Breakdown In Civil Order

[Derec]

Was Ricky Shiffer a "member" of Antifa?

He wasn't. Which means that had he been apprehended he would have been prosecuted to the full extent of the law, instead of being given a sweetheart deal like Colinford Mattis, Urooj Rahman or Montez Lee got.

Are you really so blindered that you fall for Hannity-Carlson lies, or by now do you just parrot their talking points reflexively, unconcerned about truth?

What are you babbling about? The FBI attack hadn't even happened when I wrote that post and you bringing up Shiffer was non-responsive to the bit of text you were ostensibly responding to. And I am not even watching Hannity or Carlson.

Are you really that blinded by your steady diet of MSNBC and Democracy Now!'s lies that you do not realize that #BLMers and Antifas are not getting prosecuted by many local DAs and are getting sweetheart deals by Garland's DOJ?

You've been told, over and over, that it is right-wing terrorists who pose by far the larger threat to America. This information comes from the FBI.

I disagree with FBI there. The unrest that started in 2014 and reached its crescendo in 2020 shows that is not the case. The right is not burning this bitch down every chance they get.

Or do you agree with Shiffer and others of your ilk that the FBI is now part of the Marxo-Islamic/Soros/AOC/Pedophile axis?

He isn't. But Willem van Sprossen certainly was. He attacked the ICE building three years ago.
Or look at the violence in 2020, in cities like Minneapolis, Portland, Atlanta, Seattle, New York etc. Including leftists actually occupying territory and proclaiming various "autonomous zones". Did any rightists do that recently?

 

[Derec]

The right wing terrorists, by and large, are not black.

A lot of the left-wing terrorists are though.
I understand it is not politically correct, not "woke", to acknowledge black extremists and terrorists.

 

[Derec]

One thing describes unruly people in a situation of civil unrest, and the other describes distinct terrorist acts committed against people for enforcing against acts of nuclear treason, sedition, and attempting to overthrow an election of a military superpower

Again, there are more than enough threads about your obsession about the former president. Please kindly take your obsessions there. Thank you.

 

[Derec]

The existence of vast numbers of currently active left wing terrorists, even if it were a real thing, would STILL not change in any way the fact that right wing terrorists are a threat to Americans, not excuse their terrorism, nor even suggest that resources spent on combating those right wing terrorists were misspent.

It's the opposite. The Left is using existence of right wing terrorists to pretend that there are no left wing terrorists too. They also ignore that left wingers who commit violence get sweetheart deals form the current DOJ.

 

[Derec]

I don't want to drag the whole thread off topic, but I definitely think there's room to ask whether an all-carrot-no-stick method would actually have worked. In a way, suburban white America chose the Civil Rights effort they were least afraid of. I don't think there's any guarantee, without Malcolm as the sacrificial counter-example, that King would ever have been beatified as the patron saint of reasonable Blackness.

The Left has embraced the extremism (and racism) of Malcolm Little more and more as time went on.

US really took a wrong turn on civil rights. Instead of moving toward a state where race is less and less important as time went on, the Left fully embraced identity politics and is emphasizing race in all matters. Left's embrace of racial preferences as a long term or even permanent fixture in college admissions and employment and abandonment of equality for so-called "equity" is part of that wrong turn.

 

[Swammerdami]

Oleg.

@ Oleg — There IS one way you can be useful here. How did you get fooled? Where did you get your URL?

If you do a simple search you’ll find it. Are you suggesting the FBI’s website has been compromised, or something? Really. Type in “FBI most wanted domestic terrorist.” Sorry to bust your narrative.

So, you're unwilling or unable to acknowledge that the page you linked too was, at best, obsolescent — the most recent crime mentioned in the several Wanted posters there was in 1984 — Thirty-eight years ago.

Got it.

 

[Politesse]

US really took a wrong turn on civil rights. Instead of moving toward a state where race is less and less important as time went on, the Left fully embraced identity politics and is emphasizing race in all matters. Left's embrace of racial preferences as a long term or even permanent fixture in college admissions and employment and abandonment of equality for so-called "equity" is part of that wrong turn.

What good does it do to pretend you have equality in a state where your lot on life is still heavily dependent on your skin color? Equality without equity is not meaningless, but it doesn't mean as much as having both, either.

 

[steve_bank]

Here in Seattle more police are leaving than being hired with the not unexpected loss of civil order. People know police are short handed and explot it.

A republican leader in congress are calling the FBI Gestapo ad some republicans are calling for the destruction of the FBI.


Why shoud I care,. I have my pizza, beer, video streaming sevice, video gaes.

In the words of .Alfred E Neuman. What me worry?.

 

[TSwizzle]

This is life in LA these days;

A group of brazen thieves were caught barging into a busy Los Angeles grocery store and stealing thousands of dollars worth of liquor as a security guard stood by idly. The shocking video shows a gang of robbers snatching bags and armloads filled with bottles from a store before fleeing out the exit into broad daylight, amid the county's woke District Attorney failing to be recalled.

Daily Mail

Unfortunately the recall effort on Gascon has stalled. Apparently 27% of the signatures needed to get the proposal on the ballot were rejected. Hmmm, 27% rejected, not suspicious at all.

ecall organizers needed to gather about 570,000 valid petition signatures to trigger an election. On Monday, the county registrar's office announced they only found 520,000 valid signatures out of the 710,000 that were submitted.

 

[Politesse]

not suspicious at all.

If they weren't suspicious, on what grounds were they rejected?

 

[TSwizzle]

not suspicious at all.

If they weren't suspicious, on what grounds were they rejected?

I don't have the details but there are various reasons for rejection. Things like not eligible to sign (not registered in LA County) the signature doesn't match and "other".

What is suspicious is that the number rejected closely matches the number required to prevent the recall going on the ballot.

 

[Jarhyn]

So, just saying this, but maybe the suspicious bit could be that the recall effort was not entirely on the up-and-up?

 

[Loren Pechtel]

This is life in LA these days;

A group of brazen thieves were caught barging into a busy Los Angeles grocery store and stealing thousands of dollars worth of liquor as a security guard stood by idly. The shocking video shows a gang of robbers snatching bags and armloads filled with bottles from a store before fleeing out the exit into broad daylight, amid the county's woke District Attorney failing to be recalled.

Daily Mail

Unfortunately the recall effort on Gascon has stalled. Apparently 27% of the signatures needed to get the proposal on the ballot were rejected. Hmmm, 27% rejected, not suspicious at all.

ecall organizers needed to gather about 570,000 valid petition signatures to trigger an election. On Monday, the county registrar's office announced they only found 520,000 valid signatures out of the 710,000 that were submitted.

No surprise. The QOP is the party of election fraud--signing fake names to a recall petition is to be expected. The chance of them being caught is basically zero, why not?

 

[Derec]

No surprise. The QOP is the party of election fraud

There is hardly any GOP in LA. More people than just Republicans despise Gascon.

--signing fake names to a recall petition is to be expected. The chance of them being caught is basically zero, why not?

I suspect rather that it is some shenanigans by the Gascon camp. He is the friend of the criminals of LA County, including and especially of the gangs.
Gang, Gun Charges Plummet Under DA Gascón, Sparking Debate Over Justice And Safety
I would not put something like that past him.

 

[Derec]

So, just saying this, but maybe the suspicious bit could be that the recall effort was not entirely on the up-and-up?

Or rather than Gascon is not on the up and up.

 

[Derec]

What good does it do to pretend you have equality in a state where your lot on life is still heavily dependent on your skin color?

The problem is that in order to get somewhere, you first have to start moving in that direction. For the last 50 or 60 years, US has been moving in the direction of entrenching racial categories, not in the direction of making them irrelevant. And the main culprit is the left, as the left supports keeping race as determinant of such things as who gets into what college or professional school or what language is acceptable for somebody to use. Or even what clothes or hair styles to wear in name of so called "cultural appropriation" -cwhich is, as are all these "equity" things applied very asymmetrically.

Equality without equity is not meaningless, but it doesn't mean as much as having both, either.

Nonsense. Equity is antithetical to equality. Equity is all about treating people differently based on characteristics such as race in order to advance equal distribution of outcomes. So if whites and Asians do better than blacks and hispanics, you discriminate on the basis of race and ethnicity against the former in favor of the latter in order to, in aggregate, an outcome that the left desires politically. Note that the converse does not happen. It is progressive to discriminate in favor of blacks for medical school admission, but it is not progressive to discriminate against blacks in areas where they are significantly overrepresented, such as the NBA.

Politesse, are you in favor of racial equity in the NBA?

Think of race relations right now. Do you think they are in any way good? They are a product of the wrong turn at Albuquerque from 50 or 60 years ago. Racial preferences, different standard for things like speech, excusing black criminality (aka "how he gonna get his money?") etc. are all what brought us here today. It is the bad choice road, and we need to get off it, and quickly. Unfortunately, the Biden administration, for all its pretense of moderation, is speeding along that road as we speak.

 

[Politesse]

The problem is that in order to get somewhere, you first have to start moving in that direction.

I find it ironic that we most certainly agree on this entire sentence, but almost nothing else in your post.

 

[steve_bank]

Equality is a myth.

Kids of pro athletes have a better chance of becoming pro athletes. The kids of Obama will have connections most will never have.

Justice and equality has come to man a statistical equality in all things. If a group is underrepresented in a field it must be due to injustce and we must get more of the group into the field.

To me 'all men are created equal' in the day meant no aristocratic privilege.

Of course it is not entirey true, th idea was a meritocracy where your genetic histry did not give you an avantage.

 

[Oleg]

Equality is a myth.

No. Equality under law is what we have, even though sometimes results seem otherwise. Equity is the antithesis of equality. Siblings raised in the same house do not equal abilities. Any policy that presumes to give equal outcomes for all in society is tyranny.

 

[Jarhyn]

Equality is a myth.

No. Equality under law is what we have, even though sometimes results seem otherwise. Equity is the antithesis of equality. Siblings raised in the same house do not equal abilities. Any policy that presumes to give equal outcomes for all in society is tyranny.

That said being equitable as regards treatment on dimensions upon which science has shown do not, in fact, have any real distinction in and of themselves, is equality under the law.

For example when auditioning as a concert musician, it is equitable treatment when the concert musician plays from behind a screen such that the evaluator knows nothing of them but their skill in performing the music.

It is not tyranny to require this equitable treatment.

It is also not tyranny to answer standing messages laid down in society that equitable treatment on such grounds shall be made unattainable for some, by mandating some measure of attainability for a time: It is not tyranny to answer past tyranny with a policy that is effectively an apology for past treatment.

It is tyranny of bias to forbid the establishment of equity at any and all points beyond the dimensions of relevant evaluation.