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Breakdown In Civil Order

This is now very common in California;

A mob of thieves made off with armfuls of designer handbags after ransacking the Yves Saint Laurent store at the Americana in Glendale Tuesday afternoon. Reports of the robbery came in just before 6 p.m. An employee at a nearby store told FOX 11 that a group of approximately 30 people walked in and raided the store. One worker nearby told FOX 11 that "all merchandise was taken in less than a minute."
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TSwizzle said:
It was bound to happen;
Two 7-Eleven workers in California took matters into their own hands and used a stick to wallop a man who tried to steal a trash can full of cigarettes. Shocking video of the attempted robbery shows one employee holding the thief down while his colleague relentlessly whacks him roughly 25 times. “Okay, okay!” the thief screams at his attacker while pleading for mercy. Before he was taken down by the retail workers, the robber had casually sauntered behind the California convenience store’s register with a 20-gallon trash can in tow. He nonchalantly grabs fistfuls of tobacco products — including cigarettes, cigars and vapes — and tosses them into the bin as the off-camera workers plead for him to stop.
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I don't think the store owner understood that providing the goods stolen is <$900 in value it's not a big deal.
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Days after a viral video showed a would-be thief get beaten by 7-Eleven clerks, Stockton police said they arrested that man after learning he was connected to multiple robberies and other crimes. The video that many have seen shows a man filling up a trash can full of cigarette packs. At some point, one 7-Eleven clerk pins that man, later identified as 42-year-old Tyrone Frazier, down to the ground while another clerk is seen beating Frazier with what appears to be a wooden pole. The police department said it later learned that the man was Frazier, who showed up in the viral video and was linked to multiple robberies at the 7-Eleven on Center Street. According to Stockton police crime logs, the first robbery happened July 28 around 3:40 a.m. The man, believed to be Frazier, went behind the counter and threatened to shoot an employee if he intervened. The person then took several packs of cigarettes and other items in a large garbage bag before leaving.
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So Tyrone Frazier appears to be a serial robber and threatened to shoot staff if they tried to stop him ransacking their store.


I don't condone the beating but it is understandable.
 
Politesse said:
What change are you proposing that would have prevented this from happening?
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Maybe prosecute them when arrested, instead of pretending that retail theft is not a big deal like George Gascon, Alvin Bragg and other fauxgressives believe.
 
Derec said:
Politesse said:
What change are you proposing that would have prevented this from happening?
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Maybe prosecute them when arrested, instead of pretending that retail theft is not a big deal like George Gascon, Alvin Bragg and other fauxgressives believe.
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These individuals would most certainly be prosecuted if arrested.
 
Derec said:
TomC said:
Similarly dreadful things happen in nearly all urban environments, including Houston and other red places.
Tom
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Houston is certainly not a "red place". They haven't had a Republican mayor since 1982.
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Why do you believe that so few city dwellers want to vote in Republicans, Derec?
 
Politesse said:
lpetrich said:
Politesse said:
lpetrich said:
I can't go that far, because of upper-middle-class and upper-class criminality. What makes some people do fraud schemes when they are already very comfortable?

But I think that the scope of incarceration can be greatly reduced, and saved for the likes of armed robbers.
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No, I do not support enslavement of the wealthy either. All citizens are deserving of certain fundamental rights, regardless of your opinion of their moral choicrs.
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What do you recommend, then?
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Abolishing slave labor, without exception. Ideally, by Constitutional amendment of the loophole that allowed for all of these abuses of power in the first place. You want someone to make a widget for you, you pay the same wages you would anyone else. I have similar feelings about the other abuses that occur in prisons - denial of medical care, denial of education, tolerance of rape and violence, torture as a means of behavioral correction or interrogation, etc. These inhuman methods harm our nation, and there is no evidence whatsoever that they reduce crime. Quite the opposite is true.
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That's not much of a solution. Try again.
 
lpetrich said:
Politesse said:
lpetrich said:
Politesse said:
lpetrich said:
I can't go that far, because of upper-middle-class and upper-class criminality. What makes some people do fraud schemes when they are already very comfortable?

But I think that the scope of incarceration can be greatly reduced, and saved for the likes of armed robbers.
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No, I do not support enslavement of the wealthy either. All citizens are deserving of certain fundamental rights, regardless of your opinion of their moral choicrs.
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What do you recommend, then?
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Abolishing slave labor, without exception. Ideally, by Constitutional amendment of the loophole that allowed for all of these abuses of power in the first place. You want someone to make a widget for you, you pay the same wages you would anyone else. I have similar feelings about the other abuses that occur in prisons - denial of medical care, denial of education, tolerance of rape and violence, torture as a means of behavioral correction or interrogation, etc. These inhuman methods harm our nation, and there is no evidence whatsoever that they reduce crime. Quite the opposite is true.
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That's not much of a solution. Try again.
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I do. Just about every campaign season. We've had some big successes as well, and not just in "liberal states". The American people may be slow to change, but fundamentally most people do grasp the moral problem with enslavement.

Also, did you really think "try again" was a substantive argument? Unless you present me with a coherent argument that substantively addresses mine, I don't see why you would want me to write anything further. Obviously, it would just be a repetition of the same post. You can stomp your foot all you like, for all the good it will do.
 
TSwizzle said:
This is now very common in California;

A mob of thieves made off with armfuls of designer handbags after ransacking the Yves Saint Laurent store at the Americana in Glendale Tuesday afternoon. Reports of the robbery came in just before 6 p.m. An employee at a nearby store told FOX 11 that a group of approximately 30 people walked in and raided the store. One worker nearby told FOX 11 that "all merchandise was taken in less than a minute."
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Cops can't instantly teleport to every crime scene. They have to get in their cars and drive to those locations.

One will have to think of other strategies.

More broadly, one should not assume that cops are always present and completely efficient at solving crimes. They aren't.
 
Derec said:
ZiprHead said:
Yet you always complain that someone with priors committing another crime should have been in jail.
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A lot of people are released too early. Esp. in places like California where judges order premature bulk releases because the government refuses to fund prisons.
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Judges are doing their job. They can't order the construction of enough prisons, they can keep the politicians from overloading the ones that exist.
 
repoman said:
So I watched a video of Indian or similar 7-eleven staff (or maybe franchise owners) beating the hell out of a surprisingly old black shoplifter who was putting cigarettes into a large garbage can.



I think that the total lack of prosecution is leading to this kind of overreaction.

Even if this shoplifter does not have hairline fractures in his shins the amount of bone bruising or bone compacting may affect him badly for the rest of his life.
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Shoplifter? He grabs for his knife multiple times during the incident. Thus I would class this as armed robbery, not shoplifting.

And if you're going to take on a robber that has a deadly weapon you go in hard.

I do agree that the lack of prosecution is relevant, there was no safety need to take the guy on. But if they're going to take him on I don't see their actions as overreaction.
 
thebeave said:
In before Politesse blames it on Republicans, asks what your plans are to fix it and/or says everything is fine. 😁
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I do not recall ever saying that "everything is fine". But I will certainly continue to point out that the Republicans are fundamentally useless twits who complain endlessly about the problems of the city, which they don't understand and are powerless to combat.
 
Derec said:
Video shows ‘mob’ steal up to $100,000 worth of items at Nordstrom in Los Angeles: Police

The video:


No surprise this took place in the city run by Karen Bass (who is a sympathizer of Fidel Castro as well as of the Nation of Islam) and the county where George Gascon is DA.

The voters had a chance to recall Gascon and elect somebody saner than Bass (i.e. Rick Caruso). I am yet again reminded of what H.L. Mencken said about democracy ...
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What actions or policies of Karen Bass caused this crime to occur, and what - specifically, please - should she do about it?
 
Derec said:
Recent SF leadership, like that of LA, has been an unmitigated disaster. Hopefully the residents grow some sense and throw the bums out in the next election.
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Are you claiming that different leadership would somehow stop the so called Doom Loop from happening? How?
 
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