Black Panther will lead to more diversity, which could be both good and bad

[Derec]

As an aside, here's something on CNN discussing some of the same basic ideas that we've been going through concerning Hispanic and Asian American representation at the Oscars. I pretty much backs up what I've seen - black people, and particularly black men, have done well. Other groups...well...

Didn't Shape of Water and Coco win this year?
#OscarsSoMexican

P.S.: Coco is a Grim Fandango ripoff anyway.
P.P.S.: Does anybody really believe these Oscars were not given to Mexicans because of Left's obsession with allowing all of Mexico to illegally immigrate into US and get amnesty? Especially given Common's pro-illegal rant?

 

[Derec]

Clearly, you think of 'diversity' in the same way as the people who make our annual DIVERSITY AND INCLUSION corporate training products. Where every single shot of an office, warehouse, manufacturing line, or locker room has to include a multiplicity of genders, cultures, and, if at all possible to convey by casting, religions.

More like pepople who praise BP for being "diverse" think of diversity as "the fewer white people, the greater the diversity". It's the "HBCUs are so diverse because they are 95% black" translated to Hollywood.

If the studios are asking for 'diverse' hero movies, they're looking for movies that appeal to a wider range of interests than they had previous. That doesn't mean examples of this new 'diversity' need to look like a training video at every shot, or even more than half of the time, in order to be part of this move towards diversity.

But majority white moves have to do just that to be green-lit these days. It's a double standard. Invisible Girl's brother had to be cast as Michael B. Jordan but Jennifer Lawrence (for example) did not have to be cast as Shuri. A Norse god had to be cast as a black man to tick off "diversity" boxes but no such changes had to be made to make Black Panther more diverse.

 

[Jayjay]

It would have been interesting if one of the wakandans had been white. No explanation, just one white guy among the soldiers or people dressed like everyone else. What's his story? How did he get there?

 

[Derec]

You used the "SJW" term. You're definitely triggered.

You are confused. It is SJWs who are constantly triggered.

I won't say more about "Latinx". I just think it looks stupid.

If your argument holds water, then that must mean that white people think that the Matrix is real. Do you think that The Matrix was a documentary describing real events? Why do you suppose white people are like that?

Are white teachers having lessons on the history of the human-machine war? Citation needed.

 

[blastula]

It's diverse because it has more minorities than most movies. If it has mostly minorities, that means it's more diverse.

 

[blastula]

P.P.S.: Does anybody really believe these Oscars were not given to Mexicans because of Left's obsession with allowing all of Mexico to illegally immigrate into US and get amnesty? Especially given Common's pro-illegal rant?

I believe Shape was the best movie. That the win is triggering anti-immigrant snowflakes is just a nice side benefit.

 

[Keith&Co.]

More like pepople who praise BP for being "diverse" think of diversity as "the fewer white people, the greater the diversity".

Damn, but you're taking this personally.
That's not what i'm saying, but if that's what you hear, then you gotta be you.

But majority white moves have to do just that to be green-lit these days.

Dude, maybe you missed it, but this thread is not about the status quo, but a possible future. 'These days' is N/A, except that Derec wants to talk about the same thing Derec always talks about: black racism.

Eh. Boring.

 

[Keith&Co.]

You used the "SJW" term. You're definitely triggered.

You are confused. It is SJWs who are constantly triggered.

Logic failure. Even if SJWs are constantly triggered, that does not mean you can't be.
Kind of a strawman defense...

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

P.P.S.: Does anybody really believe these Oscars were not given to Mexicans because of Left's obsession with allowing all of Mexico to illegally immigrate into US and get amnesty? Especially given Common's pro-illegal rant?

I believe Shape was the best movie. That the win is triggering anti-immigrant snowflakes is just a nice side benefit.

I agree with Derec. That was also the reason The Actor won, to get all those illegal French to the US.

 

[Mumbles]

Clearly, you think of 'diversity' in the same way as the people who make our annual DIVERSITY AND INCLUSION corporate training products. Where every single shot of an office, warehouse, manufacturing line, or locker room has to include a multiplicity of genders, cultures, and, if at all possible to convey by casting, religions.

More like pepople who praise BP for being "diverse" think of diversity as "the fewer white people, the greater the diversity". It's the "HBCUs are so diverse because they are 95% black" translated to Hollywood.

Well, no, not at all. It's assumed that neither HBCUs or PWIs (look it up) were "diverse" in the past due to legal and extra-legal segregation. A single movie can only have so many lead actors/actresses, and a movie set in an isolationist, xenophobic African super-country isn't going to have the same racial composition as the US. WHen people say "diversity in Hollywood", they're referring, again, to leads, directors, music, and so forth, across movies - often down to roles like hairdressers, studios used, lighting (yes, it does become obvious when the people doing lighting have no clue how to work with different skin colors), scriptwriting and the like.

 

[Jayjay]

To me it seems that the discussion of diversity in Hollywood is rather insular. We are already seeing that major blockbusters are being catered not to American market, but to China, and it's beginning to have major impact on what kind of stories are told and who is cast. So it'll actually be interesting to see how Black Panther does in the Chinese box office compared to other Marvel movies? If it does as well, great... skin color doesn't affect ratings as long as the movie is passable. But if it does considerably worse, that's it for the diversity fad.

 

[Tom Sawyer]

To me it seems that the discussion of diversity in Hollywood is rather insular. We are already seeing that major blockbusters are being catered not to American market, but to China, and it's beginning to have major impact on what kind of stories are told and who is cast. So it'll actually be interesting to see how Black Panther does in the Chinese box office compared to other Marvel movies? If it does as well, great... skin color doesn't affect ratings as long as the movie is passable. But if it does considerably worse, that's it for the diversity fad.

I don't think so. It's already one of the top grossing Marvel movies after just a few weeks and it hasn't even opened in China yet. It's easily going to bring in over a billion in revenue without even considering that market, so having the Chinese like it too brings a decent additional bonus to the executives' paycheques, but that country isn't a deal breaker for more diverse films.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

I think the bigger issue is how can Hollywood help to close the rift between people like Derec who want to see... I guess movies that only have an equal proportion of actors/crew relative to the population of the US. Can we make Derec's dream a reality?

 

[Politesse]

To me it seems that the discussion of diversity in Hollywood is rather insular. We are already seeing that major blockbusters are being catered not to American market, but to China, and it's beginning to have major impact on what kind of stories are told and who is cast. So it'll actually be interesting to see how Black Panther does in the Chinese box office compared to other Marvel movies? If it does as well, great... skin color doesn't affect ratings as long as the movie is passable. But if it does considerably worse, that's it for the diversity fad.

A lot of movies that were flops here do well overseas; that doesn't change industry opinion of them usually.

 

[Underseer]

To me it seems that the discussion of diversity in Hollywood is rather insular. We are already seeing that major blockbusters are being catered not to American market, but to China, and it's beginning to have major impact on what kind of stories are told and who is cast. So it'll actually be interesting to see how Black Panther does in the Chinese box office compared to other Marvel movies? If it does as well, great... skin color doesn't affect ratings as long as the movie is passable. But if it does considerably worse, that's it for the diversity fad.

So telling stories from any perspective other than a white male perspective is a "fad"?

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To me it seems that the discussion of diversity in Hollywood is rather insular. We are already seeing that major blockbusters are being catered not to American market, but to China, and it's beginning to have major impact on what kind of stories are told and who is cast. So it'll actually be interesting to see how Black Panther does in the Chinese box office compared to other Marvel movies? If it does as well, great... skin color doesn't affect ratings as long as the movie is passable. But if it does considerably worse, that's it for the diversity fad.

A lot of movies that were flops here do well overseas; that doesn't change industry opinion of them usually.

World of Warcraft did well in China but terrible in America, but there is speculation that we'll see a sequel just based on China's reaction.