Black Jogger Gunned Down In The Street

[Jimmy Higgins]

He was hoping to be an electrician. I don't see him look around for tools but look instead at studs, etc. where he might be looking at electrical work.

Is there video I'm unaware of? I saw him enter the building and leave. Couldn't see what he was doing. And if he was looking at the electrical work... what is the need to dart away from the building?

From my link:

Assault is also any intentional act or threat of action that reasonably causes a person to feel afraid of impending violence. Threatening to beat up someone or to “break your arm,” when said in a menacing or angry manner, is assault if it appears that the assailant has the ability to carry out the threat and the victim believes or could reasonably believe that he is about to be struck or injured.

Aubery would only have considered they were trying to make a citizen's arrest if a) he had done anything criminal in nature and b) if his murderers had actually said: We're making a citizen's arrest and holding you here until the police arrive.

He had to be witnessed committing a FELONY for it to be legal for a citizens arrest. I don't know if a citizen's arrest while armed is legal (though the asshole DA didn't see anything wrong with it). Even if the guy had stolen something (he didn't), that doesn't elevate to a felony (well... this is Georgia... ???), so yes, the attempted apprehension while armed is undoubtedly assault!

And that is ignoring the whole pulling the trigger (3 times) thing.

 

[Elixir]

Ya know, that he wasn't jogging and that the father and son were criminally reckless can both be true.

That he wasn't jogging and that the father and son were racist bastards committing a heinous hate crime known as premeditated murder-1, can both be true.
Or, as a libberpublican might say - they were possibly criminally negligent in their pursuit of justice.

Well, not premeditated murder.

Can't be both premeditated murder and not jogging? Because you say it can't?

Typical libberpublican bullshit.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Well, not premeditated murder.

Well, it is nice that in this instance of grossly unnecessary and illegal violence, that the shooter(s) are not being defended.

 

[Trausti]

Well, not premeditated murder.

Can't be both premeditated murder and not jogging? Because you say it can't?

Typical libberpublican bullshit.

Do you not understand what premeditation means?

 

[Koyaanisqatsi]

The video shows him clearly not running

The video doesn't show anything clearly. Regardless, at best, it shows someone walking into frame. What he may (or may not) have been doing prior is unknown, as is the identity of anyone in that video.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

The video shows him clearly not running

The video doesn't show anything clearly.

He isn't running. That is clear.

Regardless, at best, it shows someone walking into frame. What he may (or may not) have been doing prior is unknown, as is the identity of anyone in that video.

I just saw the video that I think Toni was referring too. The investigators are spilling a ton of video to the press showing the guy in the place. The one thing that the video doesn't show him doing is stealing anything. I've got to imagine that contractors don't like to leave anything hanging around, as stuff manages to grow legs and run away.

What gets me is that the video shows the guy walking into the place during the day, it is about a few seconds of footage and that is all. What gets me is that there is virtually no investigation when the DAs are sweeping this under the rug... and now the same people appear to be working hard to defend the shooters.

 

[laughing dog]

Well, not premeditated murder.

Can't be both premeditated murder and not jogging? Because you say it can't?

Typical libberpublican bullshit.

Do you not understand what premeditation means?

The video cannot show premeditation, but that does not mean there was not premeditation. So far, there is no evidence of premeditation.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Do you not understand what premeditation means?

The video cannot show premeditation, but that does not mean there was not premeditation. So far, there is no evidence of premeditation.

Other than grabbing the guns. You can't intend to shoot someone if you don't grab yer guns. That is just a piece of evidence though and does not make the case alone.

 

[Trausti]

Premeditation means that they intended to kill him. Then they would have just shot him. They were clearly trying to stop him. They did not have a legal right to do that. They created a situation with a high risk a person would be seriously injured or killed.

 

[Derec]

Now armed black supremacists are marching in Glynn County...

 

[Derec]

He was hoping to be an electrician. I don't see him look around for tools but look instead at studs, etc. where he might be looking at electrical work.

Trying to steal copper wiring maybe?

 

[Derec]

Young white people doing it, "Boys will be boys".

Young black people doing it, "THUGS!!!""just a jogger"

FIFY

 

[blastula]

Now armed black supremacists are marching in Glynn County...

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LIBERATE GEORGIA!

 

[Derec]

Bad things continue to happen to black people all their lives.

And no bad things happen to non-black people?

Including, apparently, being shot for running in the wrong neighborhood if you are black.

Most black people get shot by other black people.
And as for interracial killings, more than twice as many black people kill white people than vice versa, according to FBI.

But due to propaganda by the media and people like you, most people believe that blacks are somehow hunted by whites, which simply is not true!

Because you are presumed to have committed a crime. Because you are black.

Nobody is presumed to have committed a crime just because they are black.
More senseless propaganda by you.

Because you are presumed to be violent. Because you are black.

Again, nobody is presuming that. What is true is that black people have a far higher rate of violent crime, including murder, than white people.

Because you are presumed to be on welfare. Because you are black.

Again, nobody is presuming that.

As if being on welfare were a crime because as it happens, most welfare recipients (even discounting corporate welfare) are not black. Or brown. They're white.

Misleading. The raw numbers are only bigger because of much bigger population size. The per capita numbers tell a different, and more accurate story.

And btw, they're children. At least we're not gunning down children. Oh, wait: we are. Black children are not allowed to play in a public park without being shot down by police.

Tens of millions of children play (ok, played before the pandemic) in public parks every day. One got shot because he was playing with a realistic looking replica of a semiautomatic handgun and you tryto make some hay out of it. Just like the rest of your rant, this is very insincere.

Because you are presumed to be lying. Because you're black.

Same nonsense, recycled.

Because you are presumed to be older than you are if you are a child and stronger and faster and more impervious to pain. Because you are black.

If you are still on Tamir Rice, he was objectively much taller (5'7") and heavier (195 lbs) than a typical 12 year old. His height was above 95th percentile for height and 65 fucking pounds above 95th percentile for weight, according to this chart.
He wasn't thought to be older because he was black but because he was huge.

Because you are assumed to have gotten a job/scholarship/seat at a school because you are black and not because you are a well qualified candidate.

An easy way to remedy that is end the practice (commonly if somewhat misleadingly called "affirmative action") of giving people jobs/sholarships/seats at schools based on their race and not based on merit and qualifications.

 

[laughing dog]

He was hoping to be an electrician. I don't see him look around for tools but look instead at studs, etc. where he might be looking at electrical work.

Trying to steal copper wiring maybe?

I know people who wander into construction sites to look at how things are done. But you have to assume this black guy was looking to commit a crime. Disgraceful.

 

[Derec]

A solid police force would get warrant to get computer specialist to try and extract more video from the filmer.

Unless the camera was running and the video was deleted, you will not be able to get more.

On the other hand, should rhe police have searched the home of the deceased for possible stolen property from previous burglaries in that area?

Most definitely!

For what fucking reason?

Well, most obviously to return any stolen property to its rightful owners. Would you not want stolen property be returned?
Secondly, if he was stealing, it would dispel the false narrative that he was "just a jogger" who was killed (or "lynched" as our race-baiting mayor said recently) "for being black".

 

[Derec]

I know people who wander into construction sites to look at how things are done. But you have to assume this black guy was looking to commit a crime. Disgraceful.

Not assuming. I said maybe. And I was not speculating because he was black, but because a) he was a thief, with a recent theft conviction from 2018 and b) reportedly stuff was stolen from that very site earlier. Probably why the owner put in the camera.

 

[Jokodo]

I know people who wander into construction sites to look at how things are done. But you have to assume this black guy was looking to commit a crime. Disgraceful.

Not assuming. I said maybe. And I was not speculating because he was black, but because a) he was a thief, with a recent theft conviction from 2018 and b) reportedly stuff was stolen from that very site earlier. Probably why the owner put in the camera.

I didn't realise they had the death penalty for stealing a shovel in Georgia

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

He was hoping to be an electrician. I don't see him look around for tools but look instead at studs, etc. where he might be looking at electrical work.

Trying to steal copper wiring maybe?

I know people who wander into construction sites to look at how things are done. But you have to assume this black guy was looking to commit a crime. Disgraceful.

This is new construction. What is he going to steal, PVC plumbing and fiber optic cable?!

Thief: Hey man... I've got cable here. What is worth?

Scrapper: It is a glass strand... it isn't worth shit.

Thief: But because of Snell's Law, this can communicate substantial amount of data at the speed of light!

Scrapper: Well, go find that Snell guy and sell it to him.

 

[Derec]

We generally also don't use it to smear them when bad things are done to them. Why should race be treated differently?

It should not. Smearing means using false information. Pointing that somebody suspected of theft is actually a thief is not a smear.

I mean shit, I have 'telecommunications fraud' and 'disorderly conduct', and 'posession THC' buried somewhere in my past; sure, my record has been cleared since (hell, I've had a security clearance since!), But you can be sure as hell that if I was black and someone lynched me, you and the rest of them would be smearing me like "he had it coming, he was a criminal!"

Abery's theft conviction was mere two years ago.

Thankfully, though, I'm white so I don't have to worry about that.

Are you sure about that? There are armed black supremacists running around.

The fact that people bring up "but he's Time Traveling Hitler so it's ok!" Doesnt apply if the shooter couldn't prove in the moment that they were assaulting time traveling Hitler. No, a mustache is not enough evidence to establish time traveling Hitler in the moment.

Huh?