right is all about taking offense. Moralizing and condemning everyone else are holy sacraments. They identify fiercely and deeply with their symbols, figureheads, ideological identity, etc. They will commit or condone or just wish for punishment for anyone who dares question their favorite story or make fun of whoever serves as their authority at the moment.

Mike Huckabee said that everyone should be forced at gunpoint to watch whatever incoherent pseudoscience movie he thinks proves not only god but his particular baboon of a god. (He also has no idea what "cultural myopia" means but still wrote a whole book about it. Such wacky fun, that guy. :D) That's Mike Huckabee, one of the supposedly "nice" Republicans, well liked and respected on the right. Not that relevant anymore, but was for a while recently. That's just one example. My arms would ache if I typed out all the examples that come to mind of petty outrage over shit that is either hurting no one or nobody's god damn business, or both. Such is the conservative disease in the US, that the worst of fear-based behavior and beliefs are now our mainstream right wing.

Anyway, if you're not offended by the most insignificant, irrelevant non-issues, then you are not a Murican and cannot be trusted to take offense at the important stuff like what grown people you don't know are doing in their bedrooms. If you have any sense of boundaries and basic, ordinary respect for others, then you are not qualified to be a brave patriot(tm). It's your duty to threaten violence against anyone who disrespects the cartoon authority installed in your head in place of a conscience.

None of this should be surprising to anyone. The absolutist, punishment mentality inherent in Christianity is deeply and irreversibly enmeshed into right wing politics, in our country and others. And being a belief system of contradictions, violence, punishment, submission to a bully, rigidity, and fear, of course it will beautifully complement the traits of conservative minds: fear of change, conformity, human behavior viewed legalistic and moralizing terms, etc.

Frightened brains are the inventors of both Christianity and right wing politics.

But I digress. To summarize, right wingers cry about petty shit because they ain't got good sense. That's what willful ignorance and systematic engagement of people's self preservation instincts through violent ideology does to a population.
 
Imagine, Trump talking about women like he did....awful, just awful. However, rap music is ok, because it doesn't degrade women, and so is porn, and it is ok if Hillary's husband Bill says and acts that way. She stood by her man. And I believe most of the women I know would do pretty much anything their favorite celebrity wanted them to do...so the only safe American entertainment is wrestling, because they always uplift women. Hey, he is your rightful leader. Why are everyone else's actions deplorable but not hers and Bills? At least Trump isn't a knowing hypocrite.
 
Is the term "basket of deplorables" the most in-artful term you ever heard coined in a presidential campaign? Forget being a running candidate that paint millions of voters with the name deplorable, but just the phrase itself. WTF is that? and months of hearing it hasn't made it sound any better to me.

"Binders full of women" was pretty funny, too - though in context it was easy to see what he actually meant
 
"Binders full of women" was pretty funny, too - though in context it was easy to see what he actually meant
Bill Clinton certainly did.
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Imagine, Trump talking about women like he did....awful, just awful. However, rap music is ok, because it doesn't degrade women, and so is porn, and it is ok if Hillary's husband Bill says and acts that way. She stood by her man. And I believe most of the women I know would do pretty much anything their favorite celebrity wanted them to do...so the only safe American entertainment is wrestling, because they always uplift women. Hey, he is your rightful leader. Why are everyone else's actions deplorable but not hers and Bills? At least Trump isn't a knowing hypocrite.

I don't know if you're responding to my post or just commenting in general, but I sure as hell am not worshiping or excusing any Clintons, and I don't care what other people say about them. I have no personal attachment to them. But even people I am attached to emotionally, like Jon Stewart, I don't give a crap what anyone says about him.

Conservatives can't seem to understand that not all of us think like they do. We all attach ourselves emotionally to a great many things, but not all of us attach to "authority" or the symbol of something instead of the something it represents, or an ideological identity. Not all of us raise our attachments to the level of moral imperative where criticism of that person or thing in and of itself demands harsh punishment.

Anyway, my post wasn't about gratuitous political gossip, but I will say that Trump isn't a knowing anything. You need an attention span better than a spider monkey's to be able to compare what you said today with what you said yesterday. You may be right, he may be completely mentally unfit to be held accountable for anything he says or does.
 
Is the term "basket of deplorables" the most in-artful term you ever heard coined in a presidential campaign? Forget being a running candidate that paint millions of voters with the name deplorable, but just the phrase itself. WTF is that? and months of hearing it hasn't made it sound any better to me.

The difference is that HRC apologized for the remark the very next day. Trumpster hasn't never apologized for anything that I know of in his life.

Exactly.

But as usual, the Trump supporters carried their outrage for months, completely ignoring the insults Trump made to the POWs, women, hispanics, the handicapped, etc.
 
Is the term "basket of deplorables" the most in-artful term you ever heard coined in a presidential campaign? Forget being a running candidate that paint millions of voters with the name deplorable, but just the phrase itself. WTF is that? and months of hearing it hasn't made it sound any better to me.

The difference is that HRC apologized for the remark the very next day. Trumpster hasn't never apologized for anything that I know of in his life.
The statement itself was politically stupid because it attacked the voters rather than her competitor. But yes, Clinton apologized for it but then only distanced herself from the word "deplorable", while continuing to call anyone who didn't support her campaign racists, sexists, homophobes, xenophobes, etc.

The objective of a political campaign is to attract those who are not currently supporters. Attacking them with such ad homenums only alienates them and is a sign of unbelievable arrogance.
 
It's the 'basket' part that isn't quite right. She should perhaps have referred to 'a suppurating cesspit of deplorables' to get closer to Mencken, or at least Coulter, territory.

I think it's the word 'deplorables' that makes the phrase awkward. It's an uncommon word that sounds like something an elitist would say. If HRC had said something about a 'basket full of a-holes' it would have been a lot less snobbish sounding.

It also would have been pretty funny, especially when it became an internet joke.
 
The difference is that HRC apologized for the remark the very next day. Trumpster hasn't never apologized for anything that I know of in his life.
The statement itself was politically stupid because it attacked the voters rather than her competitor. But yes, Clinton apologized for it but then only distanced herself from the word "deplorable", while continuing to call anyone who didn't support her campaign racists, sexists, homophobes, xenophobes, etc.

The objective of a political campaign is to attract those who are not currently supporters. Attacking them with such ad homenums only alienates them and is a sign of unbelievable arrogance.

Yet this worked perfectly fine with Trump. He insulted a great many people and still won. Obviously insulting a great many of the voting population is not a deterrent to winning.
 
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