BOTH SIDES

[Bomb#20]

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Dems More Likely to Think Celebrating Public Figure's Death Acceptable—Poll

A new poll shows a sharp partisan divide over reactions to political violence, with Democrats more likely than Republicans to say it is acceptable to celebrate the death of a public figure.

A YouGov poll conducted on September 11 among 2,623 adults found that 11 percent of Democrats said it is "always" or "usually" acceptable to celebrate the death of a public figure they oppose, compared to 6 percent of Republicans.

Meanwhile, 71 percent of Democrats and 89 percent of Republicans said it is "usually" or "always" unacceptable.

Put me in that 71% camp.

Put me under... "What type of stupid ques... I was eating lunch and picked up the phone because I've got a lot of projects going on at the moment and I'm getting calls from unfamiliar places, so I need to pick up just in case... and you are being paid by someone to ask if I think it is usually not okay to celebrate the death of something. What the fuck does that even mean, 'usually not okay'?! If someone thinks it is definitely not okay to say celebrate a death, they'd say 'always', but if they say 'usually'... that means they are celebrating some public deaths. That isn't a moral stand, it is an asterisk!

And what does it mean to celebrate in the first place? It is one thing to have mixed feelings or think the world might be better if a public figure was no longer here, but are we asking whether cake is served?"

 

[TV and credit cards]

Dems More Likely to Think Celebrating Public Figure's Death Acceptable—Poll

A new poll shows a sharp partisan divide over reactions to political violence, with Democrats more likely than Republicans to say it is acceptable to celebrate the death of a public figure.

A YouGov poll conducted on September 11 among 2,623 adults found that 11 percent of Democrats said it is "always" or "usually" acceptable to celebrate the death of a public figure they oppose, compared to 6 percent of Republicans.

Meanwhile, 71 percent of Democrats and 89 percent of Republicans said it is "usually" or "always" unacceptable.

Put me in that 71% camp.

Put me under... "What type of stupid ques... I was eating lunch and picked up the phone because I've got a lot of projects going on at the moment and I'm getting calls from unfamiliar places, so I need to pick up just in case... and you are being paid by someone to ask if I think it is usually not okay to celebrate the death of something. What the fuck does that even mean, 'usually not okay'?! If someone thinks it is definitely not okay to say celebrate a death, they'd say 'always', but if they say 'usually'... that means they are celebrating some public deaths. That isn't a moral stand, it is an asterisk!

And what does it mean to celebrate in the first place? It is one thing to have mixed feelings or think the world might be better if a public figure was no longer here, but are we asking whether cake is served?"

Could have been worse. They could have gone to UVM and asked the question of people as they were running away in a panic.


Well I gave the story an honest shot. I actually went to the Newsweek link and started reading the article. I got this far:

He added: "People tend to tell pollsters what's on the top of their mind at the moment... Of course people have strong opinions about political violence in the hours after a political attack. Those opinions will fade and shift with time."

Ya think?
So why the fuck are you bothering?

 

[thebeave]

Dems More Likely to Think Celebrating Public Figure's Death Acceptable—Poll

A new poll shows a sharp partisan divide over reactions to political violence, with Democrats more likely than Republicans to say it is acceptable to celebrate the death of a public figure.

A YouGov poll conducted on September 11 among 2,623 adults found that 11 percent of Democrats said it is "always" or "usually" acceptable to celebrate the death of a public figure they oppose, compared to 6 percent of Republicans.

Meanwhile, 71 percent of Democrats and 89 percent of Republicans said it is "usually" or "always" unacceptable.

Perhaps the right-wingers who end up dying or getting killed are just far more despicable and evil than the leftwingers.

I wonder if the poll had been taken a week earlier if the results would have been similar.

A sensible question to ask. Do you have thoughts on HOW an earlier poll might differ, and why? Would the disparity between R & D's be greater, the same or perhaps reversed?

 

[steve_bank]

Property damage.

Truly the left is far more violent.

My sides!

Get it? Sides.

The kind of response that is fueling the violence.

I have said for a long time I do not see much diligence other than the ideology between the left and right.

In the news a California politician said she is glad the guy is dead.

There is a progressive flip side to MAGA. American self loathing instead of extreme patriotism.

We had a long running progressive on our city council who advocated taking down the the American system. She was quite explicit and was popular.

Takeyour pick. A radical left or a radical right regime. Both ideological and oppresve.

 

[Jarhyn]

So, do we have to wait until 2060 to look back and say it was a good ironic thing that one of the Nazi MAGA propaganda pieces got shot by a Groyper even further to the right than he was?

“It’s worth it to have a cost of, unfortunately, some gun deaths every single year so that we can have the Second Amendment.” - Charlie Kirk, 2023

 

[laughing dog]

Dems More Likely to Think Celebrating Public Figure's Death Acceptable—Poll

A new poll shows a sharp partisan divide over reactions to political violence, with Democrats more likely than Republicans to say it is acceptable to celebrate the death of a public figure.

A YouGov poll conducted on September 11 among 2,623 adults found that 11 percent of Democrats said it is "always" or "usually" acceptable to celebrate the death of a public figure they oppose, compared to 6 percent of Republicans.

Meanwhile, 71 percent of Democrats and 89 percent of Republicans said it is "usually" or "always" unacceptable.

Perhaps the right-wingers who end up dying or getting killed are just far more despicable and evil than the leftwingers.

I wonder if the poll had been taken a week earlier if the results would have been similar.

A sensible question to ask. Do you have thoughts on HOW an earlier poll might differ, and why? Would the disparity between R & D's be greater, the same or perhaps reversed?

I think asking such an ambiguous question (celebrate?) the day after the killing of a highly partisan figure biases the results.

I didn’t wish Mr Kirk dead. I have sympathy for his wife and sympathy plus relief for his children. I do wonder if the harm to his children from losing their dad is outweighed by their gain from losing exposure to his racist, sexist

 

[ideologyhunter]

Of course, then you have other kinds of violence. There is no equivalent on the Left to the Right wing's explicit calls for the mass killings of homeless people, the mentally ill, immigrants, drug lords, and our enemies abroad. Like this example from Brian Kilmeade on Wednesday morning:



If you don't want to watch the whole video, the whole quote is "Or uh just involuntary lethal injection or something—just kill them." Even Lawrence Jones, no shrinking violet himself, looked a little shocked when Kilmeade just rolled that out in the middle of a paragraph like mass murder is just another of several reasonable proposals for how to solve homelessness...

Brian Kilmeade isn't some obscure rightwing nutjob; he runs an eponymous radio program and as you can see is a co-host of Fox and Friends, one of the nation's most popular news programs and a frequent source of talking points that pepper the President's speeches the next day.

I can't even imagine a left-wing presenter suggesting on air the deaths of an entire demographic category of people. That just doesn't happen. They try to draw false equivalencies over things like support for Palestinian civilians but, well, no. Whatever you believe she may imply by this or that, Rachel Maddow doesn't just off and endorse the mass killing of Israelis while the cameras are rolling. She simply does not.

I googled as much as I could about this comment -- but it really sounds like the man on the left is making a speech about dangerous homeless and mentally ill people and Kilmeade is saying, lethal injection. I can't find even a whisper online of outrage or demands for his firing. Is he under any pressure at all to apologize? (I know, this is Fox.) My bet: if he does issue a statement, it will be to the effect that he meant only the dangerous mentally ill who murder others. Of course, that would still be advocating execution of the insane, and it would not reflect what he responded to, at the moment he made his comment. Kilmeade has always been the resident bonehead on F&F. When you can make Gretchen Carlson look like a scholar, you have a special quality. Bobby Moynihan used to play him in SNL skits, and it didn't take much to satirize his cluelessness.

 

[scombrid]

Property damage.

Truly the left is far more violent.

My sides!

Get it? Sides.

The kind of response that is fueling the violence.

I have said for a long time I do not see much diligence other than the ideology between the left and right.

In the news a California politician said she is glad the guy is dead.

There is a progressive flip side to MAGA. American self loathing instead of extreme patriotism.

We had a long running progressive on our city council who advocated taking down the the American system. She was quite explicit and was popular.

Takeyour pick. A radical left or a radical right regime. Both ideological and oppresve.

The whole right is radical, driven by the Heritage Foundation, and has all the money. Your one leftist councilman thought the whole system needed to come down but didn’t have any clout anywhere. But both sides are equally bad. The fucking Heritage Foundation is dismantling it right now but a trans person might want to use a bathroom that matches their presentation. And an immigrant worker doesn’t have papers. So we should let the Christianists have their way.

 

[scombrid]

Both sides. Mainstream conservative news just called for mass euthanasia. Both sides indeed.

Obama had five kids with three different women and sold shitty merch out of the White House? Yeah. Both sides.

Oh and who started us on this current political trajectory? DeVos and Vanandle, started this shit over 40 years ago when they bought their way into the Ford administration with their pyramid scheme earnings. That cancer has been metastasizing since Ray gun.

 

[Politesse]

There's plenty of outrage on the far "radical left" social media sphere, but I don't think Fox is worried about that. Calls for the execution of the homeless are becoming far more mainstream these days. The mayor of Lancaster CA caused some consternation last year when he proposed murdering his city's homeless with deliberately spiked fentanyl. Homeless csmps are also routinely set ablaze by vigilantes, often at obvious risk to surrounding homes.

Of course, then you have other kinds of violence. There is no equivalent on the Left to the Right wing's explicit calls for the mass killings of homeless people, the mentally ill, immigrants, drug lords, and our enemies abroad. Like this example from Brian Kilmeade on Wednesday morning:



If you don't want to watch the whole video, the whole quote is "Or uh just involuntary lethal injection or something—just kill them." Even Lawrence Jones, no shrinking violet himself, looked a little shocked when Kilmeade just rolled that out in the middle of a paragraph like mass murder is just another of several reasonable proposals for how to solve homelessness...

Brian Kilmeade isn't some obscure rightwing nutjob; he runs an eponymous radio program and as you can see is a co-host of Fox and Friends, one of the nation's most popular news programs and a frequent source of talking points that pepper the President's speeches the next day.

I can't even imagine a left-wing presenter suggesting on air the deaths of an entire demographic category of people. That just doesn't happen. They try to draw false equivalencies over things like support for Palestinian civilians but, well, no. Whatever you believe she may imply by this or that, Rachel Maddow doesn't just off and endorse the mass killing of Israelis while the cameras are rolling. She simply does not.

I googled as much as I could about this comment -- but it really sounds like the man on the left is making a speech about dangerous homeless and mentally ill people and Kilmeade is saying, lethal injection. I can't find even a whisper online of outrage or demands for his firing. Is he under any pressure at all to apologize? (I know, this is Fox.) My bet: if he does issue a statement, it will be to the effect that he meant only the dangerous mentally ill who murder others. Of course, that would still be advocating execution of the insane, and it would not reflect what he responded to, at the moment he made his comment. Kilmeade has always been the resident bonehead on F&F. When you can make Gretchen Carlson look like a scholar, you have a special quality. Bobby Moynihan used to play him in SNL skits, and it didn't take much to satirize his cluelessness.

There's plenty of outrage on the far "radical left" social media sphere, but I don't think Fox is worried about that. Calls for the execution of the homeless are becoming far more mainstream these days. The mayor of Lancaster CA caused some consternation earlier this year when he proposed murdering his city's homeless with deliberate overdoses of fentanyl.

 

[Shadowy Man]

Obama had five kids with three different women and sold shitty merch out of the White House? Yeah. Both sides.

You know what Obama really did though? He wore a tan suit FFS!!!

I don’t know how anyone can take the right seriously in their complaining when they’ve already jumped the shark. They’re such massive hypocrites I don’t even care what they say anymore. They have no intellectual integrity.

 

[ideologyhunter]

We all know Obama bowed WAY too deeply to the Saudis. And didn't he take a TWO BILLION DOLLAR payoff from them? Or was that someone else. I shoulda looked that up.

 

[ZiprHead]

 

[ZiprHead]

https://www.axios.com/2023/10/25/support-us-political-violence-prri-brookings-survey

 

[ZiprHead]

 

[Loren Pechtel]

I do have to admit that left wing perps are (apparently) more likely to produce lethal results, but not so much so that lethal results are not mainly the province of the right, because the number of lefty perps is so much lower.

There's probably some right wing vs things terrorism in there.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Dems More Likely to Think Celebrating Public Figure's Death Acceptable—Poll

A new poll shows a sharp partisan divide over reactions to political violence, with Democrats more likely than Republicans to say it is acceptable to celebrate the death of a public figure.

A YouGov poll conducted on September 11 among 2,623 adults found that 11 percent of Democrats said it is "always" or "usually" acceptable to celebrate the death of a public figure they oppose, compared to 6 percent of Republicans.

Meanwhile, 71 percent of Democrats and 89 percent of Republicans said it is "usually" or "always" unacceptable.

The nuts on the left do not tend to be nearly as vile as the nuts on the right.

 

[Politesse]

Dems More Likely to Think Celebrating Public Figure's Death Acceptable—Poll

A new poll shows a sharp partisan divide over reactions to political violence, with Democrats more likely than Republicans to say it is acceptable to celebrate the death of a public figure.

A YouGov poll conducted on September 11 among 2,623 adults found that 11 percent of Democrats said it is "always" or "usually" acceptable to celebrate the death of a public figure they oppose, compared to 6 percent of Republicans.

Meanwhile, 71 percent of Democrats and 89 percent of Republicans said it is "usually" or "always" unacceptable.

The nuts on the left do not tend to be nearly as vile as the nuts on the right.

Oh? I heard we were all antisemitic, communist murderers who hate freedom.

 

[Elixir]

Remember, the right wing is completely innocent and totally non-violent!

Fox News host on mentally ill people who commit crimes: “Just kill them”

www.mediamatters.org

That guy is already insane for saying just kill them,
Did he just ask someone to kill him?
That’s insane.