Bernie Sanders introduces "Stop BEZOS Act"

[bilby]

"Centibillionaires" should mean people who have 10s of millions of dollars. The prefix "centi" means "one hundredth", as in centimeter or centiliter. The more accurate term would be "hectobillionaire", as in hectoliter or hectare. Or decitrillionaire, if you insist.

^ Thank you, I was getting tired of being the only one who noticed.

 

[Swammerdami]

"Centibillionaires" should mean people who have 10s of millions of dollars. The prefix "centi" means "one hundredth", as in centimeter or centiliter. The more accurate term would be "hectobillionaire", as in hectoliter or hectare. Or decitrillionaire, if you insist.

^ Thank you, I was getting tired of being the only one who noticed.

My favorite dictionary is wiktionary. What's yours? It's fun and instructive to look at etymologies. Mega- and Micro- ultimately derive from Greek words meaning 'large' and 'small.' No ambiguity there!

Hecto- (shown as a synonym of Centi-) derives from an Ancient Greek word (ἑκατόν (hekatón)) meaning hundred. Its use to mean *2² is slightly deprecated when the International System of Units is used in science: Exponents that are whole multiples of 3 are preferred.

Centi- derives from Latin centum (“hundred”). Yes, that's HUNDRED. With an H.

Prefix
centi-
1. one-hundredth
. . 1. (specifically) In the International System of Units and other metric systems of units, multiplying the unit to which it is attached by 10-2. Symbol: c
2. hundred
Synonyms: hecato-, hecto-
Example: centimillionaire

Does this help at all?

Milli- is similar to Centi-. It comes from a Latin word for thousand, and means thousand, e.g. millipede. (Never mind that a millipede has fewer than a thousand legs.) It can also mean 10^-3 IN THE SPECIFIC context of the International System of Units.

Does this help?

Kilo- comes from French, irregularly derived from Ancient Greek χίλιοι (khílioi, “one thousand”). The etymologically "correct" form would be chili- or chilo- ... but the French, when creating the prefix, had to avoid a possible (standard) pronunciation of chi as /ʃi/, too close to the vulgar verb chier (meaning to defecate).

The sound-change required for Kilo- provides a useful metaphier for certain babblings here ...

 

[bilby]

Does this help at all?

Does this help?

Nope. You remain wrong.

What would help would be for you to stop using the word "centibillionaire" incorrectly. It means someone with tens of millions of dollars, and when you use it to mean someone with four orders of magnitude more wealth than that, it makes you appear stupid, and it encourages others to be similarly stupid.

I am not too concerned by the former issue, but I feel that you ought to be. I am greatly concerned by the latter, because there's more than enough stupid in the world already.

In the SI, designations of multiples and subdivision of any unit may be arrived at by combining with the name of the unit the prefixes deka, hecto, and kilo meaning, respectively, 10, 100, and 1000, and deci, centi, and milli, meaning, respectively, one-tenth, one-hundredth, and one-thousandth.

https://www.nist.gov/pml/owm/metric-si-prefixes

Etymology helps to explain why you make your error, but it remains an error. Drawing examples from outside metrology (eg 'centipede') just makes you look like you don't understand the context in which you are working - a common trait in stupidity.

 

[Swammerdami]

Nope. You remain wrong.

What would help would be for you to stop using the word "centibillionaire" incorrectly. It means someone with tens of millions of dollars, and when you use it to mean someone with four orders of magnitude more wealth than that, it makes you appear stupid, and it encourages others to be similarly stupid.

"Stupid ... stupid ... stupid." Speaking of STUPID, this latest rant by you puts you in a tie with the peculiar Steve whose grasp of one debate has led him to claim I am in the Carrierist camp!

I posted a DICTIONARY entry that used centimillionaire as the Example for "centi-." It didn't define the example; do you suppose it means someone with $10,000 ? The idea that (gasp!) a word -- even a prefix -- can have TWO different meanings seems to be beyond you.

I didn't "cherry-pick" that dictionary: It's my favorite and was the only one I checked. Just now I see that Merriam-Webster also shows both meanings of "centi-", though reversing the order. Click here, fool, for M-W's entry for centimillionaire. Do you now claim that a centibillionaire is someone with only one-tenth the wealth of a centimillionaire?

You're welcome to back up your pretentious ignorance with a cite but here, as on many topics, you're happy to pull unfounded rants out of your rectum. You rant your ignorance in the Mythicism discussion, with total unwillingness to review inferences from early historical documents. You usurp other threads to preen your arrogant ignorance of the word "intrinsic" as applied to precious metals used as money.

stupid ... error ... error ... stupidity

How the F**k did I end up on this message board? Delete my account.

 

[bilby]

I posted a DICTIONARY entry that used centimillionaire as the Example for "centi-." It didn't define the example; do you suppose it means someone with $10,000 ?

Yes. Yes it does.

The idea that (gasp!) a word -- even a prefix -- can have TWO different meanings seems to be beyond you.

The idea that (gasp!) a dictionary could be wrong, and so could you, seems to be beyond you.

But it's true, nonetheless.

 

[Bomb#20]

"Centibillionaires" should mean people who have 10s of millions of dollars. The prefix "centi" means "one hundredth", as in centimeter or centiliter. The more accurate term would be "hectobillionaire", as in hectoliter or hectare. Or decitrillionaire, if you insist.

^ Thank you, I was getting tired of being the only one who noticed.

Shouldn't that be "hectogigaire" or "deciteraire"? "Million" and "billion" aren't SI.

 

[bilby]

"Centibillionaires" should mean people who have 10s of millions of dollars. The prefix "centi" means "one hundredth", as in centimeter or centiliter. The more accurate term would be "hectobillionaire", as in hectoliter or hectare. Or decitrillionaire, if you insist.

^ Thank you, I was getting tired of being the only one who noticed.

Shouldn't that be "hectogigaire" or "deciteraire"? "Million" and "billion" aren't SI.

Neither are the hecto- or deci- prefixes.

SI is a metre-kilogram-second based metrology, that only has prefixes for powers of ten that are multiples of three. Hecto-, deci- and centi- are part of the older centimetre-gram-second "metric" system that preceeded the current SI.

There are exactly no consistent and complete metrologies in which the prefix "centi-" means a hundred, rather than a hundredth.

 

[Toni]

Nope. You remain wrong.

What would help would be for you to stop using the word "centibillionaire" incorrectly. It means someone with tens of millions of dollars, and when you use it to mean someone with four orders of magnitude more wealth than that, it makes you appear stupid, and it encourages others to be similarly stupid.

"Stupid ... stupid ... stupid." Speaking of STUPID, this latest rant by you puts you in a tie with the peculiar Steve whose grasp of one debate has led him to claim I am in the Carrierist camp!

I posted a DICTIONARY entry that used centimillionaire as the Example for "centi-." It didn't define the example; do you suppose it means someone with $10,000 ? The idea that (gasp!) a word -- even a prefix -- can have TWO different meanings seems to be beyond you.

I didn't "cherry-pick" that dictionary: It's my favorite and was the only one I checked. Just now I see that Merriam-Webster also shows both meanings of "centi-", though reversing the order. Click here, fool, for M-W's entry for centimillionaire. Do you now claim that a centibillionaire is someone with only one-tenth the wealth of a centimillionaire?

You're welcome to back up your pretentious ignorance with a cite but here, as on many topics, you're happy to pull unfounded rants out of your rectum. You rant your ignorance in the Mythicism discussion, with total unwillingness to review inferences from early historical documents. You usurp other threads to preen your arrogant ignorance of the word "intrinsic" as applied to precious metals used as money.

stupid ... error ... error ... stupidity

How the F**k did I end up on this message board? Delete my account.

Please don’t leave. I value your posts!

 

[Toni]

I posted a DICTIONARY entry that used centimillionaire as the Example for "centi-." It didn't define the example; do you suppose it means someone with $10,000 ?

Yes. Yes it does.

The idea that (gasp!) a word -- even a prefix -- can have TWO different meanings seems to be beyond you.

The idea that (gasp!) a dictionary could be wrong, and so could you, seems to be beyond you.

But it's true, nonetheless.

Sorry but you are not the sole arbiter of truth or..,anything.

You have strong opinions but not always the knowledge base fir a strong foundation for those opinions.

Don’t worry: I am fully expecting to be excoriated.

I don’t give a shit.

 

[ZiprHead]

Centennial means one hundred.

 

[Bomb#20]

"Centibillionaires" should mean people who have 10s of millions of dollars. The prefix "centi" means "one hundredth", as in centimeter or centiliter. The more accurate term would be "hectobillionaire", as in hectoliter or hectare. Or decitrillionaire, if you insist.

^ Thank you, I was getting tired of being the only one who noticed.

Shouldn't that be "hectogigaire" or "deciteraire"? "Million" and "billion" aren't SI.

Neither are the hecto- or deci- prefixes.

SI is a metre-kilogram-second based metrology, that only has prefixes for powers of ten that are multiples of three. Hecto-, deci- and centi- are part of the older centimetre-gram-second "metric" system that preceeded the current SI.

Dude! You're the one who brought up SI and presented centi's SI meaning as your authority!

Nope. You remain wrong.

What would help would be for you to stop using the word "centibillionaire" incorrectly. It means someone with tens of millions of dollars, ...

In the SI, designations of multiples and subdivision of any unit may be arrived at by combining with the name of the unit the prefixes deka, hecto, and kilo meaning, respectively, 10, 100, and 1000, and deci, centi, and milli, meaning, respectively, one-tenth, one-hundredth, and one-thousandth.

https://www.nist.gov/pml/owm/metric-si-prefixes

Etymology helps to explain why you make your error, but it remains an error. Drawing examples from outside metrology (eg 'centipede') just makes you look like you don't understand the context in which you are working - a common trait in stupidity.

For that matter, in the first place, there's nothing wrong with looking outside metrology for evidence of word meaning -- net worth estimates aren't metrology either. In the second place, Swami also offered the example of "centennial" from the Latin "centum" "annus", meaning "hundred" "year", and that is metrology. And in the third place, if "centibillionaire" really were metrology it would not mean someone with tens of millions of dollars, but something quite different. As the infamous Mrs. Green might put it...

[Points at Oprah Winfrey] Class, this is a billionaire.
[Bites Oprah's hand off] This is one one-hundredth of a billionaire. [Opens mouth showing children the hand]
Now you've had fractions.
​

There are exactly no consistent and complete metrologies in which the prefix "centi-" means a hundred, rather than a hundredth.

There are exactly no consistent and complete metrologies, full stop. If SI were complete it would have a unit for typing speed. So setting completeness aside...

Google says "Words describing recurring time intervals based on the Latin suffix -ennial (years) include triennial (3 years), quadrennial (4 years), quinquennial (5 years), octennial (8 years), decennial (10 years), centennial (100 years), and millennium (1,000 years)." Looks kind of like a consistent metrology to me.

 

[TSwizzle]

From a guy that has never had a real job

LOS ANGELES — Blasting billionaires as “oligarchs” whose “greed and arrogance and moral turpitude” threatens American society, Bernie Sanders rallied support here Wednesday night for a proposed wealth tax roiling politics in California. “Do you know what the most significant addiction crisis in America is today? It is the greed of the billionaire class,” the Vermont senator and progressive champion told a boisterous crowd in a blistering speech at the Wiltern Theatre in the city’s Koreatown section.

Politico

 

[TV and credit cards]

I wondered about Swammi’s use of “centibillionaire” then I read the Jeff Bezos example and I perfectly understood it in the context in which it was presented and gave not one iota of a damn of its proper usage.
Beyond that, there is some benefit to clarity and preciseness when getting one’s message across.

 

[ZiprHead]

 

[bilby]

Dude! You're the one who brought up SI and presented centi's SI meaning as your authority!

No, NIST did that. They correctly described the meaning, but incorrectly described it as a part of SI. Americans frequently confuse the various metric systems, probably because they barely grasp that any exist, and are utterly baffled by the idea that there might be more than one.

The minor error of using "SI" and "metric" as synonyms is not the point at issue, so I quoted NIST who, despite their minor error on that point, at least got the prefix values right.

 

[bilby]

For that matter, in the first place, there's nothing wrong with looking outside metrology for evidence of word meaning -- net worth estimates aren't metrology either.

There's something wrong with looking outside metrology for metrological terms though.

In the second place, Swami also offered the example of "centennial" from the Latin "centum" "annus", meaning "hundred" "year", and that is metrology.

Cent- isn't centi- though, is it?

 

[bilby]

Don’t worry: I am fully expecting to be excoriated.

I don’t give a shit.

I think you overestimate how seriously I take all of this.

The neologism gives me the shits every time I see it, and I will argue against it every time I do. But I am not a prescriptivist, and understand that utterly stupid shit like this nevertheless becomes a part of English. I don't have to like it or allow it to happen without comment, though.

My feeling is that if Americans are going to abuse the language (and they have and do on myriad levels), the least they could do is to avoid abusing metric measures until they have learned how metric systems work, and stopped using their insane imperial system (Which, by the way, they should definitely refrain from calling "English", which it is not - An English pint of water weights a pound and a quarter).

 

[Bomb#20]

For that matter, in the first place, there's nothing wrong with looking outside metrology for evidence of word meaning -- net worth estimates aren't metrology either.

There's something wrong with looking outside metrology for metrological terms though.

What makes you think "centibillionaire" is a metrological term? People don't get called it based on a measurement. Michael Bloomberg is reputedly a centibillionaire, because of his 88% ownership of a company that doesn't even have a share price and that nobody in his right mind would pay $114 billion for. Prices are determined by supply and demand; if he put all his stake on the market the increase in supply would drive down what people would be willing to pay. Calling him a centibillionaire means some analyst guesses that if he offered 1% of his part of the company for sale he'd probably find somebody willing to give him a bit over $1 billion for it, and statisticians extrapolate that guess to 100% knowing full well the extrapolation would fail epically. That's shared fiction, not measurement.

In the second place, Swami also offered the example of "centennial" from the Latin "centum" "annus", meaning "hundred" "year", and that is metrology.

Cent- isn't centi- though, is it?

You figure real estate is measured in hectoares, I take it?

 

[Toni]

I’m fully versed in the metric system.

And Emily Post.

Americans hardly abuse the language more than Australians or Indians or Canadians or the British. Language is a living thing. Within just my state alone are multiple dialects. Traveling from one region to the next, from rural to suburban to uptown and downtown and midtown, across classes and generations, words morph
And change meaning. There are even layers of meaning depending on circumstances.

But go ahead: argue with dictionaries. I think your shrimp is burning on the barbie.

 

[Elixir]

From a guy that has never had a real job

... and works at it harder than you work at finding reasons to call Newsom "insufferable prick".
And way harder and way longer than I ever worked at anything. Bernie has been a professional elected official for over 40 years.
Who else do you know who has done that and isn't good at it? (Obviously you were never an elected official or you'd have some idea of the work involved.)

Maybe you simply prefer elected officials who stink at the job, like Trump.
Just out of curiosity if you don't mind... long did you ever stay at a career, Swiz?