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Biden loses by 5 to Trump while an unnamed, generic Democrat beats Trump by 8

Reporting says people are dissatisfied with the way the economy is going, and Biden is behind in swing sates.

His stand on Israel my be working against him on the left.

Trump's legal troubles do not appear to affect his support. In the first campaign Christians would say yea he has moral issues, but he supports my political and religious issues.

If the secret service body guards has let him go to the riot as he wanted and he was videoed among the crowd things might be different.

There are suits to prevent Trump from running in several states based on the post Civil War insurrection act. that prohibits an insurrectionist from being president.
 
I think Biden will lose big time.

Biden is using the old democrat cliches. Pro union and his obvious pandering by showng up at a strike.
Why is it a cliche and pandering when the support is real?
 


Why are polls that show Biden beating Trump never getting any publicity?
 
I think Biden will lose big time.

Biden is using the old democrat cliches. Pro union and his obvious pandering by showng up at a strike.
Uh, Trump showed up at the same strike, he just had jack shit to say about any of it. Talk about selective tv watching habits!
 
Anyway, after all of that, "Sleepy Joe" Biden won by a wide margin.

No. He did NOT. He won the popular vote by a wide margin, but that's irrelevant. His electoral-vote margin may seem largish, but when you look at the swing states, this was actually one of the very closest elections in American history. If Trump got another 5230 votes in AZ, 10,350 votes in WI and 5890 votes in GA, there'd have been a 269-269 electoral tie; IIRC this would have kept Trump in the White House.
Is Biden a lock for 2024? No, and we shouldn't treat it as such. Yet the election is still a year off. The polling is not something I'd put a lot of stock in at this point. Will Trump be the nominee? That's almost a guarantee. He's very confident. So confident, in fact, that he spent his morning throwing a very public temper tantrum in his fraud trial. In between now and next year he's going to have at least one more trial (Cannon seems open to moving hers past the election, Chutkin is not) and that will no doubt have an impact.

Trump is one of the most obvious criminals since Al Capone, yet is leading the polls. This says much that is very discouraging and frightening about Americans.
He lost the popular vote in 2016, lost "bigly" to Biden in 2020, and for the next year his legal troubles are going to be front and center. He is the albatross around their party's neck. The only question that remains is whether or not he will take down the ship before it arrives at a safe harbor.
He did NOT lose bigly in 2020. Biden won the POPULAR vote by 4.5%, but the way the Electoral votes are stacked, that edge is needed just to break even.
 
Reporting says people are dissatisfied with the way the economy is going, and Biden is behind in swing sates.

It's Republicans who are dissatisfied with the economy, not Americans in general.

Economic gloom is all about Republicans


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It's very curious how the day that Biden takes office Republicans decide the economy is in the crapper and hasn't improved one itty-bitty bit ever since.

Why do you suppose they all think that?
 
Reporting says people are dissatisfied with the way the economy is going
Reporting is telling people that they should be dissatisfied with the way the economy is going.

Media moguls are FAR further right, politically, than the general public; And they have been dragging public opinion rightward for several decades now.

The power wielded by the media is in desperate need of being reigned in, though its difficult to see how that can be done without the cure being worse than the disease.

Rupert Murdoch has arguably more power than whoever occupies the Oval Office; But his name has never appeared on any ballot paper. As a society, we shouldn't tolerate any individual amassing such power without a democratic means to remove them if, as, and when they become damaging to our wellbeing.
 
If abortion is on the ballot in Arizona, how does Trump win Arizona?
If Dems fail to saddle Trump with the title “RvW Killer”, the deserve to lose. Not just in AZ, but EVERYWHERE.
Don't have to saddle Trump with anything. The GOP needs to be saddled 105% with it. Roberts, Alito, Thomas, the GOP started this in the 80s. and W pushed through Roberts and Alito, and then McConnell stole a seat that went to Gorsich. Fuck Trump, this is about the entire right-wing. None of them can be trusted.
The list of MAGA Republicans is growing. No matter what happens to Trump, the movement is only going to get bigger.

The non-Maga Republican party has failed to suppress or subordinate the Maga movement, and as a result the whole party will be taken over by that movement. The Democrats have no idea how to beat Maga either - they're a deeply uninspiring group of people.
 
The Democrats have no idea how to beat Maga either - they're a deeply uninspiring group of people.
I think it would be more accurate to say Democrats are inept at asymmetrical warfare. They can (and do) “beat MAGA” in any fair fight, but they’re unwilling to go low enough to beat them at their own game.
 
Reporting says people are dissatisfied with the way the economy is going, and Biden is behind in swing sates.

It's Republicans who are dissatisfied with the economy, not Americans in general.

Economic gloom is all about Republicans


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It's very curious how the day that Biden takes office Republicans decide the economy is in the crapper and hasn't improved one itty-bitty bit ever since.

Why do you suppose they all think that?
People interpret reality based upon their values and not actual facts.
 
I think Biden will lose big time.

Biden is using the old democrat cliches. Pro union and his obvious pandering by showng up at a strike.
And yet everyone says Hillary Clinton lost because she failed to pander. “She’s never even went to Wisconsin, she tried to get Georgia” and “Iowa caucuses matter because they get to see the candidates” and of course “George Bush at ground zero”

So the “you’re pandering” effect seems to be much much smaller and less damaging than the “you failed to pander” effect.
 
The first rule is that voters have very short memories. A number of studies demonstrate that voters reward incumbents for economic growth or punish them for recessions based on what’s happened in the previous six months, sometimes even more recently than that. Voters don’t really assess presidents on whether they’re better off now than they were four years ago; the horizon is much closer than that. It’s not that voters don’t remember Trump’s presidency or the violent way it ended; it’s just that they increasingly care less about that than they do about more recent events.


The second rule is that elections are about the incumbent — even when the challenger was the incumbent not too long ago. Biden is trailing in these polls because he’s somewhat unpopular, with approval ratings hovering close to 40%, despite favorable economic conditions. People are dissatisfied with the country, and when they are, they take it out on the incumbent.

Why are they dissatisfied? A recent article in the Economist found that how the public views the economy has changed since 2020. The writers looked at the last 40 years of economic data and found that until recently, Americans’ impressions of the economy tracked very closely with the actual economic data. If the economy was slowing or unemployment was rising, voters had a sense of that and generally reported a worse impression of the economy. They also knew when it was turning around.

But since the COVID pandemic, there’s been a large and growing disconnect between how the economy is behaving and how Americans perceive it. Economic performance has been very strong recently, but Americans continue to say times are bad. Surveys about the economy found that Americans think the economy is worse now than it was during the stagflation of the early 1980s, the deep recession of 1990-91, the Great Recession of 2008, and more.



Although the precise cause of this difference between public perception and economic indicators isn’t clear, the breakdown of workplaces and a distrust of traditions and institutions — even in a period of low unemployment and strong growth — can all contribute to a strong feeling of insecurity and dread.

And because Joe Biden is president now, he bears the brunt of these fears.
 

Republican voters were oversampled in these polls​

The word “oversampled” doesn’t appear in either Shane Goldmacher’s writeup of the poll results or Nate Cohn’s writeup. However, if you open the actual dataset, look through it, and read the endnotes, a key fact should become immediately apparent: Republican voters were oversampled in these polls.

It’s irresponsible of the NYT to not state this upfront in all of its coverage. This is an important design choice that they made, and it ought to be explained.

The New York Times and its partners had to do a bunch of weighting because of their decision to do oversampling. Here is their explanation, which is only in the endnotes, not in any of the stories they’ve written so far about the poll. It’s long:

Weighting — registered voters
The survey was weighted by The Times using the R survey package in multiple steps to account for the oversample of Republican voters.
First, the samples were adjusted for unequal probability of selection by stratum.
Second, the six state samples were weighted separately to match voter file-based parameters for the characteristics of registered voters by state.
The following targets were used:
  • Party (party registration if available, else classification based on a model of vote choice in prior Times/Siena polls)
  • Age (Self-reported age, or voter file age if the respondent refuses)
  • Gender (L2 data)
  • Race or ethnicity (L2 model)
  • Education (four categories of self-reported education, weighted to match NYT-based targets derived from Times/Siena polls, census data and the L2 voter file)
  • Marital status (L2 model)
  • Home ownership (L2 model)
  • State regions (NYT classifications by county or city)
  • Turnout history (NYT classifications based on L2 data)
  • Vote method in the 2020 elections (NYT classifications based on L2 data)
  • Census block group density (A.C.S. 5‑Year Census Block Group data)
  • City type (Nevada only, added based on a post-hoc analysis of the difference between the weighted sample and voter file parameters. The weight had no meaningful effect on the topline result.)
  • Census tract educational attainment (Georgia only, added based on a post-hoc analysis of the difference between the weighted sample and voter file parameters. The weight had no meaningful effect on the topline result.)
Finally, the six state samples were balanced to each represent one-sixth of the sum of the weights.
Weighting — likely electorate
The survey was weighted by The Times using the R survey package in multiple steps to account for the oversample of Republican voters.
First, the samples were adjusted for unequal probability of selection by stratum.
Second, the first-stage weight was adjusted to account for the probability that a registrant would vote in the 2024 election, based on a model of turnout in the 2020 election.
Third, the six state samples were weighted separately to match targets for the composition of the likely electorate. The targets for the composition of the likely electorate were derived by aggregating the individual-level turnout estimates described in the previous step for registrants on the L2 voter file. The categories used in weighting were the same as those previously mentioned for registered voters.
Fourth, the initial likely electorate weight was adjusted to incorporate self-reported vote intention. The final probability that a registrant would vote in the 2024 election was four-fifths based on their ex ante modeled turnout score and one-fifth based on their self-reported intention, based on prior Times/Siena polls, including a penalty to account for the tendency of survey respondents to turn out at higher rates than nonrespondents. The final likely electorate weight was equal to the modeled electorate rake weight, multiplied by the final turnout probability and divided by the ex ante modeled turnout probability.
Finally, the six state samples were balanced to each represent one-sixth of the sum of the weights.
 
But since the COVID pandemic, there’s been a large and growing disconnect between how the economy is behaving and how Americans perceive it. Economic performance has been very strong recently, but Americans continue to say times are bad. Surveys about the economy found that Americans think the economy is worse now than it was during the stagflation of the early 1980s, the deep recession of 1990-91, the Great Recession of 2008, and more.
I don't think this is about Covid. Rather, this is about MAGA. They keep proclaiming how horrible things are, enough deplorables believe it.
 
Inflation. It is new to people like me and older people don't like it.

Biden is getting HW'd for the most part. I can't figure out RFK Jr, other than a busted poll. How can a person with 35 approval, 30 disapproval have a 25% polling among Trump and Biden?
 
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